making weight

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Here are links to a few sites that show calorie burning estimates

that

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I found rather quickly doing a google search:

http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calories_burned.htm
http://www.primusweb.com/cgi-bin/fpc/actcalc.pl
http://www.countcarbs.com/tools/calories_burned.htm
http://www.fitresource.com/Fitness/CalBurn.htm
http://www.am-i-fat.com/calorie_calculator.html

NONE of these show a 169 pounder walker 3.5 mph for 25 miles to

burn

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even 2500 calories let alone 4600. The person above's "normal"

calorie

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intake of 1100 sounds quite suspect as well.

Found it

http://www.bodyfatguide.com/PoundADay.htm (direct article link)
all articles http://www.bodyfatguide.com/TheBodyFatReview.html

Just where I found the info. Don't shoot the messenger 🙂

No problem. The main problem with the initial thesis is that this guy
has caloric intakes of 1161 and 1147 per day. No way this can be
normal especially when his base is 2158.

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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:54:40 -0500, "Nicholas D" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Bully wrote:
> John Hanson wrote:
>>Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight.
> How so?

Diuretic effect---assuming the coffee isn't decaff.

--
Rob

Or make sure there are no additives such as milk sugar or other
flavorings.
Black coffee also is a bronchodilator BTW.

Is there any other kind of coffee than black?
:-)

Yes add milk or any type of creamer you will see it change color. 🙂

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Robert Low said:

Bully said:

John Hanson wrote:
> Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight. How so?

Diuretic effect---assuming the coffee isn't decaff.

Doesn't the water in the coffee counteract this?

Somewhat, but when you are dehydrating it is nice just to get something in you.

The last 5-6 hours before weigh-in all liquid is off limits. You keep a
scale and basically do what you have to do. I've done the 'boil' - into
the tub as hot as you can stand it and then keep putting in boiling hot
water. You keep it as hot as possible. My experience is 2-3 lbs in the
first 20 minutes and about a 1 lb every 20 minutes after that.

OTOH, I weigh 220 lbs.

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Bully"

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Robert Low said:

Bully wrote:
> John Hanson wrote:
>> Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight. How so?

Diuretic effect---assuming the coffee isn't decaff.

Doesn't the water in the coffee counteract this?

Somewhat, but when you are dehydrating it is nice just to get something in
you.

The last 5-6 hours before weigh-in all liquid is off limits. You keep a
scale and basically do what you have to do. I've done the 'boil' - into
the tub as hot as you can stand it and then keep putting in boiling hot
water. You keep it as hot as possible. My experience is 2-3 lbs in the
first 20 minutes and about a 1 lb every 20 minutes after that.

OTOH, I weigh 220 lbs.

The "boil"??

There is a visual for monday norning breakfast.

A bright red Hobman, from head to toe!

The Horror, The Horror!!

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Do some roadwork fatso. 16% Bodyfat and you call yourself an athlete?
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I have 2 weeks and 1 day to lose 9 pounds for a mma competition. I'm
about 16 % body fat. What shall i do. And please some good advice, not
just eat less and move more. Thanks in advance. I need to make 77 kg
if i miss it i'll be fighting 84 kg. big differance.

well dring in the morning grapefruit juce one glass becouse will
clean your stomach after3 hour dring carrot juce and mix juse where is
full of vegetable vitamin and dont et enything where is fet much sport
in the evning only BIOTA tee and before you go to sleep good sex and
after two week you will look
like healthy VIKING but not alcohol no beer and no somking

be well................................

"Anna" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"Paul" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I have 2 weeks and 1 day to lose 9 pounds for a mma competition. I'm
about 16 % body fat. What shall i do. And please some good advice, not
just eat less and move more. Thanks in advance. I need to make 77 kg
if i miss it i'll be fighting 84 kg. big differance.

well dring in the morning grapefruit juce one glass becouse will
clean your stomach after3 hour dring carrot juce and mix juse where is
full of vegetable vitamin and dont et enything where is fet much sport
in the evning only BIOTA tee and before you go to sleep good sex and
after two week you will look
like healthy VIKING but not alcohol no beer and no somking

Even if this was in English, it would be wrong.

Except the "good sex" part, of course.

David

Dnia 2005-02-26 The Sanity Cruzer napisa³(a):

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IMO, you're probably not in that great of condition for MMA and you'd better
hope your opponent is not 8% bodyfat, and he's cutting 9 lbs of water from
his system the day before the bout to make weight. If that's the case,
he'll have almost 10% more muscle than you, which translates to about 14 lbs
of muscle against 14 lbs. of fat.

