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  1. http://www.rocklintoday.com/news/templates/health_news.asp?articleid=1819&zoneid=7

    Carbs fuel appetite, study concludes
    LEE BOWMAN (Scripps Howard News Service)

    A new study of obese diabetics shows why the pounds melt so quickly
    with low-carbohydrate diets _ carbs fuel appetite.

    "We proved that people lose weight on the Atkins diet because they eat
    less (consume fewer calories), not because they get bored with the diet
    or lose body water or because the carbohydrate calories are treated
    differently by the body than fat or protein calories," said Dr.
    Guenther Boden, a professor of medicine who specializes in diabetes and
    metabolism at Temple University in Philadelphia.

    The study, published Tuesday in the Annals of Internal Medicine, used
    10 volunteers who spent three weeks in hospital rooms, the first on
    their regular diet, the last two on the restricted-carbs diet.

    All the subjects had mild type 2 diabetes (in which the body either
    doesn't produce enough insulin or doesn't efficiently use what it
    produces to break down sugar). Almost 80 percent of diabetics are
    overweight or obese, compounding health risks such as heart disease and
    stroke. Boden wanted to examine how a low-carb diet, which has been
    shown to produce rapid weight loss, would affect weight, appetite and
    blood-sugar levels in obese diabetics.

    Most other recent studies of the Atkins diet have allowed patients to
    stay at home and self-report their diet and exercise. But in the new
    study, the patients stayed in the hospital to ensure exact measurements
    of calorie intake and expenditure.

    During the first week, the patients could eat anything and as much as
    they wanted, and they ate an average of 3,111 calories a day, and about
    300 grams of carbohydrates a day.

    In the following two weeks, when restricted to 20 grams of carbs a day,
    and despite readily available protein and high-fat foods, the patients
    ate about 1,000 fewer calories a day, a calorie intake considered
    appropriate to their height and weight. And they lost an average of
    about 3.6 pounds each.

    Along with the calorie reduction and weight loss, the patients
    experienced substantial improvement in blood glucose levels and insulin
    sensitivity, as well as lower triglycerides and cholesterol.

    "Although they could have, they did not compensate by eating more
    proteins and fats, and they weren't bored by the food choices. In fact,
    they loved the diet. This indicates to me that it was the carbohydrates
    (they had been eating) that stimulated the excess appetite," Boden
    said.

    "They spontaneously reduced their calories by about 1,000 calories a
    day. One gram of fat equals nine calories, so doing the math, you can
    determine how much fat will be lost by cutting 1,000 calories," Boden
    said.

    He cautioned that the long-term health effects of low-carb diets are
    not known, and that it's uncertain whether other types of diets might
    have a similar impact on obese diabetics, something he hopes will be
    investigated.

    People seeking to lose weight don't have to cut carbs as drastically as
    the Atkins diet calls for, Boden said, but "the message is: calories
    count. If you want to lose weight, you have to decrease your food
    intake or increase your physical activity. But it helps to know that
    carbohydrates make it more difficult to reduce your caloric intake, so
    with fewer carbs, you're going to eat fewer total calories a day."

    On the Net: http://www.annals.org

    ********

    TC

  2. Another report on the same study:

    Low-Carb Diets Eliminate Urge to Overeat, Study Finds
    Contributed by Ron Gara | 15 March, 2005 14:19 GMT

    In addition to the calorie reduction and weight loss, subjects
    experienced markedly improved glucose levels and insulin sensitivity,
    as well as lower triglycerides and cholesterol.
    Carbohydrates in the diet act as an appetite stimulant, fueling
    excessive overeating, new research suggests. A low-carbohydrate diet,
    such as the Atkins diet, has the opposite effect -- dulling the
    appetite and leading to weight loss.
    Temple University School of Medicine researchers conducted the study,
    which is published in the March 15 issue of the Annals of Internal
    Medicine, with a group of obese patients who had type 2 diabetes and
    followed the Atkins diet.

    It is the only study of the Atkins diet to have been conducted in the
    strictly controlled environment of a clinical research center where
    every calorie eaten and spent was measured.

    Popular Explanations Debunked

    "When carbohydrates were restricted, study subjects spontaneously
    reduced their caloric intake to a level appropriate for their height,
    did not compensate by eating more protein or fat, and lost weight,"
    says lead researcher Guenther Boden, M.D. We concluded that excessive
    overeating had been fueled by carbohydrates."

    Almost 80 percent of diabetics are overweight or obese, compounding
    health risks, such as heart disease and stroke. Boden wanted to examine
    how low-carbohydrate diets, which have been shown to produce rapid
    weight loss, affected weight, appetite and blood sugar in obese
    diabetics.

