Lucky kid!

Gooserider said:

I guess this is a case where his helmet worked, but not in the usually
expected way.

http://blogs.tampabay.com/biking/

LARGO -- A Largo Middle School sixth-grader is probably alive today because
he was wearing his bicycle helmet Tuesday afternoon.

And 11-year-old Johnathon Ferland wasn't even riding his bike when the
helmet saved his life.

Instead, police say, he was standing with his bike on the side of the road
at Eighth Avenue SW and Ridge Road when a freak accident took place.

A 1979 Chevrolet truck was trying to back into a parking space at the
neighboring Fifth Third Bank when its brakes failed. The truck jumped the
curb, went across some grass and hit two poles. One of those poles -- a
pedestrian crossing sign post about 10 feet tall and four inches thick --  
fell on the 93-pound boy's head, knocking him into the pavement.

---the rest of the article is at the link.

--

Glad the kid is more or less ok. I'm not making light of his injury,
but the phrase "knocking him into the pavement" conjured up Tom and
Jerry like images for me, which affected my mood for the rest of the
article. Wouldn't "onto" be a better preposition?

Joseph

Gooserider said:

I guess this is a case where his helmet worked, but not in the usually
expected way.

http://blogs.tampabay.com/biking/

LARGO -- A Largo Middle School sixth-grader is probably alive today because
he was wearing his bicycle helmet Tuesday afternoon.

And 11-year-old Johnathon Ferland wasn't even riding his bike when the
helmet saved his life.

Instead, police say, he was standing with his bike on the side of the road
at Eighth Avenue SW and Ridge Road when a freak accident took place.

A 1979 Chevrolet truck was trying to back into a parking space at the
neighboring Fifth Third Bank when its brakes failed. The truck jumped the
curb, went across some grass and hit two poles. One of those poles -- a
pedestrian crossing sign post about 10 feet tall and four inches thick --
fell on the 93-pound boy's head, knocking him into the pavement.

Can we see the calculation based on the damage to the foam showing how
much energy it absorbed - without that, this is meaningless blather by a
reporter.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

Don't you know you cannot mention protectective headwear of any kind on
these boards ? If God him/herself posted that they do or do not work it
would start a minor war.

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Quoted message said:

Don't you know you cannot mention protectective headwear of any kind on
these boards ? If God him/herself posted that they do or do not work it
would start a minor war.

I guess in Tom's world, falling 10 foot traffic signs just naturally bounce
off children's skulls. Ridiculous.

Gooserider said:

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Quoted message said:

Don't you know you cannot mention protectective headwear of any kind on
these boards ? If God him/herself posted that they do or do not work it
would start a minor war.

I guess in Tom's world, falling 10 foot traffic signs just naturally bounce
off children's skulls. Ridiculous.

In "Gooserider's" world, a lightweight piece of molded expanded
polystyrene somehow provides significant energy absorption. Utterly
ridiculous.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

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Gooserider said:

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Quoted message said:

Don't you know you cannot mention protectective headwear of any kind on
these boards ? If God him/herself posted that they do or do not work it
would start a minor war.

I guess in Tom's world, falling 10 foot traffic signs just naturally
bounce off children's skulls. Ridiculous.

In "Gooserider's" world, a lightweight piece of molded expanded
polystyrene somehow provides significant energy absorption. Utterly
ridiculous.

Tell you what, Tom----let me hit you in your naked head with a bat. Please.
Let's see what happens.

I was wearing a helmet when I was hit by a truck mirror---in the back of the
head. My helmet cracked, yet my skull was uninjured. If nothing else, the
helmet prevented me from having my head laid open by the impact.

It's Chris said:

Don't you know you cannot mention protectective headwear of any kind
on these boards ? If God him/herself posted that they do or do not
work it would start a minor war.

AHZs don't believe in God. <eg>

Gooserider said:

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Quoted message said:

Gooserider said:

"It's Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Don't you know you cannot mention protectective headwear of any
> kind on these boards ? If God him/herself posted that they do or
> do not work it would start a minor war.
>
>
I guess in Tom's world, falling 10 foot traffic signs just naturally
bounce off children's skulls. Ridiculous.

In "Gooserider's" world, a lightweight piece of molded expanded
polystyrene somehow provides significant energy absorption. Utterly
ridiculous.

Tell you what, Tom----let me hit you in your naked head with a bat.
Please. Let's see what happens.

I was wearing a helmet when I was hit by a truck mirror---in the back
of the head. My helmet cracked, yet my skull was uninjured. If
nothing else, the helmet prevented me from having my head laid open
by the impact.

Sigh. One more time: COMMON SENSE AND PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HAVE NO PLACE IN
HELMET WARS, BECAUSE TO AHZs IT'S A RELIGIOUS ISSUE AND THEY'RE TRUE (NON)
BELIEVERS! (Exactly like /another/ leading issue of the day, initials
"G.W."😉

HTH... BS

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gooserider said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Gooserider said:

"It's Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Don't you know you cannot mention protectective headwear of any kind on
> these boards ? If God him/herself posted that they do or do not work it
> would start a minor war.

