Low Carb and Hydration question

'Aides' in general are all marketing hype. I have ridden 5
to 7 half-metric centuries per week (150 - 200 miles/week)
for some years now and in 90F+/90%RH+ conditions using water
only. For the last few years, watering only before and after
my ride. My current stats are 55yo, 74", 205#, 60RHR
100/60 PB with a bit of postural syncope. YMMV

"HOIB" <WHFTHERB@(anti-spam)HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message
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| OK, let me try this question on the group. I'm just
| completing Phase I of South Beach Diet (lost 9 pounds thus
| far). I am an avid cyclist,
averaging
| about 125 miles per week, 3-4 rides per week. At least one
| of these rides is "intense", meaning that you're at 60-80%
| of Max Heart Rate for a majority
of
| the ride. I knew I had to shuck some pounds - so far
| so good...
|
| Since starting SBD 2 Sundays ago, I have used only plain
| water to hydrate. I had gotten to like GatorAid pre-SBD
| and can down 70 oz or 2 L of the
stuff
| in a couple of hours. GatorAid has 13g sugar in 8 oz (I
| mix it from a powder). So, I think, I'm stuck on the horns
| of a dilemma: Do I just
drink
| plain water and be faithful to SBD, or should I just use
| the GateorAid to support the exercise that I do.
|
| What's your opinion?
|
|
|

Doug - Interesting... Seems to go against the prevailing
wisdom (most of which may be driven by profit, I agree). Let
me go back on something you said - you siad "watering only
before and after". Am I reading that right, ie, you take no
hydration during a session? How's that working out for you?

I am 57, 206#, 73" and I don't know my RHR nor do I
understand what 100/60 PB is.

Hoib

"Doug Huffman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

'Aides' in general are all marketing hype. I have
ridden 5 to 7

half-metric

Quoted message said:

centuries per week (150 - 200 miles/week) for some years
now and in 90F+/90%RH+ conditions using water only. For
the last few years, watering only before and after my
ride. My current stats are 55yo, 74", 205#,

60RHR

Quoted message said:

100/60 PB with a bit of postural syncope. YMMV

"HOIB" <WHFTHERB@(anti-spam)HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message
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| OK, let me try this question on the group. I'm just
| completing Phase I

of

Quoted message said:

| South Beach Diet (lost 9 pounds thus far). I am an avid
| cyclist,
averaging
| about 125 miles per week, 3-4 rides per week. At least
| one of these rides is "intense", meaning that you're at
| 60-80% of Max Heart Rate for a

majority

Quoted message said:

of
| the ride. I knew I had to shuck some pounds - so far so
| good...
|
| Since starting SBD 2 Sundays ago, I have used only plain
| water to

hydrate.

Quoted message said:

| I had gotten to like GatorAid pre-SBD and can down 70 oz
| or 2 L of the
stuff
| in a couple of hours. GatorAid has 13g sugar in 8 oz (I
| mix it from a powder). So, I think, I'm stuck on the
| horns of a dilemma: Do I just
drink
| plain water and be faithful to SBD, or should I just use
| the GateorAid

to

Quoted message said:

| support the exercise that I do.
|
| What's your opinion?
|
|
|

I have been training for a century ride and I don't drink
anything but water and am on LC. If I go on a really long
ride I may eat a banana or cliff bar, which isn't low carb,
but other than that I don't. I rode 42 very hilly miles the
other day on low carb and water. It was no problem.

I don't care for sports drinks very often. When I ride 60
tomorrow, I may have some, but that is because it is
probably free.

I think you should stay on you South Beach Diet, until you
are the weight you want to be. You will lose pretty fast
since you are working out.

JMHO, Curt

"HOIB" <WHFTHERB@(anti-spam)HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

OK, let me try this question on the group. I'm just
completing Phase I of South Beach Diet (lost 9 pounds thus
far). I am an avid cyclist,

averaging

Quoted message said:

about 125 miles per week, 3-4 rides per week. At least one
of these rides is "intense", meaning that you're at 60-80%
of Max Heart Rate for a majority

of

Quoted message said:

the ride. I knew I had to shuck some pounds - so far
so good...

