low sugar

I'm sorry you had a hypo. I know nothing about T2, so unfortunately I have nothing to suggest. Steph

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I have T 2 Diabetes , I got it down to 110. and it stays there most of the time. but I eat in the
morning between 8. 8;30. and by ten my sugar is low. (
64 )

WHY?

need help to under stand. CMW

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I have T 2 Diabetes , I got it down to 110. and it stays there most of the time. but I eat in the
morning between 8. 8;30. and by ten my sugar is low. (
64 )

WHY?

So many unknowns. What are you eating for breakfast? Are you on any meds? If so, what? And when do
you take them? Are you active in the morning? Do you have a thyroid problem?

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:18:49 -0500 (EST), [email hidden] (Chazz)

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I have T 2 Diabetes , I got it down to 110. and it stays there most of the time. but I eat in the
morning between 8. 8;30. and by ten my sugar is low. (
64 )

WHY?

need help to under stand. CMW

There are lots of possible answers, but not enough info to do other than guess.

What time of day, relative to meals, do you get the 110? What did you eat in the morning? What was
your fbg? What was the BG after one hour?

For example, in my own case I can go low like you at two hours if the one hour reading is very high
(say over 180). Others have different reactions. It could be too many, or even not enough, carbs at
breakfast.

Try checking at the one hour as well as the two hour point for a couple of days until you can see a
pattern. Better, more detailed advice is at alt-support-alt-support-Open ↗
diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm .

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and not enough exercise.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

At a guess I'd say you are taking medication which lowers your blood glucose, and you got a hypo.
Hypos can be dangerous. You need to learn about your disease, possibly starting with the effect
that various medications have on your bg. Find yourself a good diabetic specialist. Also refer to
this newsgroup for some excellent information. Read Jennifer's excellent post to all newbies such
as yourself.

--
Henry

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I have T 2 Diabetes , I got it down to 110. and it stays there most of the time. but I eat in the
morning between 8. 8;30. and by ten my sugar is low. (
64 )

WHY?

need help to under stand. CMW

Chazz wrote in message <[email hidden]>... I have T 2
Diabetes , I got it down to 110. and it stays there most of the time. but I eat in the morning
between 8. 8;30. and by ten my sugar is low. (
64 )

WHY?

need help to under stand. CMW

Two possible answers:

65. One of the characteristics of part of the Type 2 diabetic population is a blood sugar control
mechanism that doesn't "turn off" well.

The diabetic eats something, the blood sugar starts to rise, the pancreas starts making insulin, but
the pancreas doesn't stop when it ought to. When that happens, the blood sugar drops past the normal
person's blood sugar setpoint of 85.

66. Many diabetics take pills which boost their insulin production for a couple of hours. If you
take one of those pills around breakfast time, your sugar can drop later on and stay down
until the pill wears off.

Err. . .you said your blood sugar stays around 110 most of the time. Most of us test at 2-hours-after-
eating each meal. Is that what you meant?

Regards
Old Al

What is a Hypo,?

I'v been a typ 2 1998, did not belive I was.took me three yr, to even try to under stand
it.....still trying to under stand, but doing much better with it... just don't know why my blood
drops low now,

I test in the morning when I get up. doc said once a day. so I know how many carbs to have for
breakfast. I just started exrsizeing two time a week, lost 54 lbs, over 5 months.

yes I take two kinds of meds , one in morning, and two pills at night, gloucps the other I will have
to go look. can't spell any of them...LOL!!!

I eat meals on time every day. watch my Carbs,

Had a Thyroid problem, not any more. they removed it, take a pill for that too,

hope this is not to long, but been looking for someone to talk to who's been there. Thank's chazz

Chazz,
See below...
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What is a Hypo,?

A hypo is short for hypoglycemia. Diabetics are hyperglycemic. A hypo happens when there is too much
insulin in the body, and your sugars drop under a certain level. For me, I am hypo at 70 and below.
If your sugars run consistantly high for a period of time, you can feel hypo at 100 or more. (It
depends on how quickly your sugars drop.) Some general symptoms of a hypo are: sweats, blurred or
blotchy vision, fuzzy thinking, shaking, possibly convulsions or passing out. I have started getting
a metallic taste on the middle of my tongue. (That's a new one for me.) I have found that the
symptoms change, sometimes I sweat, sometimes I see blotches.

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I'v been a typ 2 1998, did not belive I was.took me three yr, to even try to under stand
it.....still trying to under stand, but doing much better with it... just don't know why my blood
drops low now,

How low do you go? My father in law has been T2 for 3-4 years, and recently experienced his first
hypo. (Scared the dickens out of him!)

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I test in the morning when I get up. doc said once a day. so I know how many carbs to have for
breakfast. I just started exrsizeing two time a week, lost 54 lbs, over 5 months.

Congrats on your weight loss. You may want to test more often than once a day. Especially since you
have experienced a hypo. Testing will help you figure out what is going on.

