making weight

Cut out carbohydrates from you're diet, you don't need to reduce
the amount of food you eat and you can even eat fatty or high calorie
foods and you will still lose weight.
I don't recommend staying on this diet long term as it can damage
you're liver and side effect is really bad breath and stomach cramps.
You can lose about 2-3 kilos a weeks this way, but it's not easy
because so many of our foods are high in carbohydrates so you need to
plan ahead of time what you will have for meals and snacks.
Mainly in you avoid bread, rice and pasta.

s.

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I have 2 weeks and 1 day to lose 9 pounds for a mma competition. I'm
about 16 % body fat. What shall i do. And please some good advice, not
just eat less and move more. Thanks in advance. I need to make 77 kg
if i miss it i'll be fighting 84 kg. big differance.

You need to eat less carbohydrates, just like competitive bodybuilders do
before a contest.

Or try this easy to remember method:
Breakfast - eat a large whatever-you-want balanced meal. Cereal, Fruit, Eggs,
Bacon, Toast etc.
Lunch - Chicken breast (no skin) or Tuna, plus green salad (vinegar
dressing).
Dinner - same as lunch.
Drinks - Tea, Coffee, Diet sodas, Water (no milk or juices or sugar sodas)
No snacks.

The theory of the large breakfast is that it fuels you for the rest of the
day. Whatever carbs you eat at breakfast will be burnt off by the end of the
day. Carbs eaten later in the day are a problem - especially before going to
bed ( the worst time to eat them).
You might lose some energy later in the day due to lack of carbs - solution,
drink some black coffee.

I hope this helps. It comes from years of experience.

Cheers,

Paul

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> >I have 2 weeks and 1 day to lose 9 pounds for a mma competition. I'm
> > about 16 % body fat. What shall i do. And please some good advice,

not

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> > just eat less and move more. Thanks in advance. I need to make 77

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> > if i miss it i'll be fighting 84 kg. big differance.
>
> Drink less of all fluids. A lot less.
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He has 2 weeks, though. I wouldn't play the dehydration card card

quite

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yet.

True, and it's only 9 pounds.

Russians did a bunch of studies. 2-3% can be dropped with no loss of
performance. But if you start to diet down plus dehydrate you lose
performance.

I'd just drop it in the last 24 hours before weigh-in. Any of the guys in
MMA who used to wrestle can tell you a dozen ways to drop 2 kgs quick.

BTW - I found it a whole pile easier just to sweat it off than do the
coffee and steak thing. Also based on the Russian stuff which said as
quick as you can as close as you can to weigh-in.

That's effective and doesn't seem to hurt performance - but I do remember a
couple bouts of wicked leg cramps when going that route. In retrospect,
maybe some Na or K (can't remember which) might've alleviated that.

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Dehydrate and rehydrate. As long as you have 12 hours or more 2 kgs should
be no problem.

9lbs isn't 2kg. Try 4+. If someone's never done it before, I'd strongly
advise against sweating it off *and* walking into a fight right away. This
is how ring accidents happen. When pro boxers do similar stuff, it is based
on many years of experience, and even then they muck it up with regularity.
Do not play around with this stuff walking into competitive matchups - no
one enjoys being witness to major brain trauma. This is *not* a sweat it off
before a bodybuilding competitive to look a tad more cut thing - this is
about a guy who is going to stand in front of another guy who'll try to take
his head off. Experience is a must with rapid weight loss *and* fighting.
You must learn step by step how much you can get away with. To start the
experiment at 9lbs seems risky to me.

As to those who claim you cna lose more than 2lbs of fat by combining high
weights, low calories and high proteins - try it. Then walk into a ring to
top it off. From a long and venerable history of getting cut going into the
summer, I know anything over 2lbs is way too agressive. It won't last. 9lbs
of fat in less than 2 weeks? I'd rate it as impossible. And I wouldn't be
the only one. I am not saying you can't lose 9lbs in 10 days - you can lose
more than that. But most of it will be fluids. And whether one can get into
a ring or not depends on one's individual consitution. Some can, many won't.

....pablo

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Dehydrate and rehydrate. As long as you have 12 hours or more 2 kgs
should
be no problem.

9lbs isn't 2kg. Try 4+. If someone's never done it before, I'd strongly
advise against sweating it off *and* walking into a fight right away. This
is how ring accidents happen.

