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  1. Hello. Greetings from Singapore. Its the first day of Ramadan. As a Muslim and a type 2 diabetic,
    diagnosed 3 months ago, I have to fulfill my religious obligation, to fast from dawn to dusk,
    without food and water. But of course I had food and water the late night before. Low carb of
    course. I felt normal the whole day. I did my normal day to day activities with no problems. Never
    felt hungry or thirsty. However, I can't do a BG check during my fast as drawing blood before
    breaking fast is disallowed by my religion. So, I really don't know how low it really goes. I broke
    my fast at dusk and had a heavy buffet dinner consisting of meats, fish and plenty of vegetables. I
    did not take a BG check before meal. After 2 hours, did a BG check - it reads 76 mg/dl (4.2 mmol/L)
    That reading is shocking. I never had a reading of lower than 100 (5.5) after meals before. The
    lowest overnight fast reading I have was 86 (4.8) before breakfast ( usually less than 5.5(100)).

    I can however say that if someone has a high BG reading after meal or overnight fast, why not have a
    hearty low carb meal the night before and try fast for the whole working day, and plenty of water
    instead. You might be able to kickstart an ideal level BG readings that you are looking for. Many
    great religions and prophets encouraged fasting in one form or another for spiritual and health
    reasons. If you are not on meds or insulin and want to further control your BG - try fasting. It
    maybe good for you. We have heard of people having complications due to poor BG control. But, I have
    never heard of anybody in my lifetime, who have complications after fasting. Try. You never know.

    Ojatt Singapore.

  2. "ojatt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hello. Greetings from Singapore. Its the first day of Ramadan. As a Muslim and a type 2 diabetic,
    diagnosed


    3

    Quoted message said:

    months ago, I have to fulfill my religious obligation, to fast from dawn


    to

    Quoted message said:

    dusk, without food and water. But of course I had food and water the late night before. Low carb
    of course. I felt normal the whole day. I did my normal day to day activities with no problems.
    Never felt hungry or thirsty. However, I can't do a BG check during my fast as drawing blood
    before breaking fast is disallowed by my religion. So, I really don't know how low it really goes.
    I broke my fast at dusk and had a heavy buffet dinner consisting of


    meats,

    Quoted message said:

    fish and plenty of vegetables. I did not take a BG check before meal. After 2 hours, did a BG
    check - it reads 76 mg/dl (4.2 mmol/L) That


    reading

    Quoted message said:

    is shocking. I never had a reading of lower than 100 (5.5) after meals before. The lowest
    overnight fast reading I have was 86 (4.8) before breakfast ( usually less than 5.5(100)).

    I can however say that if someone has a high BG reading after meal or overnight fast, why not have
    a hearty low carb meal the night before and


    try

    Quoted message said:

    fast for the whole working day, and plenty of water instead. You might be able to kickstart an
    ideal level BG readings that you are looking for. Many great religions and prophets encouraged
    fasting in one form or


    another

    Quoted message said:

    for spiritual and health reasons. If you are not on meds or insulin and want to further control
    your BG -


    try

    Quoted message said:

    fasting. It maybe good for you. We have heard of people having complications due to poor BG
    control. But,


    I

    Quoted message said:

    have never heard of anybody in my lifetime, who have complications after fasting. Try. You
    never know.

    Ojatt Singapore.

    Sometihing just came in to my head.. the further north you are, the easier it would be to fast.
    Fasting from dusk till dawn here would be 5-6 hours.. ;o)

    Steinar

  3. In article said:

    Its the first day of Ramadan. As a Muslim and a type 2 diabetic, diagnosed 3 months ago, I have to
    fulfill my religious obligation, to fast from dawn to dusk, without food and water.

    I'm curious...

    In both Christianity and Judaism there are exemptions from fasting if it is dangerous to your
    health. Does Islam not have similar rules? You mention not being able to test during the day. As a
    non-Muslim, it would seem that testing occasionally to make sure you are not endangering your
    health* would fall within the spirit of Ramadan.

