Low carb liver flush?

What do you mean 'liver flush'?

Becky P. who also has rosacea.
http://www.family.solidrockpl.org/html/my_diet_.html

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What do you mean 'liver flush'?

Becky P. who also has rosacea.
http://www.family.solidrockpl.org/html/my_diet_.html

It's a process by which you eat/drink certain things and your body reacts by
releasing "stones" from your liver (by going #2). They say it's good for a
whole lot of different reasons.

Slewrt said:

It's a process by which you eat/drink certain things and your body
reacts by releasing "stones" from your liver (by going #2).

There's no way anything can get from the liver back into the
intestines, unless it's bile, and you can get rid of that just by
eating enough fiber.

Also, always a good idea to make sure you're drinking enough water, to
flush lots of things out (by going #1 though 😉.

Now, if you have a SPECIFIC something you want to flush out of your
body, let us know and we'll see if there's something to suggest. But
to ask for a generic "clean my liver" is not enough information for
us.

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They say it's good for a whole lot of different reasons.

Mostly for filling their pocketbooks.

Slewrt said:

I've been meaning to do this for a while (mainly for my rosacea), but most
of the recipes I've found involve apple juice. Does anyone know of a recipe
that contains lower carb ingredients? Thanks.

Liver flush? hahahahahahahaha Sorry. But when I read these kinds of
posts I almost wish I didn't have a conscience so I could line my
pockets with the money the gullible and ignorant flock to throw away
on ridiculous notions.

Jamie has a boiler plate post response that explains the "stones"
found in the so-called flush. Hey Jamie?

Lee Rodgers
Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org
CHAT http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html
Low-Carb Connoisseur http://www.low-carb.com

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Slewrt said:

It's a process by which you eat/drink certain things and your body
reacts by releasing "stones" from your liver (by going #2).

Hey! thanks for the daily laugh you gave me. P.T. Barnum was right!

Pat in TX

Sounds suspiciously like the gall bladder flush, where you drink olive
oil and lemon juice, and then pass the gallstones, which if not frozen
after passing, will dissolve. LMAO

--
Cheri

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Slewrt said:

It's a process by which you eat/drink certain things and your body
reacts by releasing "stones" from your liver (by going #2).

Hey! thanks for the daily laugh you gave me. P.T. Barnum was right!

Pat in TX

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Sounds suspiciously like the gall bladder flush, where you drink olive
oil and lemon juice, and then pass the gallstones, which if not frozen
after passing, will dissolve. LMAO

--
Cheri

Maybe it'll help us to lose weight---all that laughing going on has got to
use some calories!

Pat in TX

Valerie Saxion ND (http://www.silvercreeklabs.com) says that a coffee enema is good for cleansing the liver. She says that the coffee is absorbed by the colon and goes to the liver through the portal vein and stimulates the liver to release bile. She says to use extra strong coffee (after it has cooled down) undiluted.

Slewrt said:

I've been meaning to do this for a while (mainly for my rosacea), but
most of the recipes I've found involve apple juice. Does anyone know
of a recipe that contains lower carb ingredients? Thanks.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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Valerie Saxion ND (http://www.silvercreeklabs.com) says that a coffee enema is

good for cleansing the liver. She says that the coffee is absorbed by the colon
and goes to the liver through the portal vein and stimulates the liver to release
bile. She says to use extra strong coffee (after it has cooled down) undiluted.

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And if you use vanilla-flavored coffee, it the output will smell like a
cookie :-)

--
Saffire
205/148/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

"Michael Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Valerie Saxion ND (http://www.silvercreeklabs.com) says that a coffee enema
is good for cleansing the liver. She says that the coffee is absorbed by
the colon and goes to the liver through the portal vein and stimulates the
liver to release bile. She says to use extra strong coffee (after it has
cooled down) undiluted.

1. The liver doesn't need cleansing.
2. The liver takes cares of itself.
3. the coffee would be digested long before it could ever get to the liver:
nothing passes through to the colon without being acted upon and digested.

The liver also receives oxygen-depleted blood from the hepatic portal vein.
This vein, which is the source of 75 percent of the liver's blood supply,
carries blood to the liver that has traveled from the digestive tract, where
it collects nutrients as food is digested. These nutrients are delivered to
the liver for further processing or storage.