    He discovered that study subjects did not eat less because they were
    bored with the food selection, and their weight loss was not
    attributable to water loss, two common speculations about low-carb
    diets. Further, weight loss could not be explained by a change in
    metabolism, another popular misconception.

    Every Calorie Counted

    After a week of typical eating, ten obese patients with type 2 diabetes
    followed the Atkins diet for two weeks, with carbohydrates limited to
    20 grams per day and unlimited protein and fat.

    "When we took away the carbohydrates, the patients spontaneously
    reduced their daily energy consumption by 1,000 calories a day.
    Although they could have, they did not compensate by eating more
    proteins and fats, and they weren't bored with the food choices. In
    fact, they loved the diet. The carbohydrates were clearly stimulating
    their excessive appetites," said Boden.

    All patients stayed in the hospital for the length of the study to
    insure exact measurements of calorie intake and expenditure. In other
    studies of the Atkins diet, subjects were at home and reported their
    own diet and exercise, making it difficult to ensure accuracy.

    Improved Glucose, Insulin, Triglycerides, Cholesterol

    In addition to the calorie reduction and weight loss, subjects
    experienced markedly improved glucose levels and insulin sensitivity,
    as well as lower triglycerides and cholesterol.

    Treatment for diabetes centers on closely monitoring sugar levels, diet
    and medication. Weight loss can often reduce or eliminate the need for
    medication, including insulin.

    Boden warns that the long term effects of low-carbohydrate diets are
    not known. Whether other types of diets would have a similar impact
    also remains to be investigated.

    This study was funding by grants from the National Institutes of Health
    and the American Diabetes Association.

    *******

    TC

    TC said:


    http://www.rocklintoday.com/news/templates/health_news.asp?articleid=1819&zoneid=7

    Quoted message said:


    Carbs fuel appetite, study concludes
    LEE BOWMAN (Scripps Howard News Service)

    A new study of obese diabetics shows why the pounds melt so quickly
    with low-carbohydrate diets _ carbs fuel appetite.

    "We proved that people lose weight on the Atkins diet because they


    eat

    Quoted message said:

    less (consume fewer calories), not because they get bored with the


    diet

    Quoted message said:

    or lose body water or because the carbohydrate calories are treated
    differently by the body than fat or protein calories," said Dr.
    Guenther Boden, a professor of medicine who specializes in diabetes


    and

    Quoted message said:

    metabolism at Temple University in Philadelphia.

    The study, published Tuesday in the Annals of Internal Medicine, used
    10 volunteers who spent three weeks in hospital rooms, the first on
    their regular diet, the last two on the restricted-carbs diet.

    All the subjects had mild type 2 diabetes (in which the body either
    doesn't produce enough insulin or doesn't efficiently use what it
    produces to break down sugar). Almost 80 percent of diabetics are
    overweight or obese, compounding health risks such as heart disease


    and

    Quoted message said:

    stroke. Boden wanted to examine how a low-carb diet, which has been
    shown to produce rapid weight loss, would affect weight, appetite and
    blood-sugar levels in obese diabetics.

    Most other recent studies of the Atkins diet have allowed patients to
    stay at home and self-report their diet and exercise. But in the new
    study, the patients stayed in the hospital to ensure exact


    measurements

    Quoted message said:

    of calorie intake and expenditure.

    During the first week, the patients could eat anything and as much as
    they wanted, and they ate an average of 3,111 calories a day, and


    about

    Quoted message said:

    300 grams of carbohydrates a day.

    In the following two weeks, when restricted to 20 grams of carbs a


    day,

    Quoted message said:

    and despite readily available protein and high-fat foods, the


    patients

    Quoted message said:

    ate about 1,000 fewer calories a day, a calorie intake considered
    appropriate to their height and weight. And they lost an average of
    about 3.6 pounds each.

    Along with the calorie reduction and weight loss, the patients
    experienced substantial improvement in blood glucose levels and


    insulin

    Quoted message said:

    sensitivity, as well as lower triglycerides and cholesterol.

    "Although they could have, they did not compensate by eating more
    proteins and fats, and they weren't bored by the food choices. In


    fact,

    Quoted message said:

    they loved the diet. This indicates to me that it was the


    carbohydrates

    Quoted message said:

    (they had been eating) that stimulated the excess appetite," Boden
    said.

    "They spontaneously reduced their calories by about 1,000 calories a
    day. One gram of fat equals nine calories, so doing the math, you can
    determine how much fat will be lost by cutting 1,000 calories," Boden
    said.