Since starting SBD 2 Sundays ago, I have used only plain
water to hydrate. I had gotten to like GatorAid pre-SBD
and can down 70 oz or 2 L of the

stuff

Quoted message said:

in a couple of hours. GatorAid has 13g sugar in 8 oz (I
mix it from a powder). So, I think, I'm stuck on the horns
of a dilemma: Do I just

drink

Quoted message said:

plain water and be faithful to SBD, or should I just use
the GateorAid to support the exercise that I do.

What's your opinion?

On Sat, 15 May 2004 10:36:55 GMT, "HOIB" <WHFTHERB@(anti-spam)HOTMAIL.COM>

Quoted message said:

OK, let me try this question on the group. I'm just
completing Phase I of South Beach Diet (lost 9 pounds thus
far). I am an avid cyclist, averaging about 125 miles per
week, 3-4 rides per week. At least one of these rides is
"intense", meaning that you're at 60-80% of Max Heart Rate
for a majority of the ride. I knew I had to shuck some
pounds - so far so good...

Since starting SBD 2 Sundays ago, I have used only plain
water to hydrate. I had gotten to like GatorAid pre-SBD and
can down 70 oz or 2 L of the stuff in a couple of hours.
GatorAid has 13g sugar in 8 oz (I mix it from a powder).
So, I think, I'm stuck on the horns of a dilemma: Do I just
drink plain water and be faithful to SBD, or should I just
use the GateorAid to support the exercise that I do.

What's your opinion?

Just dilute the Gatoraid by at least half again from what is
recommended. IOW, drink the same amount, but only 6.5 gms of
the 'sugar' at one time. It's OK to consume glucose during
exercise, and if you are just careful not to eat any fatty
foods within 2-4 hours, you won't defeat the purpose. You
probably won't need that much sugar, though, thus a good
reason to dilute
it. Just an opinion, b/c you have to experiment and find
your own 'answer' to these things.

-B

I'm doing the Atkins thing and will follow this tread with
interest. I'm 62, diabetic and try to ride 50 miles a week,
I have slowed down and I need to pick it up.

Sugar 124, bp 125/70. Got married last week.

Ridgecrest / Ontario Ca.

HOIB said:

OK, let me try this question on the group. I'm just
completing Phase I of South Beach Diet (lost 9 pounds thus
far). I am an avid cyclist, averaging about 125 miles per
week, 3-4 rides per week. At least one of these rides is
"intense", meaning that you're at 60-80% of Max Heart Rate
for a majority of the ride. I knew I had to shuck some
pounds - so far so good...

Since starting SBD 2 Sundays ago, I have used only plain
water to hydrate. I had gotten to like GatorAid pre-SBD
and can down 70 oz or 2 L of the stuff in a couple of
hours. GatorAid has 13g sugar in 8 oz (I mix it from a
powder). So, I think, I'm stuck on the horns of a dilemma:
Do I just drink plain water and be faithful to SBD, or
should I just use the GateorAid to support the exercise
that I do.

What's your opinion?

Burr said:

I'm doing the Atkins thing and will follow this tread with
interest. I'm 62, diabetic and try to ride 50 miles a week,
I have slowed down and I need to pick it up.

Sugar 124, bp 125/70. Got married last week.

Ridgecrest / Ontario Ca.

I'm not sure it would be applicable to someone who is taking
insulin. You didn't mention if you were insulin dependent.
What is your weight and your goal weight?

Check ASDLC for opinions and experiences from other
diabetics of the same type as yourself would be my
suggestion.

Best of luck!

-B

Sorry. Should be BP = blood pressure.

Certainly against prevailing breeze of opinion. My
(political) dot.sig is "The conspiracy of ignorance
masquerades as common sense."

My 'bent doesn't offer any convenient water-bottle location
and I just got out of the habit. Usually I have the opposite
problem - can't ride past a blue-box (porta-pottie) or even
a tree without stopping to 'water' it.