4. why on earth would anyone want to "stimulate the liver to release bile"
when the liver is not processing anything?

Another crucial function of the liver is the production of bile, a
yellowish-brown liquid containing salts necessary for the digestion of
lipids, or fats. These salts are produced within the lobules. Bile leaves
the liver through a network of ducts and is transported to the gallbladder,
which concentrates the bile and releases it into the small intestine.

5. why do you believe this unscientific [censored]? Did you not notice that any
Google search on "cleansing the liver" will not turn up a single credible
site? Not a single one! Only quacks and charlatans.

Pat in TX

Slewrt said:

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What do you mean 'liver flush'?

Becky P. who also has rosacea.
http://www.family.solidrockpl.org/html/my_diet_.html

It's a process by which you eat/drink certain things and your body reacts by
releasing "stones" from your liver (by going #2). They say it's good for a
whole lot of different reasons.

Gallbladder and liver "flushes" you'll find on the net are a load of
bull.

After juice-fasting a couple of days to clear most of the feces out of
your system, you drink the "flushing" solution. It produces lots of
floating, round soft blobs from the solution of oil, epsom salts and
lemon/grapefruit that you drink in these flushes, which are claimed
to be gallstones. Real gallstones are hard and faceted, and don't
dissolve and disappear after you remove them from the toilet like
the "stones" from these "flushes" do.

"Detoxing" can be bad for your health -- see my next article in this
thread.

--
jamie ([email hidden])

"There's a seeker born every minute."

My God, just think of the possibilities. Will air wick be filing for
bankruptcy along with Wonder Bread? ;-)

--
Cheri

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And if you use vanilla-flavored coffee, it the output will smell like a
cookie :-)

--
Saffire
205/148/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

The Weekend Australian
The dangers of detox diets
By Emily Smith
May 08, 2004

After a Christmas or Easter break the inevitable cry of "I'm detoxing" is
heard around the Western world with people signing up for a two-day or
two-week diet designed to fix all the ills of a long weekend or lifetime of
poor diet and pollutants. But is detoxing really as effective or safe as
commonly believed?

Dietitians have been fighting the misconceptions surrounding detox diets for
years and say that not only are the diets ineffective but they can also be
dangerous.

Tania Ferraretto is a privately practising dietitian and spokesperson for
the Dietitians Association of Australia. Dr Ferraretto sees a dozen people a
year after Christmas who have been on detox diets and says that while
increasing fruit and vegetable intake is desirable for most people,
short-term diets will not affect long-term health.

"They usually come to see me because the diet is not working or having the
effects they expected," she says. "I recently saw a woman, she was in her
30s ,and wanted to lose weight and started on a restricted diet of fruit and
vegetables. When she came to me, saying that the diet was not working, she
displayed the classic symptoms: tiredness and lethargy, constipation and bad
breath."

But Ferraretto says while these are relatively mild symptoms, if a diet
involves restricted food intake over a long period more serious conditions
can develop, varying from bowel and respiratory problems to vitamin and
mineral deficiencies.

Many detox diets also prescribe copious amounts of water that can, in
extreme cases, result in water toxicity, or hyponatraemia; when sodium
levels and other body salts, or electrolytes, in the blood are too dilute.

The dangers of hyponatraemia and detoxing were seen in a case in Britain
last year when The Times reported a 23-year-old man going into a coma for
four days after a 21-day detox diet of fruit, vegetables, juice and water.
The lack of sodium combined with at least five litres of water a day caused
his sodium levels to drop and his brain to swell.

It is easy to see how detoxing can look attractive, in theory. Most detox
diets assert that too much of the wrong sorts of food, a polluted
environment, and unhealthy habits such as drinking and smoking contribute to
a build-up of poisonous substances in the body.

According to the theories, by adhering to a diet of "pure" foods you will
purge yourself of poisons and undo the damage wreaked on your health. The
purported solution commonly involves drinking two litres or more of water,
accompanied by fruit or vegetable juice and unlimited consumption of raw
fruit and vegetables.

