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    Tim
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    What's with my summit and the manOwar on my cranks and hub?
    I know of about six other summits that dont have this on the
    crank set.

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  2. Tim
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    Hub

    Man O War is a trade mark too or so it says.

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  3. Daino149
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    That's interesting, I haven't seen that before. Could it
    have something to do with who you bought it from?

    Daniel

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  4. Rayden
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    I got mine on ebay recently and they say Man O War.

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  5. Tim
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    I got it from ebay back in january from a guy who sold a
    bunch of them.

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  6. John_childs
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    Nathan had a pair of Man O War pedals.

    'Man O War pedal in Nathan's gallery'
    (tinyurl.com2y3t) That link was taken from 'this
    thread' (tinyurl.com388zo)

    I haven't been able to find anything about Man O War bicycle
    products on the web. It seems to be a brand that makes
    copies of existing bicycle parts. Nathan's Man O War pedals
    are a copy of the Wellgo B-37 pedals. The Man O War
    cranks/hub are a copy of the Summit cranks/hub which were a
    copy of the KH cranks/hub.

    My guess is that Man O War is a factory brand for some
    unethical factory in Taiwan or China. They make a batch of
    parts for a customer like Wellgo or KH, then make a few
    extra parts for themselves that they sell under the Man O
    War label. That's just a guess on my part. If they were
    truly a legit company/brand they'd have marketing and you'd
    be able to be able to find their catalog of products by
    doing a Google search or other web search. As it is, I
    cannot find a web page for them and I can barely find any
    info about Man O War parts on the web.

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  7. Johnfoss
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    john_childs said:

    *My guess is that Man O War is a factory brand for some
    unethical factory in Taiwan or China.*


    I wonder if it's actually unethical, or if it's actually
    legal there? Like the KH knockoffs. I remember when Kris
    first found out about it, and wrote on the newsgroup that
    he'd found these counterfeit versions of his unicycles. But
    was it a one-time thing, or are they still making them?

    It may be that it's legal to do more copy-type stuff in
    Taiwan or other manufacturing countries than it might be in
    the West. One should have a very specific contract with any
    company you hire to make parts for you I guess.

    The appearance of those Man O War parts on the Summit
    indicates that unicycling is still in a place where
    components will get changed out at random, and the resellers
    over here probably won't know about the changes until the
    next shipment arrives. This is fine if the change is to
    something equivalent. But what if they change to something
    inferior? Whey should the buyer pay the same price for a
    reduction in product quality? These are things you have to
    think about if you're a unicycle seller...

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  8. Vincelemay
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    It happens exactly like john_childs said:

    They make a batch of parts for a customer like Wellgo or
    KH, then make a few extra parts for themselves that they
    sell under the Man O War label.

    And those things are illegal also in China or Taiwan. The
    problem is that there is so many companies up there who are
    doing this, that the authorities have controling problems.
    It affect a wide range of products, from the Swiss watch to
    the unicycle items. It is all stealing patent rights and
    intellectual properties.

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  9. Tomblackwood
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    john_childs said:

    *The Man O War cranks/hub are a copy of the Summit
    cranks/hub which were a copy of the KH cranks/hub. My
    guess is that Man O War is a factory brand for some
    unethical factory in Taiwan or China. They make a batch of
    parts for a customer like Wellgo or KH, then make a few
    extra parts for themselves that they sell under the Man O
    War label. That's just a guess on my part. *

    I thought that the Summit cranks/hub were identical (i.e.
    not a copy) to the KH cranks/hub. It was just the frame
    that was different (rejected by KH, but they built a
    bunch anyway).

    I believe that your guess above is truth. Those are the same
    KH cranks, from the same factory that makes them for KH,
    with a different brand thrown on them. Intellectual Property
    is not a concept that's deeply ingrained in some of those
    places. To John Foss's comment, he's right in that it may
    actually be legal in some places, although I'm not sure
    legality equals ethical. Working in the software industry,
    the unauthorized knock-offs are almost instant, and the
    offending country's government is often the largest customer
    (if not the manufacturer) for the copied goods. Big
    corporations can try to work with those governments to
    educate on why unauthorized copying isn't good. A small
    concern like KH doesn't have a lot of leverage there.

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