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  1. I was recently in Altoona PA, and had lunch at a "Texas Hot" place.
    Hot dogs are their game, but a special macaroni dish drove me insane.
    It had hamburger mixed with a tomato sauce. It did not seem like the
    sauce you get from a can, but could have been mixed with catsup plus
    some other spices. It was "baked" in an individual container, and
    topped with melted cheese. It reminded me of my mothers "Hungrian
    goulash." Any suggestions for making a tomato sauce that is not really
    a spagetti sauce. I do not think it was tomato soup. I plan to take a
    can of tomato sauce (8oz), and mix in some catsup to seem if it comes
    close. Thanks for any suggestions. My wife and I visited Altoona, and
    we ate in three "greasy" spoon type places, and we really enjoyed
    ourselves. The food really hit the spot. I could even read my
    newspaper at each place.

    Tom

  2. On Oct 28, 4:00?pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I was recently in Altoona PA, and had lunch at a "Texas Hot" place.
    Hot dogs are their game, but a special macaroni dish drove me insane.
    It had hamburger mixed with a tomato sauce. It did not seem like the
    sauce you get from a can, but could have been mixed with catsup plus
    some other spices. It was "baked" in an individual container, and
    topped with melted cheese. It reminded me of my mothers "Hungrian
    goulash." Any suggestions for making a tomato sauce that is not really
    a spagetti sauce. I do not think it was tomato soup. I plan to take a
    can of tomato sauce (8oz), and mix in some catsup to seem if it comes
    close. Thanks for any suggestions. My wife and I visited Altoona, and
    we ate in three "greasy" spoon type places, and we really enjoyed
    ourselves. The food really hit the spot. I could even read my
    newspaper at each place.

    I've been served tomato sauce at Amish restaurants in PA, usually
    served over roast beef... their menu listed it as tomato gravy. I
    would make an educated guess that it's essentially tomato juice
    thickened with cornstarch.

  3. Quoted message said:

    I was recently in Altoona PA, and had lunch at a "Texas Hot" place.
    Hot dogs are their game, but a special macaroni dish drove me insane.
    It had hamburger mixed with a tomato sauce. It did not seem like the
    sauce you get from a can, but could have been mixed with catsup plus
    some other spices. It was "baked" in an individual container, and
    topped with melted cheese. It reminded me of my mothers "Hungrian
    goulash." Any suggestions for making a tomato sauce that is not really
    a spagetti sauce. I do not think it was tomato soup. I plan to take a
    can of tomato sauce (8oz), and mix in some catsup to seem if it comes
    close. Thanks for any suggestions. My wife and I visited Altoona, and
    we ate in three "greasy" spoon type places, and we really enjoyed
    ourselves. The food really hit the spot. I could even read my
    newspaper at each place.

    Sometimes referred to as Tex Mex Mac and Cheese. There are
    lots of examples on the web. Adding ketchup will give you a
    hint of nutmeg and some vinegar in addition to the tomato.
    Personally I'd leave out the ketchup and use a few types
    of ground chile. Guajillo and maybe Chile de Arbol for
    some heat.

    http://www.therecipebox.com/members/box/pasta/pa0041.htm

    --
    Reg

  4. Sheldon said:

    On Oct 28, 4:00?pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I was recently in Altoona PA, and had lunch at a "Texas Hot" place.
    Hot dogs are their game, but a special macaroni dish drove me insane.
    It had hamburger mixed with a tomato sauce. It did not seem like the
    sauce you get from a can, but could have been mixed with catsup plus
    some other spices. It was "baked" in an individual container, and
    topped with melted cheese. It reminded me of my mothers "Hungrian
    goulash." Any suggestions for making a tomato sauce that is not really
    a spagetti sauce. I do not think it was tomato soup. I plan to take a
    can of tomato sauce (8oz), and mix in some catsup to seem if it comes
    close. Thanks for any suggestions. My wife and I visited Altoona, and
    we ate in three "greasy" spoon type places, and we really enjoyed
    ourselves. The food really hit the spot. I could even read my
    newspaper at each place.

    I've been served tomato sauce at Amish restaurants in PA, usually
    served over roast beef... their menu listed it as tomato gravy. I
    would make an educated guess that it's essentially tomato juice
    thickened with cornstarch.

    It's a Texas dish. Nothing to do with Pennsylvania, and
    it definitely has nothing to do with the Amish. LOL

    --
    Reg

  5. Quoted message said:

    I was recently in Altoona PA, and had lunch at a "Texas Hot" place.
    Hot dogs are their game, but a special macaroni dish drove me insane.