Meat, dairy and starches such as bread or pasta are usually recommended in
small amounts or excluded all together.

However, recent US trials of detox plans at the University of Southern
California found that none of the prominent detox diets, including a version
of the popular liver-cleansing diet and the fruit-juice diet, lived up to
the claims that they would purge environmental toxins over and above what
the body does naturally.

Clare Collins, a consultant dietitian from the University of Newcastle, says
that while there is merit in encouraging people to increase their fruit and
vegetable intake, the misconception is that excluding food groups will give
the body a rest, or that the body even needs a rest. "Your body detoxes
naturally all the time through the liver and the kidneys," Dr Collins says.
"And reducing your food intake is not going to speed up the process or
compensate for bad foods, and may, in fact, end up doing more harm than
good."

The irony, Collins explains, is that the fasting can actually slow down the
rate of the natural elimination of toxins by the body.

Lowering energy consumption slows down metabolism and reducing or
eliminating protein, found in meat and fish, can slow the function of the
liver. "This is why the physical symptoms of a long-term detox diet are very
similar to someone undertaking a fast."

The physical symptoms of a fast can include headaches, constipation and bad
breath - a result of your body burning muscle.

Many advocates of detoxification diets believe these symptoms are signs that
the body is detoxing, purging itself of poisons - a theory Collins refutes.
"Some religions use fasting as part of their spiritual practice, and over
short periods this is fairly safe."

But while these spiritual fasts - such as Ramadan in Islam and the Jewish
Yom Kippur, allow food to be consumed at certain times with followers
"planning" their intake to avoid hunger - most detox programs advocate 48
hours to seven days of a strict dietary regimen, with some recommending up
to 21 days of restricted eating.

Collins says the most extreme example of a spiritual detox in Australia is
the now infamous Breatharian diet, where a Brisbane woman died after a week
of "consuming" nothing but air.

Lani Morris believed that the black bile she was coughing was a result of
the physical and spiritual cleansing of the 21-day initiation diet that
advocated no food or water for a week and then two weeks of nothing but
orange juice.

Morris, 53, died on July 1, 1999, suffering from pneumonia, dehydration,
kidney failure and stroke. "Once someone is in a fasting state it can become
difficult for them to think rationally," Collins says. "Your electrolytes
become disturbed and you stop thinking rationally; you are easy to control."

People who fast for prolonged periods also face a higher risk of what
Collins calls the "refeeding syndrome". "If you have fasting for a long
period of time, you can't start eating normally because your cell content is
disturbed. If you try and ingest huge amounts of calories you can die,"
Collins says.

Ferraretto agrees with Collins that the psychology of a detox diet can
appeal to people who are already vulnerable to control issues surrounding
food, and that when taken to the extreme - such as in the case of the
Breatharian diet - detox diets can become eating disorders.

The high availability of various detox diets, from books, magazines and the
Internet to alternative medicine practitioners, means people who are
vulnerable to eating disorders can attach themselves to a diet as a way of
controlling their relationship with food.

Earlier this year Ferraretto treated a 15-year-old girl who started on a
detox diet of fruit and vegetables but, after the two-week period of the
diet was up, found herself unable to go back to eating normal food. By the
time she saw Ferraretto, she was exhibiting the physical symptoms of
anorexia nervosa, had vitamin deficiencies, couldn't concentrate at school
and her hair had started to fall out. "She was already vulnerable, and was
prescribed this diet by a natural medicine practitioner," Ferraretto says.

This is a story familiar to Anna Harvey, a support worker in Adelaide for
the Eating Disorder Association, who has seen eating disorder patients
subscribing to bizarre detoxification diets. She recently met a young girl
who had restricted herself to a diet of offal - animal brains and kidneys -
for six weeks after being prescribed it by a naturopath to rehabilitate
supposed deficiencies.

"When this girl came to us she could hardly leave the house and although she
hated what she was eating, she couldn't stand to eat anything else," Harvey
says.

But while the length and content of detox diets varies dramatically, is
there any evidence that the basic detox diet consisting of a fruit and
vegetable "overload" will help you at all?