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yes I take two kinds of meds , one in morning, and two pills at night, gloucps the other I will
have to go look. can't spell any of them...LOL!!!

I'm T1, so knowing your meds means little to me. I don't know what the T2 meds do! (I can't spell
your meds either!)

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I eat meals on time every day. watch my Carbs,

Had a Thyroid problem, not any more. they removed it, take a pill for that too,

There is another poster, Julie Bove, who is T2 with thyroid problems. I know that she has hypos.
Hopefully she will see your post and give you some insight. If she doesn't see your post, you may
want to post a message to her.

Quoted message said:

hope this is not to long, but been looking for someone to talk to who's been there. Thank's chazz

I've been there with hypos, but not with T2 or thyroid problems. All I can say about hypos is that
they stink! They also have an amazing ability to happen at the most annoying times.

I hope this helps. Steph

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What is a Hypo,?

I'v been a Type 2 1998, did not belive I was, took me three yr, to even try to under stand it...
Thank's chazz

Well, that's your first problem. Fortunately, you seem to have come to your senses ! But, you do
have a lot to learn !! For someone who has had diabetes for 5 YEARS to be asking, "What is a Hypo?",
shows a great lack of basic knowledge. That is something you should have known in the first five
days, not five years later.

As others have explained, it means having a low BG, (Blood Glucose), generically referred to as a
low blood sugar. All carbohydrates that you consume are converted to glucose, so, the "blood sugar"
is in the form of glucose, often referred to as your BG.

A normal BG is between 70-120. If you are usually showing 110, that is ideal. Exercise does burn up
sugar, so, with a BG of 110, you should have enough of a margin to accommodate most activity,
without getting too low. If you start off with a BG of 70-75, as soon as you get some exercise, it
will drop below a safe level, and you will get low,(have a hypo).

Turns out that this is happening to you after breakfast when it drops to 64. You could try eating
a bigger breakfast, but if weight is an issue, that is not ideal. Don't know if you have a glass
of Orange Juice with breakfast? That or any fruit juice, not sugared fruit drink, may do the
trick. A small glass, 4 oz., is usually recommended for an active diabetic to have with breakfast.
Some Type 2's may not tolerate it well, and some people don't like it. In your case, if your
pancreas is over-producing insulin, right after you eat, that may not be a solution by itself. You
may also need to have an extra piece of toast, bowl of cereal, or protein source such as sausage,
cheese, or eggs. All of those protein sources, however, are loaded with cholesterol, and not good
to have on a daily basis.

You should mention this to your doctor, and have him decide if a change in medication would help.

You also MUST see a diabetes educator AND a dietitian. Appointments with those people can and should
be set up with your doctor. He will give the dietitian the basics for your diet, and the details
will come from the dietitian.

It is not a bad idea to have a review of the latest techniques in diabetes treatment once every 5
years, anyway, and I am sure your doctor will be impressed if he sees or hears that you want to take
an active role in your diabetes treatment.

You can also get added information from magazines such as the Forecast or Diabetes Self Management.
There are also free publications from places like K-Mart, CVS Pharmacy, and others. For a free
sample issue of Diabetes Self Management, click this link:
diabetesselfmanagement.commagazine.cfmOpen ↗

The Forecast is Free with a membership in the American Diabetes Association. More info here:
diabetes.orgdefault.jspOpen ↗ Or, take out a gift subscription to
yourself or from your wife to you. It is $24.95 vs $28 for a membership without the "gift." (pages
may load slowly) kable.comsubservices.aspOpen ↗

Do be aware of that fact that you can test you BG with the meter and test strips, anytime you want.
Your doctor may have suggested once per day to make it easy for you, in the beginning, but after
five years, you should have more than once per day results.

Anytime you think you might be low, check your BG. Don't neglect this or let it go. When it is low,
take some form of sugar, fruit juice, glucose tablets-2 to 4 when it is around 60-64, or a small
candy bar, or other hard candies.

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Old Al mentioned two important considerations:

Quoted message said:

1. One of the characteristics of part of the Type 2 diabetic population is a blood sugar control
mechanism that doesn't "turn off" well.

The diabetic eats something; the blood sugar starts to rise, the pancreas starts making insulin,
but the pancreas doesn't stop when it ought to. When that happens, the blood sugar drops past the
normal person's blood sugar setpoint of 85.

2. Many diabetics take pills which boost their insulin production for a couple of hours. If you
take one of those pills around breakfast time, your sugar can drop later on and stay down
until the pill wears off.

But if it is below 70, don't leave it there.

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:20 -0500 (EST), [email hidden] (Chazz)

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What is a Hypo,?

I'v been a typ 2 1998, did not belive I was.took me three yr, to even try to under stand
it.....still trying to under stand, but doing much better with it... just don't know why my blood
drops low now,

I test in the morning when I get up. doc said once a day. so I know how many carbs to have for
breakfast. I just started exrsizeing two time a week, lost 54 lbs, over 5 months.

yes I take two kinds of meds , one in morning, and two pills at night, gloucps the other I will
have to go look. can't spell any of them...LOL!!!