    (* Or the health of others. Depending on your profession, becoming hypoglycemic could endanger other
    people as well.)

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  4. "ojatt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hello. Greetings from Singapore. Its the first day of Ramadan. As a Muslim and a type 2 diabetic,
    diagnosed


    3

    Quoted message said:

    months ago, I have to fulfill my religious obligation, to fast from dawn


    to

    Quoted message said:

    dusk, without food and water. But of course I had food and water the late night before. Low carb
    of course.

    Diabetics are exempt from this fasting. It is not healthy or safe for us to do it.

    Quoted message said:

    I felt normal the whole day. I did my normal day to day activities with no problems. Never felt
    hungry or thirsty. However, I can't do a BG check during my fast as drawing blood before breaking
    fast is disallowed by my religion. So, I really don't know how low it really goes.

    I'm sure this is not true either! You must speak to someone about this. There have been links posted
    here before about various religions and fasting. Perhaps someone will post one again.

    Quoted message said:

    I broke my fast at dusk and had a heavy buffet dinner consisting of


    meats,

    Quoted message said:

    fish and plenty of vegetables. I did not take a BG check before meal. After 2 hours, did a BG
    check - it reads 76 mg/dl (4.2 mmol/L) That


    reading

    Quoted message said:

    is shocking. I never had a reading of lower than 100 (5.5) after meals before. The lowest
    overnight fast reading I have was 86 (4.8) before breakfast ( usually less than 5.5(100)).

    I can however say that if someone has a high BG reading after meal or overnight fast, why not have
    a hearty low carb meal the night before and


    try

    Quoted message said:

    fast for the whole working day, and plenty of water instead. You might be able to kickstart an
    ideal level BG readings that you are looking for. Many great religions and prophets encouraged
    fasting in one form or


    another

    Quoted message said:

    for spiritual and health reasons. If you are not on meds or insulin and want to further control
    your BG -


    try

    Quoted message said:

    fasting. It maybe good for you. We have heard of people having complications due to poor BG
    control. But,


    I

    Quoted message said:

    have never heard of anybody in my lifetime, who have complications after fasting. Try. You
    never know.

    This is NOT healthy! This type of thing might have worked for you, but it certainly would not work
    for most of us. In many cases, if you don't eat, the liver dumps glucose, making BG even higher.
    Study after study has proved why fasting is not good for diabetics. We are supposed to try to keep
    our BG as stable as possible. That's why we need to eat frequently. You may have never heard of
    anyone having complications after fasting, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened! I also don't
    believe that fasting does not include water. I think you're just trolling us.

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  5. On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:04:30 +0800, "ojatt" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Hello. Greetings from Singapore. Its the first day of Ramadan. As a Muslim and a type 2 diabetic,
    diagnosed 3 months ago, I have to fulfill my religious obligation, to fast from dawn to dusk,
    without food and water. But of course I had food and water the late night before. Low carb of
    course. I felt normal the whole day. I did my normal day to day activities with no problems. Never
    felt hungry or thirsty. However, I can't do a BG check during my fast as drawing blood before
    breaking fast is disallowed by my religion. So, I really don't know how low it really goes.

    And that is part of the problem. One way you could correct this problem is to fast on a day during
    which your faith does not require fasting. In that case, you could presumably test your blood sugar
    freely on that day.

    Quoted message said:

    I broke my fast at dusk and had a heavy buffet dinner consisting of meats, fish and plenty of
    vegetables. I did not take a BG check before meal. After 2 hours, did a BG check - it reads 76
    mg/dl (4.2 mmol/L) That reading is shocking. I never had a reading of lower than 100 (5.5) after
    meals before. The lowest overnight fast reading I have was 86 (4.8) before breakfast ( usually less
    than 5.5(100)).