Trent Watson is a nutritionist from the University of Newcastle studying the
effects of anti-oxidants on the performance of athletes. "A fruit and
vegetable binge will fill your body with anti-oxidants, but how much good
that is going to do you is very questionable," Watson says.

His research has focused on the comparison between anti-oxidants found
naturally in vegetables and those in vitamin supplements, and their
effectiveness in fighting free radicals, oxidants naturally produced by the
body, especially when exercising or in times of stress.

Watson found that excess consumption of double the recommended intake of
fruit and vegetables helped athletes when they were in training, and
producing more free radicals, but had no extra beneficial effect when they
were at rest. "The detox diet operates under the same quick-fix philosophy
as vitamin tablets," he says.

"And whole fruit and vegetables provide anti-oxidants in the best quantities
and combinations possible, and these need to be ingested regularly, five
serves every day. "Having 10 serves a day for a week, and then eating none
for a week, is not the answer."

Watson warns against the idea that anti-oxidants can be made up through
vitamin supplements and says these quick-fix solutions can end up harming
the body.

A study from the US National Cancer Institute in 1994 published in the New
England Journal of Medicine looked at the effects of beta carotene, a
well-known anti-oxidant with cancer-fighting properties, on the incidence of
lung cancer in men. One group of men were (sic) put on a balanced diet high
in fruit and vegetables high in beta-carotene or pro-vitamin A, found in
orange foods such as carrot and sweet potato. The next group was given
beta-carotene supplements and the final group was given a placebo.

Not only did the group with the fruit and vegetable intake get a lower
incidence of cancer, but the group taking the supplements had a higher
incidence of cancer than the placebo group and the trial had to be
terminated.

"Concentrating anti-oxidants in a tablet do not give you the same benefits
as fruit and vegetables because you need the other vitamins found in the
vegetable to get the benefits of the anti-oxidant."

Watson says that so far his research has confirmed that fruit and vegetables
seem to have the anti-oxidants in the right amount and balance for your
body, but that eating a diet of just fruit and vegetables can be as
ineffective as not eating them at all. "Fruit and vegetables need to be part
of a balanced diet," he says. "The anti-oxidants won't work as well if your
metabolism has dropped, because you are not eating adequate amounts of
carbohydrate and protein needed to process the vitamins."

Watson and the dietitian association advocate long-term eating plans that
incorporate the five food groups, with at least five serves of vegetables
(two cups) and two pieces of fruit a day. Most people can make some
improvements by increasing their intake of fruit and vegetables.

The last National Nutrition Survey, taken in 1995, showed that Australians
are only consuming half the recommended intake of fruit and vegetables.

Ferraretto claims that people need to understand that food is not going to
detoxify the body and should stop seeking answers in ready-made solutions.
"Many of the claims made by the now famous liver-cleansing diet are fairly
unsubstantiated," she says. "Your liver, like the rest of your body, does
its job best when you are eating a balanced diet, including carbohydrates
and protein."

Collins says the celebrity status of many detox diets - such as the orange
food diet and the raw food diet - create misconceptions that many foods such
as meat and dairy are loaded with toxins. For many people, it is easy to
believe that "toxins" are responsible for feeling sluggish or for being
overweight.

"Our food supply in the Western world is quite safe. And fruit and
vegetables also contain bac teria that need to be broken down by the body,"
she says. "Most detoxifying diets rest on the myth that you are somehow
flushing the system, and you have to wonder why people feel the need to do
that. "While the minerals and vitamins in fruit and vegetables are
undeniably good for you, they cannot do a better job of cleansing the system
than your liver and your kidneys."

Watson feels that while fad diets capture people's attention, if only for a
short time, it is healthy eating that needs a marketing makeover.

"People are bored with the concept of a balanced diet, but so far it is the
only one that has been shown to make a real impact on long-term health," he
says. "Nutrition isn't rocket science."

-- end article ---

Michael Collins said:

Valerie Saxion ND (http://www.silvercreeklabs.com) says that a coffee =
enema is good for cleansing the liver. She says that the coffee is =
absorbed by the colon and goes to the liver through the portal vein and =
stimulates the liver to release bile. She says to use extra strong =
coffee (after it has cooled down) undiluted.

Eating fat stimulates the release of bile. Why shove coffee up your
butt?