On typically long days touring (100 - 180 Km) I'll take a
liter or more at rest stops. And I practice 'pee one -
drink one'

"HOIB" <WHFTHERB@(anti-spam)HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message
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| Doug - Interesting... Seems to go against the prevailing
| wisdom (most of which may be driven by profit, I agree).
| Let me go back on something you said - you siad "watering
| only before and after". Am I reading that
right,
| ie, you take no hydration during a session? How's that
| working out for
you?
|
| I am 57, 206#, 73" and I don't know my RHR nor do I
| understand what 100/60 PB is.
|
| Hoib
|
|
| "Doug Huffman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| "]news:[email hidden]...
| > 'Aides' in general are all marketing hype. I have ridden
| > 5 to 7
| half-metric
| > centuries per week (150 - 200 miles/week) for some years
| > now and in 90F+/90%RH+ conditions using water only. For
| > the last few years,
watering
| > only before and after my ride. My current stats are
| > 55yo, 74", 205#,
| 60RHR
| > 100/60 PB with a bit of postural syncope. YMMV
| >
|

Fine Curt - I probably should have consulted with my MD
before going this route but... I got very used to Gator -
and - it was a lot cheaper than the powders/concoctions
available at the bike shop too. I don't really notice much
difference between using plain water and GA - I still get
dropped on Monday night! Oh well, need more miles I guess.
I believe you are right though because 10 pounds in two
weeks is fairly good for me. Am trying to achieve a better
power to rate ratio so I can climb better. I'm at 206 now
and headed toward 184 - 189 where I was five years back. I
am going to stay on SBD for an additional week over
recommended Phase I.

Thanks for your input.

Hoib

"curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I have been training for a century ride and I don't drink
anything but

water

Quoted message said:

and am on LC. If I go on a really long ride I may eat a
banana or cliff bar, which isn't low carb, but other than
that I don't. I rode 42 very hilly miles the other day on
low carb and water. It was no problem.

I don't care for sports drinks very often. When I ride 60
tomorrow, I may have some, but that is because it is
probably free.

I think you should stay on you South Beach Diet, until you
are the weight you want to be. You will lose pretty fast
since you are working out.

JMHO, Curt

"HOIB" <WHFTHERB@(anti-spam)HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

OK, let me try this question on the group. I'm just
completing Phase I

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

South Beach Diet (lost 9 pounds thus far). I am an avid
cyclist,

averaging

Quoted message said:

about 125 miles per week, 3-4 rides per week. At least
one of these rides is "intense", meaning that you're at
60-80% of Max Heart Rate for a

majority

Quoted message said:

of

Quoted message said:

the ride. I knew I had to shuck some pounds - so far so
good...

Since starting SBD 2 Sundays ago, I have used only plain
water to

hydrate.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I had gotten to like GatorAid pre-SBD and can down 70 oz
or 2 L of the

stuff

Quoted message said:

in a couple of hours. GatorAid has 13g sugar in 8 oz (I
mix it from a powder). So, I think, I'm stuck on the
horns of a dilemma: Do I just

drink

Quoted message said:

plain water and be faithful to SBD, or should I just use
the GateorAid

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

support the exercise that I do.

What's your opinion?

Badg... You are now the third person to mention that formula
too! It perhaps makes a lot of sense - I've had 2 weeks on
plain water - maybe it's time to experiment a bit now.

I'll try to post back if there are any
positive/negative results.

Hoib

"Badger_South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Sat, 15 May 2004 10:36:55 GMT, "HOIB" <WHFTHERB@(anti-

spam)HOTMAIL.COM said:

OK, let me try this question on the group. I'm just
completing Phase I

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

South Beach Diet (lost 9 pounds thus far). I am an avid
cyclist,

averaging

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

about 125 miles per week, 3-4 rides per week. At least
one of these rides is "intense", meaning that you're at
60-80% of Max Heart Rate for a majority

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the ride. I knew I had to shuck some pounds - so far so
good...

Since starting SBD 2 Sundays ago, I have used only plain
water to

hydrate.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I had gotten to like GatorAid pre-SBD and can down 70 oz
or 2 L of the

stuff

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in a couple of hours. GatorAid has 13g sugar in 8 oz (I
mix it from a powder). So, I think, I'm stuck on the
horns of a dilemma: Do I just

drink

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

plain water and be faithful to SBD, or should I just use
the GateorAid to support the exercise that I do.