Quoted message said:

Tell you what, Tom----let me hit you in your naked head with a bat. Please.
Let's see what happens.

I was wearing a helmet when I was hit by a truck mirror---in the back of the
head. My helmet cracked, yet my skull was uninjured. If nothing else, the
helmet prevented me from having my head laid open by the impact.

Gooserider, let me hit your bike-helmeted head with a bat. If I can't
knock you unconscious (even going through the foam) I'll eat my bike
shorts. The old pair.

I mean, I wear a helmet virtually every time I ride a bike, a
consequence of either not wanting to invite a ticket, racing rules, or
the general feeling that when I'm out riding in the woods where I might
well fall off my bike, it might be nice to reduce my chances of going
unconscious.

That said, I can read the stats: they do seem to strongly indicate that
the actual injury-reduction ability of bike helmets is chimerical; it
can't be seen through the statistical fuzz.

Moreover, we know about the actual harm (in reduced cycling) that helmet
laws universally do.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gooserider said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Gooserider wrote:
> "It's Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>> Don't you know you cannot mention protectective headwear of any
>> kind on these boards ? If God him/herself posted that they do or
>> do not work it would start a minor war.

Quoted message said:

Tell you what, Tom----let me hit you in your naked head with a bat.
Please. Let's see what happens.

I was wearing a helmet when I was hit by a truck mirror---in the
back of the head. My helmet cracked, yet my skull was uninjured. If
nothing else, the helmet prevented me from having my head laid open
by the impact.

Gooserider, let me hit your bike-helmeted head with a bat. If I can't
knock you unconscious (even going through the foam) I'll eat my bike
shorts. The old pair.

I mean, I wear a helmet virtually every time I ride a bike, a
consequence of either not wanting to invite a ticket, racing rules, or
the general feeling that when I'm out riding in the woods where I
might well fall off my bike, it might be nice to reduce my chances of
going unconscious.

That said, I can read the stats: they do seem to strongly indicate
that the actual injury-reduction ability of bike helmets is
chimerical; it can't be seen through the statistical fuzz.

Moreover, we know about the actual harm (in reduced cycling) that
helmet laws universally do.

Classic. (Hint: Goose never mentioned a law, nor did he say that a bat
couldn't hurt someone wearing a helmet.)

Classic.

"Ryan Cousineau" wrote: (clip) Moreover, we know about the actual harm (in
reduced cycling) that helmet

Quoted message said:

laws universally do.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We do?

Gooserider said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Gooserider said:

"It's Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Don't you know you cannot mention protectective headwear of any kind on
> these boards ? If God him/herself posted that they do or do not work it
> would start a minor war.
>
>
I guess in Tom's world, falling 10 foot traffic signs just naturally
bounce off children's skulls. Ridiculous.

In "Gooserider's" world, a lightweight piece of molded expanded
polystyrene somehow provides significant energy absorption. Utterly
ridiculous.

Tell you what, Tom----let me hit you in your naked head with a bat. Please.
Let's see what happens.

Pretty much the same result as if I was wearing a foam bicycle hat.

Quoted message said:

I was wearing a helmet when I was hit by a truck mirror---in the back of the
head. My helmet cracked, yet my skull was uninjured. If nothing else, the
helmet prevented me from having my head laid open by the impact.

No reasonable person has denied that the Bicycle Foam Hat can work as a
scratch and bump protector. To believe the Bicycle Foam Hat provides
significant protection against skull fracture and/or serious brain
injury indicates an ignorance of how little energy said hat can absorb.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gooserider said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Gooserider wrote:
> "It's Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>> Don't you know you cannot mention protectective headwear of any kind on
>> these boards ? If God him/herself posted that they do or do not work it
>> would start a minor war.

Quoted message said:

Tell you what, Tom----let me hit you in your naked head with a bat. Please.
Let's see what happens.

I was wearing a helmet when I was hit by a truck mirror---in the back of the
head. My helmet cracked, yet my skull was uninjured. If nothing else, the
helmet prevented me from having my head laid open by the impact.

Gooserider, let me hit your bike-helmeted head with a bat. If I can't
knock you unconscious (even going through the foam) I'll eat my bike
shorts. The old pair.

Laundered or un-laundered? 😉

Quoted message said:

I mean, I wear a helmet virtually every time I ride a bike, a
consequence of either not wanting to invite a ticket, racing rules, or
the general feeling that when I'm out riding in the woods where I might
well fall off my bike, it might be nice to reduce my chances of going
unconscious.

That said, I can read the stats: they do seem to strongly indicate that
the actual injury-reduction ability of bike helmets is chimerical; it
can't be seen through the statistical fuzz.