    Should have gone to The Allegro in Altoona. VERY good Italian food.
    Fabulous veal, good wines, great service. I was very surprised and
    pleased. Otherwise Altoona can be a culinary nightmare full of chain
    eateries.

  6. "Reg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Sheldon said:

    On Oct 28, 4:00?pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I was recently in Altoona PA, and had lunch at a "Texas Hot" place.
    Hot dogs are their game, but a special macaroni dish drove me insane.
    It had hamburger mixed with a tomato sauce. It did not seem like the
    sauce you get from a can, but could have been mixed with catsup plus
    some other spices. It was "baked" in an individual container, and
    topped with melted cheese. It reminded me of my mothers "Hungrian
    goulash." Any suggestions for making a tomato sauce that is not really
    a spagetti sauce. I do not think it was tomato soup. I plan to take a
    can of tomato sauce (8oz), and mix in some catsup to seem if it comes
    close. Thanks for any suggestions. My wife and I visited Altoona, and
    we ate in three "greasy" spoon type places, and we really enjoyed
    ourselves. The food really hit the spot. I could even read my
    newspaper at each place.

    I've been served tomato sauce at Amish restaurants in PA, usually
    served over roast beef... their menu listed it as tomato gravy. I
    would make an educated guess that it's essentially tomato juice
    thickened with cornstarch.

    It's a Texas dish. Nothing to do with Pennsylvania, and
    it definitely has nothing to do with the Amish. LOL

    I lived in TX for 16 years, and this is the first I've heard of this dish.

    Mary

  7. MareCat said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's a Texas dish. Nothing to do with Pennsylvania, and
    it definitely has nothing to do with the Amish. LOL

    I lived in TX for 16 years, and this is the first I've heard of this dish.

    Mary

    Same with me. I never ran into it....thankfully 🙂

  8. "Goomba38" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    MareCat said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's a Texas dish. Nothing to do with Pennsylvania, and
    it definitely has nothing to do with the Amish. LOL

    I lived in TX for 16 years, and this is the first I've heard of this
    dish.

    Mary

    Same with me. I never ran into it....thankfully 🙂

    Ate lots of sushi, Indian, Thai, Mexican, Vietnamese, BBQ, pizza, burgers,
    etc. when I lived in TX, but never any "Tex-Mex Mac & Cheese." LOL.

    Mary

  9. Reg said:
    Sheldon said:

    On Oct 28, 4:00?pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was recently in Altoona PA, and had lunch at a "Texas Hot" place.
    Hot dogs are their game, but a special macaroni dish drove me insane.
    It had hamburger mixed with a tomato sauce. It did not seem like the
    sauce you get from a can, but could have been mixed with catsup plus
    some other spices. It was "baked" in an individual container, and
    topped with melted cheese. It reminded me of my mothers "Hungrian
    goulash." Any suggestions for making a tomato sauce that is not really
    a spagetti sauce. I do not think it was tomato soup. I plan to take a
    can of tomato sauce (8oz), and mix in some catsup to seem if it comes
    close. Thanks for any suggestions. My wife and I visited Altoona, and
    we ate in three "greasy" spoon type places, and we really enjoyed
    ourselves. The food really hit the spot. I could even read my
    newspaper at each place.

    Quoted message said:

    I've been served tomato sauce at Amish restaurants in PA, usually
    served over roast beef... their menu listed it as tomato gravy. I
    would make an educated guess that it's essentially tomato juice
    thickened with cornstarch.

    It's a Texas dish. Nothing to do with Pennsylvania, and
    it definitely has nothing to do with the Amish. LOL

    You illiterate [censored]... the very first sentence of the original
    post: "I was recently in _Altoona PA_, and had lunch at a "Texas Hot"
    place."

    MOROON!

    Btw, there is no such thing as a Texas dish, all their recipes are
    bastardized concoctions stolen from Mexicans

    Sheldon

  10. Sheldon said:

    Btw, there is no such thing as a Texas dish, all their recipes are
    bastardized concoctions stolen from Mexicans

    Sheldon


    Not true! You left out the German influence.

  11. MareCat said:
    Reg said:

    It's a Texas dish. Nothing to do with Pennsylvania, and
    it definitely has nothing to do with the Amish. LOL

    I lived in TX for 16 years, and this is the first I've heard of this dish.

    When I lived in PA I always assumed it was Italian. I haven't
    seen ti here in TX either, though I do make it sometimes.

    -sw

  12. Sheldon said:

    Btw, there is no such thing as a Texas dish, all their recipes are
    bastardized concoctions stolen from Mexicans

    Maroon. There are plenty of original Texas dishes, just as there
    are Italian, Spanish, and English dishes.

