Magnisium from Solgar?

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Quoted message said:

Hi all,

I bought a bottle of magnisium + B6 from Solgar, and I just found out
that it do contain also Dibasique calcium phosphate. My questions are:

Why do they add Dibasique calcium phosphate?, and also, by taking this
magnesium formula, does it mean I'm supplementing also with Calcium?

Should I go for this product, know that I don't want to supplement with
any calcium.

See below the dosage:

Vitamin B-6 (pyridoxine HCI) 25 mg
Magnesium (as oxide) 400 mg
Dibasique calcium phosphate 1009 mg

Thanks

If you don't take calcium and phosphorous when you take magnesium, the
magnesium won't do you much good... I know from personal experience
since I have chronic hypo-magnesemia that I have to keep up with.

A balanced cal/mag/phos supplement is MUCH better and will give you
higher serum levels of magnesium than taking mag by itself.

HTH?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Thanks for your reply.
My concern was most with the calcium, because I don't have any calcium
defeciency, and also I do supplement with Zinc, and it seems that
calcium leaches out zinc.

So is this "Dibasic calcium phosphate" different from a usual form of
calcium?

OmManiPadmeOmelet:

Quoted message said:

If you don't take calcium and phosphorous when you take magnesium, the
magnesium won't do you much good... I know from personal experience
since I have chronic hypo-magnesemia that I have to keep up with.

A balanced cal/mag/phos supplement is MUCH better and will give you
higher serum levels of magnesium than taking mag by itself.

HTH?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Thanks for your reply.
My concern was most with the calcium, because I don't have any calcium
defeciency, and also I do supplement with Zinc, and it seems that
calcium leaches out zinc.

And excess zinc will screw up your copper levels.
Zinc, like other trace minerals, is best taken in a mixed trace mineral
supplement or, again, in a macro-mineral combo.

The macro mineral I take is "Now" brand and is well balanced, and
inexpensive. And it keeps my serum levels of Magnesium in normal range
where they belong within 90 minutes of taking a double dose.

Balance balance balance...
Don't worry, if you take calcium and are not deficient, you are not
going to overdose. ;-) You'll just excrete it.

Quoted message said:

So is this "Dibasic calcium phosphate" different from a usual form of
calcium?

I honestly don't know that much about it.
I think it'd be best to "google" for exactly what that means!

Solgar, tho', happens to be a brand I trust.
I take their VM-75 multi since it's high in B-complex.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

You just contradicted yourself about calcium intake.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Thanks for your reply.
My concern was most with the calcium, because I don't have any calcium
defeciency, and also I do supplement with Zinc, and it seems that
calcium leaches out zinc.

And excess zinc will screw up your copper levels.
Zinc, like other trace minerals, is best taken in a mixed trace mineral
supplement or, again, in a macro-mineral combo.

The macro mineral I take is "Now" brand and is well balanced, and
inexpensive. And it keeps my serum levels of Magnesium in normal range
where they belong within 90 minutes of taking a double dose.

Balance balance balance...
Don't worry, if you take calcium and are not deficient, you are not
going to overdose. ;-) You'll just excrete it.

Quoted message said:

So is this "Dibasic calcium phosphate" different from a usual form of
calcium?

I honestly don't know that much about it.
I think it'd be best to "google" for exactly what that means!

Solgar, tho', happens to be a brand I trust.
I take their VM-75 multi since it's high in B-complex.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack

Nicholson

In article <1119067871.d702ca3c6176e85a5de89724727c525e@teranews>,

Pizza Girl said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Thanks for your reply.
My concern was most with the calcium, because I don't have any calcium
defeciency, and also I do supplement with Zinc, and it seems that
calcium leaches out zinc.

And excess zinc will screw up your copper levels.
Zinc, like other trace minerals, is best taken in a mixed trace mineral
supplement or, again, in a macro-mineral combo.

The macro mineral I take is "Now" brand and is well balanced, and
inexpensive. And it keeps my serum levels of Magnesium in normal range
where they belong within 90 minutes of taking a double dose.

Balance balance balance...
Don't worry, if you take calcium and are not deficient, you are not
going to overdose. ;-) You'll just excrete it.

Quoted message said:

So is this "Dibasic calcium phosphate" different from a usual form of
calcium?

I honestly don't know that much about it.
I think it'd be best to "google" for exactly what that means!

Solgar, tho', happens to be a brand I trust.
I take their VM-75 multi since it's high in B-complex.

You just contradicted yourself about calcium intake.

I don't think so. :-)

All I said is that EXCESS calcium will be excreted.

I just had a similar discussion with my endocrinologist this morning.
We were trying to figure out how to get my magnesium levels to stay more
in normal range, (I still have trouble really keeping them up sometimes
and that is hard on my heart) and she was concerned about excess calcium
causing kidney stones.

