Low carb + creatine supp. = ?

Your ability to lift hard and low carb will increase after a while so if you
can stand to suffer a bit, you can leave off the creatine. Creatine tends
to hold water in the muscles while LCing tends to drive it out. So, to some
extent, creatine supp and LCing work against each other. Another option for
vigor in workouts is to TKD (targeted ketogenic diet) or CKD -( Cyclical).
GIYF.

Phantoz wrote:
:: Hi,
::
:: I've decided to return to low carbing after I tried it for a month a
:: couple of months back and found it seemed to work well. In addition
:: to cutting the carbs back to 20 grams a day, I'm hitting the gym ~ 4
:: times a week for relativly heavy resitance training (which I have
:: been doing on and off for a couple of years).
::
:: I found that while on induction my energy levels really took a hit,
:: and I couldn't last more than 20 minutes in the gym. Indeed, I
:: often craved to just get home and eat my fill of peppers and steak.
:: In between my previous low carb trial and now I started
:: supplementing my workouts with 5-10 mgs of Creatine supplement and
:: found that my vigor in the gym was renewed, and muscle gains began
:: to follow.
::
:: So, the question: does anyone have an personal experiences to share
:: with respect to creatine, resistance training, and low carbing?
::
:: Thanks,
::
:: phan

They do not work against each other. The point of low carbing is not to
drive water out of your muscles (for most people anyways) - it's to burn
fat. Bodybuilders as well as those knowledgable in fitness have been low
carbing for years - I personally remember low carbing to lean up over 10
years ago. Taking creatine during your low carbing/weight training is a
great idea. Though the original poster already made this clear by stating
his experience.

My experience has been the same over and over again through out the years.
Low Carbing is a great way to burn fat. It works even better if you do
resistance training (your overall health is better too). And, my experience
with creatine has been nothing but great.

Dont get too hung up on the scale. Look in the mirror. How do your clothes
fit? How do you feel?

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Your ability to lift hard and low carb will increase after a while so if

you

Quoted message said:

can stand to suffer a bit, you can leave off the creatine. Creatine tends
to hold water in the muscles while LCing tends to drive it out. So, to

some

Quoted message said:

extent, creatine supp and LCing work against each other. Another option

for

Quoted message said:

vigor in workouts is to TKD (targeted ketogenic diet) or CKD -( Cyclical).
GIYF.

Question:

How about aerobic training? Wouldn't some aerobic exercise help with burning
calories which if low carning would come from stored fat?
So, could I take creatine and do both resistance and aerobic training?

"DaveC" <[email hidden]_NOSPAM> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

They do not work against each other. The point of low carbing is not to
drive water out of your muscles (for most people anyways) - it's to burn
fat. Bodybuilders as well as those knowledgable in fitness have been low
carbing for years - I personally remember low carbing to lean up over 10
years ago. Taking creatine during your low carbing/weight training is a
great idea. Though the original poster already made this clear by stating
his experience.

My experience has been the same over and over again through out the years.
Low Carbing is a great way to burn fat. It works even better if you do
resistance training (your overall health is better too). And, my
experience
with creatine has been nothing but great.

Dont get too hung up on the scale. Look in the mirror. How do your
clothes
fit? How do you feel?

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Your ability to lift hard and low carb will increase after a while so if

you

Quoted message said:

can stand to suffer a bit, you can leave off the creatine. Creatine
tends
to hold water in the muscles while LCing tends to drive it out. So, to

some

Quoted message said:

extent, creatine supp and LCing work against each other. Another option

for

Quoted message said:

vigor in workouts is to TKD (targeted ketogenic diet) or CKD -(
Cyclical).
GIYF.

Absolutely!! I should have mentioned that.

"John Smyth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Question:

How about aerobic training? Wouldn't some aerobic exercise help with

burning

Quoted message said:

calories which if low carning would come from stored fat?
So, could I take creatine and do both resistance and aerobic training?

"DaveC" <[email hidden]_NOSPAM> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

They do not work against each other. The point of low carbing is not to
drive water out of your muscles (for most people anyways) - it's to burn
fat. Bodybuilders as well as those knowledgable in fitness have been low
carbing for years - I personally remember low carbing to lean up over 10
years ago. Taking creatine during your low carbing/weight training is a
great idea. Though the original poster already made this clear by

stating

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

his experience.

My experience has been the same over and over again through out the

years.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Low Carbing is a great way to burn fat. It works even better if you do
resistance training (your overall health is better too). And, my
experience
with creatine has been nothing but great.

Dont get too hung up on the scale. Look in the mirror. How do your
clothes
fit? How do you feel?

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Your ability to lift hard and low carb will increase after a while so

if

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you

Quoted message said:

can stand to suffer a bit, you can leave off the creatine. Creatine
tends
to hold water in the muscles while LCing tends to drive it out. So, to

some

Quoted message said:

extent, creatine supp and LCing work against each other. Another option

for

Quoted message said:

vigor in workouts is to TKD (targeted ketogenic diet) or CKD -(
Cyclical).
GIYF.