If it was so simple, there would be no need for an actual fight. Just
measure guys up and give a victory to the fittest one 😉.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R
Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience
usually comes from bad judgment.

Robert Low said:

Bully said:

Robert Low said:

Bully wrote:
> John Hanson wrote:
>> Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight.
> How so?
Diuretic effect---assuming the coffee isn't decaff.

Doesn't the water in the coffee counteract this?

Are you taking the [censored]?

No.

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If not, the coffee will.
The point is, the caffeine makes you pee more than
the amount of coffee you drank.

Do you actually have any proof of this?

--
Bully
Protein bars -- http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

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Robert Low said:

Bully said:

Robert Low wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> John Hanson wrote:
>>> Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight.
>> How so?
> Diuretic effect---assuming the coffee isn't decaff.
Doesn't the water in the coffee counteract this?

Are you taking the [censored]?

No.

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If not, the coffee will.
The point is, the caffeine makes you pee more than
the amount of coffee you drank.

Do you actually have any proof of this?

Dunno if he has proof. My experience has been to drink the coffee and you
generally continue dehydrating even though you are taking fluid in.

I still quit drinking coffee about 8-12 hours before weighin.

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(Hobbes) said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Bully"

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Robert Low said:

Bully wrote:
> Robert Low wrote:
>> Bully wrote:
>>> John Hanson wrote:
>>>> Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight.
>>> How so?
>> Diuretic effect---assuming the coffee isn't decaff.
> Doesn't the water in the coffee counteract this?

Are you taking the [censored]?

No.

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If not, the coffee will.
The point is, the caffeine makes you pee more than
the amount of coffee you drank.

Do you actually have any proof of this?

Dunno if he has proof. My experience has been to drink the coffee and you
generally continue dehydrating even though you are taking fluid in.

I still quit drinking coffee about 8-12 hours before weighin.

It may be true if you don't generally drink coffee.

But if you drink it chronically, like many people do, you'll reach a
steady state of hydration. That level may be a bit lower than
non-coffee drinkers, but if a person were to get 100% of their fluid
intake from coffee, I very much doubt they'd die of dehydration.
They'd just be a little less hydrated than the average person.

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Proton Soup

"Thanks for noticing that I didn't actually say anything." - Mike Lane

The benefits of coffee for weight loss: short term, it is a light diuretic,
meaning it'll make you urinate. That is also because of the major
weight-loss benefit: it'll curb your metabolism, meaning it'll up your heart
rate, and that means your body burns more calories. Hence some weight loss.
That's why every weight loss pill has caffeine in it. But those effects will
be very mild in only 9 days.

....pablo

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:01:36 -0600, [email hidden]

(Hobbes) said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "pablo"

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The benefits of coffee for weight loss: short term, it is a light diuretic,
meaning it'll make you urinate. That is also because of the major
weight-loss benefit: it'll curb your metabolism, meaning it'll up your heart
rate, and that means your body burns more calories. Hence some weight loss.
That's why every weight loss pill has caffeine in it. But those effects will
be very mild in only 9 days.

I'll tell you one thing - I hate making weight by using diuretics. Sleep
becomes a huge issue. I much prefer getting within a couple of kgs of
weight and then sweating it off with a sauna or tub just prior to weighin.

I've always been rather against those that are in sports that have
weight divisions, such as boxers and jockeys, feverishly attempting to
gain advantage by competing one division below optimum.

I know there is advantage to being at the top end of the weight
division, but it occurs to me that it would be much better to compete
at a weight level that is 'comfortably' achieved, and a reliably
accurate arbiter of the division in which the competitor 'should' be
competing.

I always comfortably made middleweight when I was boxing, and met some
very cumbersome opponents who should quite clearly have been in the
division above.

I have often thought that competitors should 'weigh in' immediately
before a bout, and stop all the 'cheating', for have no doubt, that is
in fact what it is!!

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The solution? Simple. As you suggest - weigh in just prior to the bout.
Especially in high school sports it is ludicrous not following this
advice. It is no big deal to have a scale sitting ringside and make them
weigh in.

Regarding boxing, they moved the weigh-ins to the day prior to the bouts
specifically so the fighters would have the opportunity to rehydrated
themselves. Fighters are going to 'dry out', regardless of when they
weigh-in relative to their bouts. Athletic commissions in boxing decided it
was safer, if fighters are going to 'dry out' regardless of the weigh-in
time, the safest thing to was to give the fighters ample time to replace the
liquids in their body.