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jamie ([email hidden])

"There's a seeker born every minute."

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"Michael Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Valerie Saxion ND (http://www.silvercreeklabs.com) says that a coffee

enema

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is good for cleansing the liver. She says that the coffee is absorbed by
the colon and goes to the liver through the portal vein and stimulates the
liver to release bile. She says to use extra strong coffee (after it has
cooled down) undiluted.

1. The liver doesn't need cleansing.
2. The liver takes cares of itself.
3. the coffee would be digested long before it could ever get to the

liver:

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nothing passes through to the colon without being acted upon and digested.

The liver also receives oxygen-depleted blood from the hepatic portal

vein.

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This vein, which is the source of 75 percent of the liver's blood supply,
carries blood to the liver that has traveled from the digestive tract,

where

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it collects nutrients as food is digested. These nutrients are delivered

to

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the liver for further processing or storage.

4. why on earth would anyone want to "stimulate the liver to release bile"
when the liver is not processing anything?

Another crucial function of the liver is the production of bile, a
yellowish-brown liquid containing salts necessary for the digestion of
lipids, or fats. These salts are produced within the lobules. Bile leaves
the liver through a network of ducts and is transported to the

gallbladder,

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which concentrates the bile and releases it into the small intestine.

5. why do you believe this unscientific [censored]? Did you not notice that any
Google search on "cleansing the liver" will not turn up a single credible
site? Not a single one! Only quacks and charlatans.

Pat in TX

I - out of curiosity - went to google - and searched for "liver flush". It
came up with over 28,000 hits. I looked at one of them - it was so weird -
drink 2 cups apple juice every two hours for two days and then drink a big
cup of olive oil and lemon juice or something like that. The person that
wrote it said it made her feel like vomiting so she went to sleep - next
morning - had an explosive bowel movement with about 30 gelatinous balls
from 1mm to 1cm. She said she took one - rinsed it off - and took it to her
Dr. He said it wasn't a gallstone - just something made in the liver. Her
take on it - this is a procedure that should ONLY be done under direct
supervision of a Dr that knows what he is doing - it is dangerous for the
body. After reading what she wrote - I am glad I never had the urge to try
something that seems so strange.

P.S. - I am back from my cruise - I ate what I felt like eating - which
actually did not include a lot of carbs. I did splurge and have dessert
almost every night - stuff that I would never make or buy. When I got home
and stepped on the scale and my weight was exactly the same as when I left.
I was gone from the 10th through the 20th. It made me realize that all the
eating habits I have been changing since starting to eat LC are paying off.
I can enjoy myself and know that I am making wise decisions automatically (I
never had to stop and question what I wanted to eat) and won't have to worry
that I will gain a lot of weight when on vacation or away from home for any
reason. Glad to be back - but I had a blast. Our group that went is
already talking about planning a second cruise next year.

Diane

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Diane Ball wrote:
It made me realize that all the eating habits I have been

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changing since starting to eat LC are paying off. I can enjoy myself
and know that I am making wise decisions automatically (I never had
to stop and question what I wanted to eat) and won't have to worry
that I will gain a lot of weight when on vacation or away from home
for any reason. Glad to be back - but I had a blast. Our group that
went is already talking about planning a second cruise next year.

Diane

That's great Diane, really. I know for myself that I'm not there yet.
There was 2 weeks in the summer where I could not log, weigh and keep track
of my foods and calories, and I realized that eyeballing the food is the key
to my destruction. I still have to be very diligent to constantly lose.
Monica
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"Slewrt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I've been meaning to do this for a while (mainly for my
rosacea), but most of the recipes I've found involve apple
juice. Does anyone know of a recipe that contains lower carb
ingredients? Thanks.

Your either a troll or a pretty easy mark. Which ever is the
case, it don't work.

BJ

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"Michael Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Valerie Saxion ND (http://www.silvercreeklabs.com) says that a
coffee enema is good for cleansing the liver. She says that
the coffee is absorbed by
the colon and goes to the liver through the portal vein and
stimulates the liver to release bile. She says to use extra
strong coffee (after it has cooled down)
undiluted.

Does this require a suppository and enema bag too?

ROTFL BJ