What's your opinion?

Just dilute the Gatoraid by at least half again from what
is recommended. IOW, drink the same amount, but only 6.5
gms of the 'sugar' at one time. It's OK to consume glucose
during exercise, and if you are just careful

not

Quoted message said:

to eat any fatty foods within 2-4 hours, you won't defeat
the purpose. You probably won't need that much sugar,
though, thus a good reason to dilute
it. Just an opinion, b/c you have to experiment and find
your own 'answer' to these things.

-B

Wow! Hats off to you. I don't think I'd be able to make a
ride that length
w/o something. Thanks for your comments though - it gives me
something to anchor in.

Hoib

"Doug Huffman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Sorry. Should be BP = blood pressure.

Certainly against prevailing breeze of opinion. My
(political) dot.sig is "The conspiracy of ignorance
masquerades as common sense."

My 'bent doesn't offer any convenient water-bottle
location and I just got out of the habit. Usually I have
the opposite problem - can't ride past a blue-box (porta-
pottie) or even a tree without stopping to 'water' it.

On typically long days touring (100 - 180 Km) I'll take a
liter or more at rest stops. And I practice 'pee one -
drink one'

"HOIB" <WHFTHERB@(anti-spam)HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:JAnpc.52142$536.8978371@attbi_s03...
| Doug - Interesting... Seems to go against the prevailing
| wisdom (most

of

Quoted message said:

| which may be driven by profit, I agree). Let me go back
| on something

you

Quoted message said:

| said - you siad "watering only before and after". Am I
| reading that
right,
| ie, you take no hydration during a session? How's that
| working out for
you?
|
| I am 57, 206#, 73" and I don't know my RHR nor do I
| understand what

100/60

Quoted message said:

| PB is.
|
| Hoib
|
|
| "Doug Huffman" <[email hidden]> wrote in
| message "]news:[email hidden]...
| > 'Aides' in general are all marketing hype. I have
| > ridden 5 to 7
| half-metric
| > centuries per week (150 - 200 miles/week) for some
| > years now and in 90F+/90%RH+ conditions using water
| > only. For the last few years,
watering
| > only before and after my ride. My current stats are
| > 55yo, 74", 205#,
| 60RHR
| > 100/60 PB with a bit of postural syncope. YMMV
| >
|

Thank God, I'm not on Insulin. I have my doctors blessing.
Been doing from Dec 1, lost some, put some back on. I
started at 270 and hoping to be at 200 by Christmas. After 5
months I got bored and stated cheating. I am "trying" to get
back on "The Wagon". I ride 20-30 miles at a time and have
three bikes, Mountain/City with street tire and a 50 big
ring. A REI touring bike and a road bike. I keep the city
bike here in Ontario, Ca. and use it as much as I can. I do
a 28 or 33 mile loop at home and use the touring bike for
shopping at home.

Later Dude,

Burr

Badger_South said:

Burr said:

I'm doing the Atkins thing and will follow this tread with
interest. I'm 62, diabetic and try to ride 50 miles a
week, I have slowed down and I need to pick it up.

Sugar 124, bp 125/70. Got married last week.

Ridgecrest / Ontario Ca.

I'm not sure it would be applicable to someone who is
taking insulin. You didn't mention if you were insulin
dependent. What is your weight and your goal weight?

Check ASDLC for opinions and experiences from other
diabetics of the same type as yourself would be my
suggestion.

Best of luck!

-B

Burr said:

Thank God, I'm not on Insulin. I have my doctors blessing.
Been doing from Dec 1, lost some, put some back on. I
started at 270 and hoping to be at 200 by Christmas. After
5 months I got bored and stated cheating. I am "trying" to
get back on "The Wagon". I ride 20-30 miles at a time and
have three bikes, Mountain/City with street tire and a 50
big ring. A REI touring bike and a road bike. I keep the
city bike here in Ontario, Ca. and use it as much as I can.
I do a 28 or 33 mile loop at home and use the touring bike
for shopping at home.