Yeah, this is the unfortunate thing with these sports. Old-line coaches
refuse to stop dangerous practises. If they dropped too much weight and
weighed in just prior to bouts their performance would be jeopardized.

But dropping weight is an integral part of the game to some coaches. If
you don't drop weight you are a wussy and often the measure of how tough
you are is how much you can take in weight loss. High school wrestlers die
from trying to make weight. What does it take to give theses coaches a
clue?

I would still do it and then have an official disqualify the wrestler if
their are obvious signs of dehydration. In Canada a high school wrestling
coach faces permanent ban if he suggests a wrestler use a sauna or
similiar method to make weight. But of course the word gets out to
wrestlers.

My son was asked to drop a pile of weight for nationals last year - just
so they could spread the club wrestlers through a couple of weight
classes. It was obscene. At the last practice prior to weighin he was so
out of it that he bandages the wrong hand. He had dislocated his finger on
his left hand and it was at least twice the size of the finger on the
right hand. He had taken to taping it to another finger. He taped the
wrong hand. He was almost incoherent (apparently - I wasn't there) and his
lips looked like [censored].

His marks dropped that semester at school, mainly due to missed
assignments during the three weeks he spent dropping 12 kgs of weight. I
basically told him never again - I don't care what the coaches ask you to
do. I tried dropping 6-7 kgs in 24 hours for weightlifting nationals just
to get a feel for what it does. By the end, as I was boiling in the tub, I
couldn't even read my short-term memory was so screwed up. And I'm a
voracious reader.

The studies are there. I don't think athletic commissions have any right
to condone dangerous practises. The idea is to get excessive dehyrdration
out of sport. Do what it takes. Don't condone it.

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I'll tell you one thing - I hate making weight by using diuretics. Sleep
becomes a huge issue. ...

Moreover, that's how even bodybuilders have died. Diuretics are very bad
news, they can push your body into a place where the chemistry goes berserk,
and it's not a pretty way to go.

As an amateur, I fought at 178 even though my walk around weight was in the
190s (and we're talking single digit bodyfat), and it was always a very
draining experience. I hated it, and I never felt physically great. It is
rather telling when you notice that your usual workout utterly exhausts you
halfway through it. That's why I think the whole thing about fighting under
weight is a questionable advantage - it'll work until it doesn't, and the
fight in which it'll catch up to you is pre-programmed. For every HBO
announcer oohing and aahing about someone putting on 10lbs before a fight,
there's a boxer who after the fight claims he lost because he can't make the
weight anymore and that he's stepping up to the next division.

....pablo

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On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:01:36 -0600, [email hidden]

(Hobbes) said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "pablo"

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The benefits of coffee for weight loss: short term, it is a light
diuretic,
meaning it'll make you urinate. That is also because of the major
weight-loss benefit: it'll curb your metabolism, meaning it'll up your
heart
rate, and that means your body burns more calories. Hence some weight
loss.
That's why every weight loss pill has caffeine in it. But those effects
will
be very mild in only 9 days.

I'll tell you one thing - I hate making weight by using diuretics. Sleep
becomes a huge issue. I much prefer getting within a couple of kgs of
weight and then sweating it off with a sauna or tub just prior to weighin.

I've always been rather against those that are in sports that have
weight divisions, such as boxers and jockeys, feverishly attempting to
gain advantage by competing one division below optimum.

I know there is advantage to being at the top end of the weight
division, but it occurs to me that it would be much better to compete
at a weight level that is 'comfortably' achieved, and a reliably
accurate arbiter of the division in which the competitor 'should' be
competing.

I always comfortably made middleweight when I was boxing, and met some
very cumbersome opponents who should quite clearly have been in the
division above.

I have often thought that competitors should 'weigh in' immediately
before a bout, and stop all the 'cheating', for have no doubt, that is
in fact what it is!!

In lightweight rowing the earliest weigh in time is 2 hours before the race.
If you have more than one race on a day, you need only weigh in once
(possibly this changes if the races are separated by several hours, but
normally that doesn't happen). If you are in a multiple-day event (e.g. a
serious regatta) then you must make weight 2 hours before the race, every
day you compete.

I suppose you could require people to weigh in immediately before the event
(for rowing this would be a pain as you want to be on the water warming up
40 minutes or so ahead of time, but that's not the case for most sports),
but the problem here is when someone is maybe 100g over the limit - do you
simply disqualify them immediately or do you let them have 10 minutes to
sweat it off, but screw up the schedule?