    Using your same logic, everything we cook today would be Caveman
    Cuisine.

    -sw

  13. Reg said:


    Sometimes referred to as Tex Mex Mac and Cheese. There are
    lots of examples on the web. [snip]
    http://www.therecipebox.com/members/box/pasta/pa0041.htm


    I'm confused. If there is such a thing as TexMex Mac 'n Cheese, and
    there are lots of examples on the web, why did you post a link to a
    recipe from Canada that has nothing TexMex about it? Incidentally,
    the recipe calls for cutting up canned tomatoes with scissors ....
    first time I've ever seen that. -aem

  14. Sheldon said:
    Reg said:


    It's a Texas dish. Nothing to do with Pennsylvania, and
    it definitely has nothing to do with the Amish. LOL

    You illiterate [censored]... the very first sentence of the original
    post: "I was recently in _Altoona PA_, and had lunch at a "Texas Hot"
    place."

    Yes, a Texas Hot. A place you think serves Amish food.

    Wait, it gets better. The dish is called "Tex Mex Mac
    and Cheese".

    Still sound Amish to you?

    You win the booby award for the day.

    --
    Reg

  15. "Sqwertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    MareCat said:
    Reg said:

    It's a Texas dish. Nothing to do with Pennsylvania, and
    it definitely has nothing to do with the Amish. LOL

    I lived in TX for 16 years, and this is the first I've heard of this
    dish.

    When I lived in PA I always assumed it was Italian. I haven't
    seen ti here in TX either, though I do make it sometimes.

    When I was growing up in PA, my mom used to make the same "goulash" the OP
    mentioned--ground beef, macaroni, tomato sauce, and cheese.

    Mary

  16. MareCat said:

    When I was growing up in PA, my mom used to make the same "goulash" the OP
    mentioned--ground beef, macaroni, tomato sauce, and cheese.

    There's an Italian version that uses hot sausage that is
    fantastic. I used to be able to get it down in the strip
    district and at Kline's in PGH, but no more. I've tried
    replicating it, but nada. It was rigatoni-based.

    -sw

  17. its a staple in southern missouri. everyone makes it. brown hamburger,
    throw in stwed tomatoes and macaroni, throw in creamettes. cook on
    simmer til its dead.

    i've seen it being cooked but i would never eat it. its called poor
    people food. not my opinion, thats what they call it.

    i'm from chicago & half italian where my poor people food was spaghett
    with sauce.

  18. aem said:
    Reg said:

    Sometimes referred to as Tex Mex Mac and Cheese. There are
    lots of examples on the web. [snip]
    http://www.therecipebox.com/members/box/pasta/pa0041.htm

    I'm confused. If there is such a thing as TexMex Mac 'n Cheese, and
    there are lots of examples on the web, why did you post a link to a
    recipe from Canada that has nothing TexMex about it? Incidentally,
    the recipe calls for cutting up canned tomatoes with scissors ....
    first time I've ever seen that. -aem

    As I said, it's sometimes referred to as tex mex mac and cheese.
    What, exactly, is unclear to you about the word "sometimes"?

    As for cutting up whole canned tomatoes, squishing them by
    hand works for me. I suppose the author uses scissors as
    an alternative to chopping with a knife. Doesn't really
    matter a whole lot in any case, at least to me.

    --
    Reg

  19. Witchy Way said:

    its a staple in southern missouri. everyone makes it. brown hamburger,
    throw in stwed tomatoes and macaroni, throw in creamettes. cook on
    simmer til its dead.

    What the heck is a "creamette"??

    S.

  20. Reg said:
    Sheldon said:

    On Oct 28, 5:00?pm, Reg <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's a Texas dish. Nothing to do with Pennsylvania, and
    it definitely has nothing to do with the Amish. LOL

    Quoted message said:

    You illiterate [censored]... the very first sentence of the original
    post: "I was recently in _Altoona PA_, and had lunch at a "Texas Hot"
    place."

    Yes, a Texas Hot. A place you think serves Amish food.

    Wait, it gets better. The dish is called "Tex Mex Mac
    and Cheese".

    Still sound Amish to you?

    Call it whatever you like but If this dish is made in Amish country
    it's Amish because there's nothing Texas about mac n' cheese, not
    unless it's garnished with lots of [censored]. Again, for the pinheads,
    there is no such thing as Texas food... there's not one dish on the
    planet that can be credited to Texas, every one is stolen from
    somewhere else... yoose don't even have your own water 'cept what's
    pumped from your port-a-potties. There ain't even any such thing as a
    Texan, you're all transients and Mexicans. Everything Texan is
    hyphenated Mexican.

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