Pablo, while I highly respect your knowledge and your experience, I do
disagree in this instance. You see, this boy is 16% bodyfat. It is not as
if he were 6% bodyfat and then drying himself out to being near a point of
danger. Even if he didn't have time to rehydrate, the worst off he'd be is
tired. Sure, that would (could) cost him the bout, but it's not the same as
some of these lean guys who when they cut weight drastically and reduce the
fluid around their brains.

You were likely never at 16% bodyfat shortly before a bout so your
experiences of making weight were likely far different than will somebody in
his condition. Rather than concern myself with his weight loss, I'd look at
what type of condition a 179 lb. fighter is in when his bodyfat is 16%.
When he's sucking wind after a couple of minutes of intensity, he will blame
it on the weight loss, when it's probably got more to do with a lack of
conditioning. That's just my opinion.

Paul said:

I have 2 weeks and 1 day to lose 9 pounds for a mma competition. I'm
about 16 % body fat. What shall i do.

Forget it.

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And please some good advice, not
just eat less and move more. Thanks in advance. I need to make 77 kg
if i miss it i'll be fighting 84 kg. big differance.

--
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I have 2 weeks and 1 day to lose 9 pounds for a mma competition. I'm
about 16 % body fat. What shall i do. And please some good advice,
not just eat less and move more. Thanks in advance. I need to make
77 kg if i miss it i'll be fighting 84 kg. big differance.

Drink less of all fluids. A lot less.

Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight.

How so?

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Bully said:

John Hanson said:

Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight.

How so?

Diuretic effect---assuming the coffee isn't decaff.

--
Rob

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Dehydrate and rehydrate. As long as you have 12 hours or more 2 kgs should
be no problem.

9lbs isn't 2kg. Try 4+. If someone's never done it before, I'd strongly
advise against sweating it off *and* walking into a fight right away.

Oops. Dayum, get out my calculator.

Yeah, 4 kgs is a little high. I'd change my advice. But as a MMA he'd
better get used to making weight. That is part of the game. And weigh-in
is normally the day before the fight. So there is some time to rehydrate.

At 4 kgs I'd try and drop two or at least 1.5 this week with low-carb and
low-calorie. I'd eat like this for 3-4 days, eat carbs for a few days and
then do the sweat thing.

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Keith

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Bully said:

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Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight.

How so?

Diuretic effect---assuming the coffee isn't decaff.

--
Rob

Or make sure there are no additives such as milk sugar or other flavorings.
Black coffee also is a bronchodilator BTW.

-Nick

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... 16% bodyfat. It is not as if he were 6% bodyfat and then drying
himself out to being near a point of danger ...

In fighting disciplines, you come across people with a variety of
constitutions. While I do believe that at the end of the day pretty much
everybody can end up looking cut, some people truly have constitutions where
it is a torture to get there. And some people have metabolisms that even at
higher levels of bodyfat perform as if they were very cut, i.e. the body
will go elsewhere for resources. Fat tissue is actually only about 10%
water, so I am not sure it plays a great contribution to the dehydration
game.

In competitive bodybuilding, needless to say, you'll only encounter people
with more "gifted" metabolisms. But from watching boxing over the yers, we
have also seen very good boxers who never managed to look cut, yet didn't
seem to ever have conditioning problems, making one assume they did subject
themselves to rigurous training and that the difference was their
constitution.

To me, the important thing is that the original poster is aware that he's
playing a potentially dangeorus game here. At the end of the day, it is up
to him to assess the risks.

....pablo

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... 16% bodyfat. It is not as if he were 6% bodyfat and then drying
himself out to being near a point of danger ...

In fighting disciplines, you come across people with a variety of
constitutions. While I do believe that at the end of the day pretty much
everybody can end up looking cut, some people truly have constitutions
where it is a torture to get there.

You're preaching to the choir on this one. 8-) Tony Ayala looked like a
butterball when he was young. And that kid from Texas (Diaz, which "Diaz" I
don't know . . .Juan?) who turned professional at 17 never does and never
will look 'cut'.

And some people have metabolisms that even at

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higher levels of bodyfat perform as if they were very cut, i.e. the body
will go elsewhere for resources. Fat tissue is actually only about 10%
water, so I am not sure it plays a great contribution to the dehydration
game.