Most excess calcium is excreted in stool, but some goes thru the
kidneys. I make sure I drink at least 1/2 gallon of water per day to
keep my urine dilute, so I'm not that worried about stones.

She is going to consult Dr. Cohen for me as I don't see him anymore. He
no longer works in our ER, but evidently she is in contact with him.

It still takes a balanced mineral ratio to absorb more of any one
mineral and I've experimented with mine. My mag level is normal 90
minutes after consuming a cal/mag/phos supplement.

If I take just straight mag, 90 minutes later I have diarrhea instead
and my mag levels are still low.

The problem is, I have a genetic renal tubule defect and excrete
magnesium at an accellerated rate so the mag levels drop faster than
normal. I don't have time to swallow pills all day long and the side
effects of excess mag intake are well known.

It's been a real PITA! :-P

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

You still contradict yourself. In one sentence you talk about balance being
so importent then your talk about one sided supplementation of calcium the
killer

Wat are these so-called, effects of too much magnesium supplementation. Most
people can never get enough magnesium to balance all the bad calcium intake
they have. Just look at the osteoporosis cases we have these days despite
all the calcium hype. Nutritionalists are left with their jaws hanging open
wondering why calcium gets all the hype and never was a problem.

Here, have another antiacid. It's good for you because it has "calcium"

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Quoted message said:

In article <1119067871.d702ca3c6176e85a5de89724727c525e@teranews>,

Pizza Girl said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] wrote:

> Thanks for your reply.
> My concern was most with the calcium, because I don't have any

calcium

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> defeciency, and also I do supplement with Zinc, and it seems that
> calcium leaches out zinc.

And excess zinc will screw up your copper levels.
Zinc, like other trace minerals, is best taken in a mixed trace

mineral

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

supplement or, again, in a macro-mineral combo.

The macro mineral I take is "Now" brand and is well balanced, and
inexpensive. And it keeps my serum levels of Magnesium in normal range
where they belong within 90 minutes of taking a double dose.

Balance balance balance...
Don't worry, if you take calcium and are not deficient, you are not
going to overdose. ;-) You'll just excrete it.

>
> So is this "Dibasic calcium phosphate" different from a usual form

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> calcium?

I honestly don't know that much about it.
I think it'd be best to "google" for exactly what that means!

Solgar, tho', happens to be a brand I trust.
I take their VM-75 multi since it's high in B-complex.

You just contradicted yourself about calcium intake.

I don't think so. :-)

All I said is that EXCESS calcium will be excreted.

I just had a similar discussion with my endocrinologist this morning.
We were trying to figure out how to get my magnesium levels to stay more
in normal range, (I still have trouble really keeping them up sometimes
and that is hard on my heart) and she was concerned about excess calcium
causing kidney stones.

Most excess calcium is excreted in stool, but some goes thru the
kidneys. I make sure I drink at least 1/2 gallon of water per day to
keep my urine dilute, so I'm not that worried about stones.

She is going to consult Dr. Cohen for me as I don't see him anymore. He
no longer works in our ER, but evidently she is in contact with him.

It still takes a balanced mineral ratio to absorb more of any one
mineral and I've experimented with mine. My mag level is normal 90
minutes after consuming a cal/mag/phos supplement.

If I take just straight mag, 90 minutes later I have diarrhea instead
and my mag levels are still low.

The problem is, I have a genetic renal tubule defect and excrete
magnesium at an accellerated rate so the mag levels drop faster than
normal. I don't have time to swallow pills all day long and the side
effects of excess mag intake are well known.

It's been a real PITA! :-P

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack

Nicholson

In article <1119100914.b515a99e348552614746cbc53fa20fe6@teranews>,

Pizza Girl said:

You still contradict yourself. In one sentence you talk about balance being
so importent then your talk about one sided supplementation of calcium the
killer

Wat are these so-called, effects of too much magnesium supplementation. Most
people can never get enough magnesium to balance all the bad calcium intake
they have. Just look at the osteoporosis cases we have these days despite
all the calcium hype. Nutritionalists are left with their jaws hanging open
wondering why calcium gets all the hype and never was a problem.

Here, have another antiacid. It's good for you because it has "calcium"

Excess Magnesium causes Diarrhea... at least in normal people.
You seem to always be the exception.

Congratulations!

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Not always. I just find most people tlak out of the side of their brain.
They talk about heresay continuously and have no experience with any of it.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <1119100914.b515a99e348552614746cbc53fa20fe6@teranews>,

Pizza Girl said:

You still contradict yourself. In one sentence you talk about balance

being

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

so importent then your talk about one sided supplementation of calcium

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

killer

Wat are these so-called, effects of too much magnesium supplementation.

Most

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

people can never get enough magnesium to balance all the bad calcium

intake

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

they have. Just look at the osteoporosis cases we have these days

despite

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

all the calcium hype. Nutritionalists are left with their jaws hanging

open

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wondering why calcium gets all the hype and never was a problem.