Moreover, we know about the actual harm (in reduced cycling) that helmet
laws universally do.

Please Mr. Cousineau, do not be so sensible.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

Bill Sornson said:

Gooserider said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Gooserider wrote:
> "It's Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>> Don't you know you cannot mention protectective headwear of any
>> kind on these boards ? If God him/herself posted that they do or
>> do not work it would start a minor war.
>>
>>
> I guess in Tom's world, falling 10 foot traffic signs just naturally
> bounce off children's skulls. Ridiculous.
In "Gooserider's" world, a lightweight piece of molded expanded
polystyrene somehow provides significant energy absorption. Utterly
ridiculous.

Tell you what, Tom----let me hit you in your naked head with a bat.
Please. Let's see what happens.

I was wearing a helmet when I was hit by a truck mirror---in the back
of the head. My helmet cracked, yet my skull was uninjured. If
nothing else, the helmet prevented me from having my head laid open
by the impact.

Sigh. One more time: COMMON SENSE AND PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HAVE NO PLACE IN
HELMET WARS, BECAUSE TO AHZs IT'S A RELIGIOUS ISSUE AND THEY'RE TRUE (NON)
BELIEVERS!

Common sense also told us the earth was flat, the sun revolved around
the earth, night air caused disease and many other beliefs decisively
disproved by science. Science tells us that a lightweight, expanded
polystyrene hat will not absorb much energy before crushing and/or fracture.

Furthermore, NONE of the population studies have shown any benefit from
helmet wearing.

Quoted message said:

(Exactly like /another/ leading issue of the day, initials "G.W."😉

That sounds like something Mark Hickey might have written. Heck, even
the Republican Party is trying to distance themselves from the RBC/GWB
crowd during the election year, in view of the disastrous policies
(unless you are part of the economic top 1%) of the last 7 years.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

Bill Sornson said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gooserider said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Gooserider wrote:
>> "It's Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>>> Don't you know you cannot mention protectective headwear of any
>>> kind on these boards ? If God him/herself posted that they do or
>>> do not work it would start a minor war.
Tell you what, Tom----let me hit you in your naked head with a bat.
Please. Let's see what happens.

I was wearing a helmet when I was hit by a truck mirror---in the
back of the head. My helmet cracked, yet my skull was uninjured. If
nothing else, the helmet prevented me from having my head laid open
by the impact.

Gooserider, let me hit your bike-helmeted head with a bat. If I can't
knock you unconscious (even going through the foam) I'll eat my bike
shorts. The old pair.

I mean, I wear a helmet virtually every time I ride a bike, a
consequence of either not wanting to invite a ticket, racing rules, or
the general feeling that when I'm out riding in the woods where I
might well fall off my bike, it might be nice to reduce my chances of
going unconscious.

That said, I can read the stats: they do seem to strongly indicate
that the actual injury-reduction ability of bike helmets is
chimerical; it can't be seen through the statistical fuzz.

Moreover, we know about the actual harm (in reduced cycling) that
helmet laws universally do.

Classic. (Hint: Goose never mentioned a law, nor did he say that a bat
couldn't hurt someone wearing a helmet.)

Classic.

"Gooserider" IMPLIED that a helmet would make a difference in the
baseball bat scenario, but Mr. Sornson had trouble making the
interpretation.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

Leo Lichtman said:

"Ryan Cousineau" wrote: (clip) Moreover, we know about the actual harm (in
reduced cycling) that helmet

Quoted message said:

laws universally do.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We do?

Yes, whenever mandatory helmet laws are introduced, the level of cycling
activities drops.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

Bill Sornson said:

It's Chris said:

Don't you know you cannot mention protectective headwear of any kind
on these boards ? If God him/herself posted that they do or do not
work it would start a minor war.

AHZs don't believe in God. <eg>

Pro-foam bicycle hat zealots do not believe in science.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

Leo Lichtman said:

"Ryan Cousineau" wrote: (clip) Moreover, we know about the actual
harm (in reduced cycling) that helmet

Quoted message said:

laws universally do.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Quoted message said:

We do?

Never question dogma, Leo.

Sheesh, I have a flat, discover a hole in my sidewall, research a
replacement, go buy them (might as well replace both, they're 10 years
old if they're a day!), replace, fight with the front since it seems
to be a bit larger than the rear and the new bead doesn't want to jump
into it's new home, replace the tubes also, try to pump them up, break
my old plastic Target floor pump, make yet another trip to Performance
to buy a decent pump this time (and while I'm there I buy some Andiamo
undershorts....mmmm, comfy...), back home pump up the new tires/tubes,
pop 'em back on the old Volpe, decide that after all that I'm too
tired to go ride, oh, I'll look at RBM to see if anyone has anything
interesting to say, and you guys have started a helmet war.

For pity's sake, I get enough pointless arguing from my marriage, I'm
not looking for it here!

ABS