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To me, the important thing is that the original poster is aware that he's
playing a potentially dangerous game here. At the end of the day, it is up
to him to assess the risks.

I don't think that 9 lbs. of liquids is that much if he takes it out of his
body and puts it back in soon thereafter. It would, IMO, be more
problematic if he took it out and kept it out for a week. Then he'd be
weak. Heck, I'm sure you've had workout where you've sweated out 5 lbs. of
liquids through hard work. Sitting on your ass in a sauna for a few hours
(or less?), weighing in and having 30+ (my assumption) hours to rehydrate
and rest will not drain him as much as cutting calories and liquids for over
a week while maintaining a workout regimen.

Unfortunately, dehydration and carb restriction methods will both
negatively affect your performance. You may need to resort to them this
time (although i still dont think you'll make the weight), but next
time you compete try and stay close to your competition weight as much
as you can. After the comp., restrict your calories (no more than 500
otherwise you are likely to eat into lean mass)to get your weight down,
whislt keepin about 65-70% of those cals from carbs, 30% from protein,
and the rest from healthy oils / fats. This calls for some basic
research and time into how to set up your diet - any basic sports
nutrition book (such as Anita Bean's) will do it. Once at a weight
close to your comp. weight, keep your diet clean and stick to it.
Keeping the carb intake of your diet high will be a key factor in
maintaining endurance and power (carbs are the most immediate stored
fuel source for the body (other than ATP / Creatine)), and will not lay
down additional fat if you train hard enough.

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Bully said:

John Hanson wrote:
>Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight.
How so?

Diuretic effect---assuming the coffee isn't decaff.

--
Rob

Or make sure there are no additives such as milk sugar or other flavorings.
Black coffee also is a bronchodilator BTW.

Is there any other kind of coffee than black?
:-)

Robert Low said:

Bully said:

John Hanson said:

Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight. How so?

Diuretic effect---assuming the coffee isn't decaff.

Doesn't the water in the coffee counteract this?

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Bully said:

Robert Low said:

Bully said:

John Hanson wrote:
>Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight.
How so?

Diuretic effect---assuming the coffee isn't decaff.

Doesn't the water in the coffee counteract this?

Are you taking the [censored]? If not, the coffee will.
The point is, the caffeine makes you pee more than
the amount of coffee you drank.

--
Rob

(Paul) said:

I have 2 weeks and 1 day to lose 9 pounds for a mma competition. I'm
about 16 % body fat. What shall i do. And please some good advice, not
just eat less and move more. Thanks in advance. I need to make 77 kg
if i miss it i'll be fighting 84 kg. big differance.

Frequent masturbation is a big help to drop weight.

Robert Low said:

Bully said:

Robert Low said:

Bully wrote:
>John Hanson wrote:
>>Actually, drinking coffee will help a person drop weight.
> How so?
Diuretic effect---assuming the coffee isn't decaff.

Doesn't the water in the coffee counteract this?

Are you taking the [censored]? If not, the coffee will.
The point is, the caffeine makes you pee more than
the amount of coffee you drank.

I don't think this is the case. I read several articles a while ago
which de-bunked this myth. Can't find them right now, but here's one
of the first things Google threw up:

http://www.ific.org/foodinsight/2002/ja/caffdehydnbfi402.cfm

Ellis

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Is there any other kind of coffee than black?

Dandelion Root would be one !

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Here are links to a few sites that show calorie burning estimates

that

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I found rather quickly doing a google search:

http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calories_burned.htm
http://www.primusweb.com/cgi-bin/fpc/actcalc.pl
http://www.countcarbs.com/tools/calories_burned.htm
http://www.fitresource.com/Fitness/CalBurn.htm
http://www.am-i-fat.com/calorie_calculator.html

NONE of these show a 169 pounder walker 3.5 mph for 25 miles to burn
even 2500 calories let alone 4600. The person above's "normal"

calorie

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intake of 1100 sounds quite suspect as well.

Found it

http://www.bodyfatguide.com/PoundADay.htm (direct article link)
all articles http://www.bodyfatguide.com/TheBodyFatReview.html

Just where I found the info. Don't shoot the messenger 🙂

Eric