Here, have another antiacid. It's good for you because it has "calcium"

Excess Magnesium causes Diarrhea... at least in normal people.
You seem to always be the exception.

Congratulations!

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack

Nicholson

In article <1119110285.e4c6e533e10b9054d8284c2feb9d58dd@teranews>,

Pizza Girl said:

Not always. I just find most people tlak out of the side of their brain.
They talk about heresay continuously and have no experience with any of it.

Uh, if you actually READ my posts, you'd see I was talking from DIRECT
experience! Including actual measured blood levels!

Same goes for calcium BTW....

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

(snipped)

Quoted message said:

I just had a similar discussion with my endocrinologist this morning.
We were trying to figure out how to get my magnesium levels to stay more
in normal range, (I still have trouble really keeping them up sometimes
and that is hard on my heart) and she was concerned about excess calcium
causing kidney stones.

Research on prebiotics contends that fermentable fibers such as inulin
result in better magnesium and calcium absorption.

Frank

How about skin absorbtion? Epsom Salts, I hear, can penetrate the skin
during a bath. I've also heard of taking it rectally for better absorption.
Some Doctors give shots.
RO

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Quoted message said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

(snipped)

Quoted message said:

I just had a similar discussion with my endocrinologist this morning.
We were trying to figure out how to get my magnesium levels to stay more
in normal range, (I still have trouble really keeping them up sometimes
and that is hard on my heart) and she was concerned about excess calcium
causing kidney stones.

Research on prebiotics contends that fermentable fibers such as inulin
result in better magnesium and calcium absorption.

Frank

In article <[email hidden]>,

Jefferson said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

(snipped)

Quoted message said:

I just had a similar discussion with my endocrinologist this morning.
We were trying to figure out how to get my magnesium levels to stay more
in normal range, (I still have trouble really keeping them up sometimes
and that is hard on my heart) and she was concerned about excess calcium
causing kidney stones.

Research on prebiotics contends that fermentable fibers such as inulin
result in better magnesium and calcium absorption.

Frank

Will this affect low carbing?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Quoted message said:

Hi all,

I bought a bottle of magnisium + B6 from Solgar, and I just found out
that it do contain also Dibasique calcium phosphate. My questions are:

Why do they add Dibasique calcium phosphate?,

They think that it makes the product more desireable.

Quoted message said:

and also, by taking this
magnesium formula, does it mean I'm supplementing also with Calcium?

Yes, when you consume this you will be consuming calcium.

Quoted message said:

Should I go for this product, know that I don't want to supplement with
any calcium.

No, get something without calcium if you don't want any of that.

Quoted message said:

Hi all,

I bought a bottle of magnisium + B6 from Solgar, and I just found out
that it do contain also Dibasique calcium phosphate. My questions are:

Why do they add Dibasique calcium phosphate?,

They think that it makes the product more desireable.

Quoted message said:

and also, by taking this
magnesium formula, does it mean I'm supplementing also with Calcium?

Yes, when you consume this you will be consuming calcium.

Quoted message said:

Should I go for this product, know that I don't want to supplement with
any calcium.

No, get something without calcium if you don't want any of that.

SDer wrote:
<SNIP>

Quoted message said:

I haven't followed this thread from the beginning, but Chelated Magnesium
from Solgar is a very good product in my experience.

I have not previously had any reason to doubt them, but the Solgar
product I found on the web "Magnesium with Vitamin B6" has 230mg Ca
from Dicalcium Phosphate (maybe this is 1000mg Dicalcium Phosphate
as the OP stated) in addition to the 400mg Mg and 25mg B6.

It certainly has more Ca than B6, why not name it
"Magnesium with Calcium and B6" in line with its ingredients?

They have a 400 mg Mg from mag-citrate product which might suit the OP.
It also lists Dicalcium Phosphate as an excipient, requires two tabs
for a serving.

citrates aren't cheap per gram. The more poorly absorbed mag oxide
is much cheaper, but cost per absorbed gram should be our interest.
I haven't seen good data to calculate that.

SDer wrote:
<SNIP>

Quoted message said:

I haven't followed this thread from the beginning, but Chelated Magnesium
from Solgar is a very good product in my experience.

I have not previously had any reason to doubt them, but the Solgar
product I found on the web "Magnesium with Vitamin B6" has 230mg Ca
from Dicalcium Phosphate (maybe this is 1000mg Dicalcium Phosphate
as the OP stated) in addition to the 400mg Mg and 25mg B6.

It certainly has more Ca than B6, why not name it
"Magnesium with Calcium and B6" in line with its ingredients?

They have a 400 mg Mg from mag-citrate product which might suit the OP.
It also lists Dicalcium Phosphate as an excipient, requires two tabs
for a serving.

citrates aren't cheap per gram. The more poorly absorbed mag oxide
is much cheaper, but cost per absorbed gram should be our interest.
I haven't seen good data to calculate that.