    He cautioned that the long-term health effects of low-carb diets are
    not known, and that it's uncertain whether other types of diets might
    have a similar impact on obese diabetics, something he hopes will be
    investigated.

    People seeking to lose weight don't have to cut carbs as drastically


    as

    Quoted message said:

    the Atkins diet calls for, Boden said, but "the message is: calories
    count. If you want to lose weight, you have to decrease your food
    intake or increase your physical activity. But it helps to know that
    carbohydrates make it more difficult to reduce your caloric intake,


    so

    Quoted message said:

    with fewer carbs, you're going to eat fewer total calories a day."

    On the Net: http://www.annals.org

    ********

    TC

  3. TC said:

    "We proved that people lose weight on the Atkins diet because they eat
    less (consume fewer calories), not because they get bored with the diet
    or lose body water or because the carbohydrate calories are treated
    differently by the body than fat or protein calories," said Dr.
    Guenther Boden, a professor of medicine who specializes in diabetes and
    metabolism at Temple University in Philadelphia.

    Isn't the problem one of staying on a diet? We have studies showing any
    diet can get people to lose weight. Then we get bored and fall off.

  4. "Isn't the problem one of staying on a diet? We have studies showing
    any
    diet can get people to lose weight. Then we get bored and fall off."

    That is part of the problem. Carbs (refined carbs that is) are
    addictive.

    Many people are so attached to refined carbs that they cannot stand to
    do without. People talk about white bread as if it is an indispensible
    part of their diet, they remind me of addicts and their drugs. They
    cannot even begin to imagine a meal without several slices of white
    bread or a large helping of soda or some other refined carb.

    Children are so attached to their rte cereals covered in sugar, their
    half-gallon sodas, their donuts, cookies, chocolate milk.

    The problem isn't so much staying on low-carb foods as it is staying
    away from addictive refined carb foods.

    People believe that food is supposed to give them that tingly weird
    head buzz and manic feeling that comes from refined carbs and sugars,
    instead of a mildly-satiated sensation, increased energy, and feeling
    of general well-being that one gets from a nutrient-packed real-food
    low-carb meal.

    The other part of the problem is that we've gotten away from preparing
    our own meals from scratch, from fresh produce, from fresh meats. We
    want instant gratification and the food industry is more than willing
    to process any cheap carb into vaguely edible nutrient-deficient
    semblance of a food product that we are willing to stuff down our
    gullet as quickly as possible.

    When you are prepared to create your own meals from scratch, the food
    can easily be head-and-shoulders above anything you can get in a box or
    a can. The variety is infinite and so, so good.

    We need to stop depending on food processors for our basic food needs
    and start eating the way people used to eat. Real food, the freshest
    foods, prepared just before being served. And no refined carbs.

    TC

    greg said:
    TC said:

    "We proved that people lose weight on the Atkins diet because they


    eat

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    less (consume fewer calories), not because they get bored with the


    diet

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or lose body water or because the carbohydrate calories are treated
    differently by the body than fat or protein calories," said Dr.
    Guenther Boden, a professor of medicine who specializes in diabetes


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    metabolism at Temple University in Philadelphia.

    Isn't the problem one of staying on a diet? We have studies showing


    any

    Quoted message said:

    diet can get people to lose weight. Then we get bored and fall off.

  5. TC said:

    That is part of the problem. Carbs (refined carbs that is) are
    addictive.

    I agree completely, but the solution of following a diet is one that
    doesn't seem to work for the majority.

  6. I isn't a matter of "following a diet" diet, it is a matter or
    reverting to a healthy diet, as in a "way of eating" diet.

    For those who fail to see the importance of this, they will suffer with
    obesity and disease. And they will pass it on to their children.

    They have to make it work if they want to be healthy, and if they want
    their children to be healthy.

    TC

    greg said:
    TC said:

    That is part of the problem. Carbs (refined carbs that is) are
    addictive.

    I agree completely, but the solution of following a diet is one that
    doesn't seem to work for the majority.

  7. TC said:

    I isn't a matter of "following a diet" diet, it is a matter or
    reverting to a healthy diet, as in a "way of eating" diet.

    But that is a diet. Call it what you will.

    Quoted message said:

    For those who fail to see the importance of this, they will suffer with
    obesity and disease. And they will pass it on to their children.

    They have to make it work if they want to be healthy, and if they want
    their children to be healthy.

    Problem is this a long term risk calculation and people are really bad
    at this. We are short term thinkers.