I eat meals on time every day. watch my Carbs,

Had a Thyroid problem, not any more. they removed it, take a pill for that too,

hope this is not to long, but been looking for someone to talk to who's been there. Thank's chazz

No chazz, it's not too long. It's what we're here for.

Congratulations on the weight loss. I know it was hard (I did the same) but it was one of the best
things you could have done, and will make your fight against diabetes so much easier. Now comes the
interesting part where you start to understand this disease and what to do to help yourself.

If you look back through the answers, you will see a few things in common.

Review your situation with a qualified doctor and diabetes dietician. Too many professionals treat
us as unable to understand so they give orders rather than advice. Ask questions of them until you
are happy that you understand why they want you to take certain drugs or eat particular diets. Tell
them about your symptoms when you are "low".

If you are not happy with their advice, read a little here, then get a second QUALIFIED opinion.
This is an un-moderated newsgroup, so any twit (including me) can post; sometimes they post drivel.

And I repeat, go to the a.s.d. web-site and read the advice there to newly diagnosed. It is at alt-support-alt-support-Open ↗
diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm .

Then come back and ask more questions.

Good Luck

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and not enough exercise.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

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What is a Hypo,?

I'v been a typ 2 1998, did not belive I was.took me three yr, to even try to under stand
it.....still trying to under stand, but doing much better with it... just don't know why my blood
drops low now,

A hypo is low BG. Just how low is too low? That figure varies depending on what source you use. I've
seen 65-70 used as the number to determine hypo. I treat for hypo <80 or <100 if I am to be active.
Why? Because my BG has been known to plummet suddenly. Your BG goes too low from activity, not
enough carbs, thyroid problems, failing to eat on time, stress, hormone levels, medication, or any
number of things.

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I test in the morning when I get up. doc said once a day. so I know how many carbs to have for
breakfast. I just started exrsizeing two time a week, lost 54 lbs, over 5 months.

You don't test for the rest of the day? Talk about flying blind! If I were you I'd get another Dr.
You need to test any time you are not feeling well. And I think you should do at LEAST one
additional test during the day. Preferably more until you get the hand of things. And it sounds like
you don't have the hang of things.

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yes I take two kinds of meds , one in morning, and two pills at night, gloucps the other I will
have to go look. can't spell any of them...LOL!!!

If you are taking two meds, then it is imperative that you do more testing. Some meds are more
likely to cause hypos. There is no med called gloucps that I know of.

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I eat meals on time every day. watch my Carbs,

You say you are watching your carbs. If you are not testing throughout the day, what does this mean?

Quoted message said:

Had a Thyroid problem, not any more. they removed it, take a pill for that too,

If you are not getting the correct dose of thyroid meds and your thyroid is running hyper, you can
be more prone to hypos with BG.

Quoted message said:

hope this is not to long, but been looking for someone to talk to who's been there.

It took me several years to see the connection between my thyroid and my BG. Are you seeing an
Endocrinologist? With the combined problems you have, you should be.

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Don't know if you have a glass of Orange Juice with breakfast? That or any fruit juice, not
sugared fruit drink, may do the trick. A small glass, 4 oz., is usually recommended for an active
diabetic to have with breakfast. Some Type 2's may not tolerate it well, and some people don't
like it.

I beg to differ. I've never seen this recommended. Fast acting carbs like that, especially first
thing in the morning can cause a spike and a subsequent hypo. Eating more carbs for breakfast might
help but since he is not testing at two hours after eating we have no idea what his BG is then. A
better option might be a snack between breakfast and lunch. I am more active now in the morning and
find that on many days I must eat about 8g of carbs between those meals. Sometimes I must up it to
15g. I have had one hypo right before lunch. In that case I just ate lunch a bit early and tested
more often after lunch.

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Julie Bove said:

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Quoted message said:

Don't know if you have a glass of Orange Juice with breakfast? That or any fruit juice, not
sugared fruit drink, may do the trick. A small glass, 4 oz., is usually recommended for an active
diabetic to have with breakfast. Some Type 2's may not tolerate it well, and some people don't
like it.

I beg to differ. I've never seen this recommended. Fast acting carbs like that, especially first
thing in the morning can cause a spike and a subsequent hypo. Eating more carbs for breakfast might
help but since he is not testing at two hours after eating we have no idea what his BG is then. A
better option might be a snack between breakfast and lunch. I am more active now in the morning and
find that on many days I must eat about 8g of carbs between those meals. Sometimes I must up it to
15g. I have had one hypo right before lunch. In that case I just ate lunch a bit early and tested
more often after lunch.

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Chazz, Julie is right.

I love orange juice, but it would kill me slowly if I had it for breakfast.

You must test to find what it does to you, but the only valid reason for me to drink it would be to
treat a hypo. As I haven't had a hypo for months now, looks like it's no longer on the menu.

I'm afraid the "Wise Words" monicker is not borne out by the content.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002 , no meds, diet and not enough exercise.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.