DaveC wrote:
|| They do not work against each other. The point of low carbing is
|| not to drive water out of your muscles (for most people anyways) -
|| it's to burn fat.

I never said that the point of low carbing is to drive water out of your
muscles, but that is what happens. Creatine draws water into the muscles,
so the two do work against each other in the sense I mentioned.

Bodybuilders as well as those knowledgable in
|| fitness have been low carbing for years - I personally remember low
|| carbing to lean up over 10 years ago. Taking creatine during your
|| low carbing/weight training is a great idea. Though the original
|| poster already made this clear by stating his experience.

But the OP doesn't really need creatine to weight train and LC. He said he
starting taking creatine after stating LC once he found a energy hit. That
enery hit will lessen after a while and creatine isn't really necessary. And
the two, so some degree, do work against each other.

TKD and CKD are two common methods that are used to address the energy
issue. They involve including more carbs in the diet to promote exercise
intensity.

||
|| My experience has been the same over and over again through out the
|| years. Low Carbing is a great way to burn fat. It works even better
|| if you do resistance training (your overall health is better too).
|| And, my experience with creatine has been nothing but great.
||
|| Dont get too hung up on the scale. Look in the mirror. How do your
|| clothes fit? How do you feel?

What does that have to do with his question?
||
||
||
||
||
||
|| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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||| Your ability to lift hard and low carb will increase after a while
||| so if you can stand to suffer a bit, you can leave off the
||| creatine. Creatine tends to hold water in the muscles while LCing
||| tends to drive it out. So, to some extent, creatine supp and LCing
||| work against each other. Another option for vigor in workouts is to
||| TKD (targeted ketogenic diet) or CKD -( Cyclical). GIYF.

John Smyth wrote:
|| Question:
||
|| How about aerobic training? Wouldn't some aerobic exercise help with
|| burning calories which if low carning would come from stored fat?
|| So, could I take creatine and do both resistance and aerobic
|| training?

Of course, aerobic exercise will burn calories. The same thing happens even
if you aren't LCing.

Do you guys think the only way to lose weight and burn fat is to LC? One
can eat a diet high in carbs but containing less calories than needed to
maintain current weight and still lose weight. Any activity that burns
calories will help build a calorie deficit and result in fat loss. LC isn't
special in terms of buring fat. It's main advantage is that it suppresseds
appetite and thus makes it easy to eat less (for most people). If you eat
less, your body turns to fat stores for the energy it needs, and hence you
lose fat.

||
||
||
|| "DaveC" <[email hidden]_NOSPAM> wrote in message
|| news:[email hidden]...
||| They do not work against each other. The point of low carbing is
||| not to drive water out of your muscles (for most people anyways) -
||| it's to burn fat. Bodybuilders as well as those knowledgable in
||| fitness have been low carbing for years - I personally remember low
||| carbing to lean up over 10 years ago. Taking creatine during your
||| low carbing/weight training is a great idea. Though the original
||| poster already made this clear by stating his experience.
|||
||| My experience has been the same over and over again through out the
||| years. Low Carbing is a great way to burn fat. It works even
||| better if you do resistance training (your overall health is better
||| too). And, my experience
||| with creatine has been nothing but great.
|||
||| Dont get too hung up on the scale. Look in the mirror. How do your
||| clothes
||| fit? How do you feel?
|||
|||
|||
|||
|||
|||
||| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
||| news:[email hidden]...
|||| Your ability to lift hard and low carb will increase after a while
|||| so if you can stand to suffer a bit, you can leave off the
|||| creatine. Creatine tends
|||| to hold water in the muscles while LCing tends to drive it out.
|||| So, to some extent, creatine supp and LCing work against each
|||| other. Another option for vigor in workouts is to TKD (targeted
|||| ketogenic diet) or CKD -( Cyclical).
|||| GIYF.

Phantoz wrote:
|| Hi,
||
|| I've decided to return to low carbing after I tried it for a month a
|| couple of months back and found it seemed to work well. In addition
|| to cutting the carbs back to 20 grams a day, I'm hitting the gym ~ 4
|| times a week for relativly heavy resitance training (which I have
|| been doing on and off for a couple of years).
||
|| I found that while on induction my energy levels really took a hit,
|| and I couldn't last more than 20 minutes in the gym. Indeed, I
|| often craved to just get home and eat my fill of peppers and steak.
|| In between my previous low carb trial and now I started
|| supplementing my workouts with 5-10 mgs of Creatine supplement and
|| found that my vigor in the gym was renewed, and muscle gains began
|| to follow.
||
|| So, the question: does anyone have an personal experiences to share
|| with respect to creatine, resistance training, and low carbing?

If you wish to get the most out of creatine usage, you're likely better off
to take it during a carb load phase on a CKD. Google CKD and creatine.
Staying stricting LC while taking creatine will likely blunt the effect of
creatine.