  8. I suspect that humans imprint on their foods at an early age. Parents feed
    the children refined carbs and thus as adults they expect them.

    It is remarkable how many people that regain health with low carb, then go
    back to eating carbs.

    I've been low carbing for 16 months, and plan to stay at it for life, but my
    low carb friends seem to cheat.

    "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Isn't the problem one of staying on a diet? We have studies showing
    any
    diet can get people to lose weight. Then we get bored and fall off."

    That is part of the problem. Carbs (refined carbs that is) are
    addictive.

    Many people are so attached to refined carbs that they cannot stand to
    do without. People talk about white bread as if it is an indispensible
    part of their diet, they remind me of addicts and their drugs. They
    cannot even begin to imagine a meal without several slices of white
    bread or a large helping of soda or some other refined carb.

    Children are so attached to their rte cereals covered in sugar, their
    half-gallon sodas, their donuts, cookies, chocolate milk.

    The problem isn't so much staying on low-carb foods as it is staying
    away from addictive refined carb foods.

    People believe that food is supposed to give them that tingly weird
    head buzz and manic feeling that comes from refined carbs and sugars,
    instead of a mildly-satiated sensation, increased energy, and feeling
    of general well-being that one gets from a nutrient-packed real-food
    low-carb meal.

    The other part of the problem is that we've gotten away from preparing
    our own meals from scratch, from fresh produce, from fresh meats. We
    want instant gratification and the food industry is more than willing
    to process any cheap carb into vaguely edible nutrient-deficient
    semblance of a food product that we are willing to stuff down our
    gullet as quickly as possible.

    When you are prepared to create your own meals from scratch, the food
    can easily be head-and-shoulders above anything you can get in a box or
    a can. The variety is infinite and so, so good.

    We need to stop depending on food processors for our basic food needs
    and start eating the way people used to eat. Real food, the freshest
    foods, prepared just before being served. And no refined carbs.

    TC

    greg said:
    TC said:

    "We proved that people lose weight on the Atkins diet because they


    eat

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    less (consume fewer calories), not because they get bored with the


    diet

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or lose body water or because the carbohydrate calories are treated
    differently by the body than fat or protein calories," said Dr.
    Guenther Boden, a professor of medicine who specializes in diabetes


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    metabolism at Temple University in Philadelphia.

    Isn't the problem one of staying on a diet? We have studies showing


    any

    Quoted message said:

    diet can get people to lose weight. Then we get bored and fall off.


  9. Cubit said:

    I suspect that humans imprint on their foods at an early age.


    Parents feed

    Quoted message said:

    the children refined carbs and thus as adults they expect them.

    Children learn what to eat and how to prepare the food from their
    parents, usually the mother. In most cases, when the mother is very
    obese the children will be chunky at an early age. The sad thing is
    that often the mother will have been trying to lose weight forever by
    eating low-fat low-cal high-carb and getting fatter and fatter because
    of it. And the rest of the family then follow the pattern of creeping
    obesity.

    Quoted message said:

    It is remarkable how many people that regain health with low carb,


    then go

    Quoted message said:

    back to eating carbs.

    I don't understand that at all. If I go back to high-carb I feel like
    [censored]. It feels so much better to eat real foods like a chicken soup
    made from scratch.

    Quoted message said:

    I've been low carbing for 16 months, and plan to stay at it for life,


    but my

    Quoted message said:

    low carb friends seem to cheat.

    Refined carbs are addicting and not everyone has the will-power I
    guess.

    Unfortunately people feel that not eating refined carbs is somehow
    restricting. I see it as empowering, I have 100% control over my weight
    and my health.

    TC

  10. High carb diets are not very satisfying, unless they are contain quite
    a bit of fat. My blood glucose went from 94 top 75 after I switched
    from a very low fat diet to a diet fairly high in saturated fatty acids
    (high in butter and coconut). And I was never hungry between meals or
    overnight, as I was on the high carb/low fat diet (which was very high
    in "complex" carbs). All I got from the high carb diet was digestive
    and malasorption problems. But I now eat all the carbs I want. The
    key is not to eat much polyunsaturated fatty acids or oxidized
    cholesterol and to eat antioxidant rich foods. When sugar and fat are
    eaten together, satisfaction is maximized (I cited an experiment done
    on this exact situation in my 2002 book). Notice that they did the
    study on obese diabetic people, which does not mean I, I thin person
    with no signs of diabetes, should eat what they eat. Too many studies
    neglect basic biochemistry and tell us what helped people who were on
    death's doorway. This has been especially egregious with women, that
    is, women were told what to do based upon studies of middle-aged, very
    ill men.

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