I certainly agree that sports where the weigh in is many hours before or
where there is only one weigh in in a multi-day competition are being silly.

However I don't think it's cheating to follow the rules. Stand up and say
the rules should be changed, fine, but labelling everyone who doesn't
comfortably make weight a cheat won't help your cause. In any case, it's not
as if having weigh ins close to the race (or fight, or whatever) really
changes things that much. People will still scrape just inside the limits,
just they won't be able to get away with half-killing themselves
dehydrating. Top lightweight rowers will often weigh 75kg or more a week
before the race, weigh in at 70kg, and probably weigh 71-72kg by the time
they're actually racing.

Peter

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(Hobbes) said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Charles

Quoted message said:

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:01:36 -0600, [email hidden]

(Hobbes) said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "pablo"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> The benefits of coffee for weight loss: short term, it is a light

diuretic,

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> meaning it'll make you urinate. That is also because of the major
> weight-loss benefit: it'll curb your metabolism, meaning it'll up

your heart

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> rate, and that means your body burns more calories. Hence some weight

loss.

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> That's why every weight loss pill has caffeine in it. But those

effects will

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> be very mild in only 9 days.

I'll tell you one thing - I hate making weight by using diuretics. Sleep
becomes a huge issue. I much prefer getting within a couple of kgs of
weight and then sweating it off with a sauna or tub just prior to weighin.

I've always been rather against those that are in sports that have
weight divisions, such as boxers and jockeys, feverishly attempting to
gain advantage by competing one division below optimum.

I know there is advantage to being at the top end of the weight
division, but it occurs to me that it would be much better to compete
at a weight level that is 'comfortably' achieved, and a reliably
accurate arbiter of the division in which the competitor 'should' be
competing.

I always comfortably made middleweight when I was boxing, and met some
very cumbersome opponents who should quite clearly have been in the
division above.

I have often thought that competitors should 'weigh in' immediately
before a bout, and stop all the 'cheating', for have no doubt, that is
in fact what it is!!

No, I don't agree with the term 'cheating'. Weightlifting is weighed in
within 2 hours of competition. If you drop too much, you pay a price in
performance. OTOH, dropping a couple of kilos is easy, comfortable and
doesn't affect performance.

Wrestling is where the problem lies. In a three or four day tournament you
can weight in 8-10 kgs under what you wrestle at the last day of the
tournament. If one wrestler goes that route the rest of the field are
pretty much forced to do so to be competitive. It is not cheating to
follow the rules of the game and level the playing field.

You simply cannot give up 8-10 kgs at international level and wrestle
effectively in most weight classes. It can't be done.

The solution? Simple. As you suggest - weigh in just prior to the bout.
Especially in high school sports it is ludicrous not following this
advice. It is no big deal to have a scale sitting ringside and make them
weigh in.

If it's good for one it's good for them all, but I think we basically
agree!! ;o)

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(for rowing this would be a pain as you want to be on the water warming up
40 minutes or so ahead of time, but that's not the case for most sports),
but the problem here is when someone is maybe 100g over the limit - do you
simply disqualify them immediately or do you let them have 10 minutes to
sweat it off, but screw up the schedule?

Could you have small penalties for small overages, and some cutoff
not far above the real limit that would be disqualification?

-- Dan

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GroupLens Research Lab, Univ of MN (http://movielens.umn.edu/ * 612.624.8372)
*** Just a foot soldier in the Army of Truth ***

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>>>>>Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight.
>>>>
>>>>How so?
>>>
>>>Diuretic effect---assuming the coffee isn't decaff.

Plus it's the caffeine in your ephedrine/caffeine stack.

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But if you drink it chronically, like many people do, you'll reach a
steady state of hydration. That level may be a bit lower than
non-coffee drinkers, but if a person were to get 100% of their fluid
intake from coffee, I very much doubt they'd die of dehydration.

Not dead yet. ;-)

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They'd just be a little less hydrated than the average person.

Starbuck's baristas in flyover towns flinch a little the first time they
hear 'venti espresso, please'.

This is great. This post is even more illegible that the last -
'viking' was the only word i understood from this one. I hope she posts
again.

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This is great. This post is even more illegible that the last -
'viking' was the only word i understood from this one. I hope she posts
again.

I was [censored] half way through the post. It started to hurt my head.
She's a tard.