Later Dude,

Burr

Well, be aware that Low Carb weight loss usually only works
well once. If you gain back and then try again, it's only
marginally successful for most people. (some can do it a few
times in my experience). In addition, once you go on it, you
might eventually be able to add a few more grams of carbs,
but if you just go back to junk foods, you'll gain it all
back and more, plus you'll have a much higher percentage of
bodyfat and less muscle, since you do lose muscle -and- fat.
As they say, it's not a diet, it's a permanent way of life.

-B

I'm on LC too. I did 50 miles this morning and I had two
bottles of Fruit2O (sugar free) during the ride. However,
I did take 40 g of glucose tables before and during the
ride, to avoid low blood sugar after the ride. I'm a type
2 diabetic.

What is it you need from Gatorade? You can eat morton lite
salt to water to deal the the electrolyte issue. Also keep
in mind that heavy exercise means you can tolerate more
carbs than if you're not exericing, and still lose weight.

HOIB wrote:
:: Fine Curt - I probably should have consulted with my MD
:: before going this route but... I got very used to Gator -
:: and - it was a lot cheaper than the powders/concoctions
:: available at the bike shop too. I don't really notice
:: much difference between using plain water and GA - I
:: still get dropped on Monday night! Oh well, need more
:: miles I guess. I believe you are right though because 10
:: pounds in two weeks is fairly good for me. Am trying to
:: achieve a better power to rate ratio so I can climb
:: better. I'm at 206 now and headed toward 184 - 189 where
:: I was five years back. I am going to stay on SBD for an
:: additional week over recommended Phase I.
::
:: Thanks for your input.
::
:: Hoib
::
:: "curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: "]news:[email hidden]...
::: I have been training for a century ride and I don't
::: drink anything but water and am on LC. If I go on a
::: really long ride I may eat a banana or cliff bar, which
::: isn't low carb, but other than that I don't. I rode 42
::: very hilly miles the other day on low carb and water. It
::: was no problem.
:::
::: I don't care for sports drinks very often. When I ride
::: 60 tomorrow, I may have some, but that is because it is
::: probably free.
:::
::: I think you should stay on you South Beach Diet, until
::: you are the weight you want to be. You will lose pretty
::: fast since you are working out.
:::
::: JMHO, Curt
:::
:::
::: "HOIB" <WHFTHERB@(anti-spam)HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in
::: message news:bpmpc.52722$z06.7501834@attbi_s01...
:::: OK, let me try this question on the group. I'm just
:::: completing Phase I of South Beach Diet (lost 9 pounds
:::: thus far). I am an avid cyclist, averaging about 125
:::: miles per week, 3-4 rides per week. At least one of
:::: these rides is "intense", meaning that you're at 60-80%
:::: of Max Heart Rate for a majority of the ride. I knew I
:::: had to shuck some pounds - so far so good...
::::
:::: Since starting SBD 2 Sundays ago, I have used only
:::: plain water to hydrate. I had gotten to like GatorAid
:::: pre-SBD and can down 70 oz or 2 L of the stuff in a
:::: couple of hours. GatorAid has 13g sugar in 8 oz (I mix
:::: it from a powder). So, I think, I'm stuck on the horns
:::: of a dilemma: Do I just drink plain water and be
:::: faithful to SBD, or should I just use the GateorAid to
:::: support the exercise that I do.
::::
:::: What's your opinion?

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...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

plain water and be faithful to SBD, or should I just use
the GateorAid to support the exercise that I do.

What's your opinion?

Just dilute the Gatoraid by at least half again from what
is recommended. IOW, drink the same amount, but only 6.5
gms of the 'sugar' at one time.

I'm not on LC, and I dilute gatorade to about 50 - 60%
anyway; full strength makes me thirsty.

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Quoted message said:

I'm doing the Atkins thing and will follow this tread with
interest. I'm 62, diabetic and try to ride 50 miles a
week, I have slowed down and I need to pick it up.

Sugar 124, bp 125/70. Got married last week.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That will raise your BP <GGG>.

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