    And both those numbers - 76 and 86, are good numbers. By most definitions, hypoglycemia is a blood
    sugar below 65 or 70 mg/dl. Also, keep in mind there is a false hypoglycemia that strikes most
    diabetics at one point or another. Basically, this means that you may sometimes experience the
    symptoms of hypoglycemia when your blood sugars are normal, simply because your blood sugar has
    dropped a bit and your brain and other organs have detected it.

    If the lowest numbers you're seeing are in the high 60's, you don't have much to worry about. I have
    type 1 myself and frequently see numbers in the 60's after injecting insulin. These do not cause
    problems. The only time I have problems is when I wait too long to eat after injecting insulin. In
    those cases, I have seen numbers in the 40's and found myself almost too jittery to even perform a
    blood glucose test at all.

    Quoted message said:


    I can however say that if someone has a high BG reading after meal or overnight fast, why not have
    a hearty low carb meal the night before and try fast for the whole working day, and plenty of
    water instead. You might be able to kickstart an ideal level BG readings that you are looking for.
    Many great religions and prophets encouraged fasting in one form or another for spiritual and
    health reasons. If you are not on meds or insulin and want to further control your BG - try
    fasting. It maybe good for you. We have heard of people having complications due to poor BG
    control. But, I have never heard of anybody in my lifetime, who have complications after fasting.
    Try. You never know.

    Ojatt Singapore.

    Many of the leaders of your religion do not believe that fasting is necessary for those with health
    conditions such as yours. You should consider the opinions of these people. Also, realize that as a
    diabetic, you face an increased risk of kidney problems at some point in your life. For that reason,
    fasting from water and fluids could be very dangerous to your health, particularly since you live in
    a hot climate.

  6. ojatt said:

    Hello. Greetings from Singapore. Its the first day of Ramadan. As a Muslim and a type 2 diabetic,
    diagnosed 3 months ago, I have to fulfill my religious obligation, to fast from dawn to dusk,
    without food and water.

    As a diabetic, you are exempt from fasting.

    submission.orgramadan health.html and, from the International Journal of Ramadan
    Fasting: labs.netj98ar2.htm

    FASTING GUIDELINES TO DIABETICS During the last two decades, a better understanding of
    pathophysiological changes during Ramadan fasting in diabetic patients has provided a few guidelines
    on how to advise diabetics who want to fast. Physicians working with Muslim diabetics should employ
    certain criteria to advise their patients regarding the safety of Ramadan fasting.

    The following criteria should be helpful in making such a decision (20,37):

    Forbid fasting in:
    * All brittle type I diabetic patients;
    * Poorly controlled type I or type II diabetic patients;
    * Diabetic patients known to be incompliant in terms of following advice on diet drug regimens and
    daily activity;
    * Diabetic patients with serious complications such as unstable angina or uncontrolled hypertension;
    * Patients with a history of diabetic ketoacidosis;
    * Pregnant diabetic patients;
    * Diabetic patients will inter-current infections;
    * Elderly patients with any degree of alertness problems;
    * Two or more episodes of hypoglycemia and/or hyperglycemia during Ramadan.

    Regards,

    James the Elder

  7. "Andrea" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "ojatt"


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Its the first day of Ramadan. As a Muslim and a type 2 diabetic,


    diagnosed 3

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    months ago, I have to fulfill my religious obligation, to fast from dawn


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    dusk, without food and water.

    I'm curious...

    In both Christianity and Judaism there are exemptions from fasting if it


    is

    Quoted message said:

    dangerous to your health. Does Islam not have similar rules? You mention


    not

    Quoted message said:

    being able to test during the day. As a non-Muslim, it would seem that testing occasionally to
    make sure you are not endangering your health*


    would

    Quoted message said:

    fall within the spirit of Ramadan.

    (* Or the health of others. Depending on your profession, becoming hypoglycemic could endanger
    other people as well.)

    Quite simply, he is wrong! I have looked this up. Most of the links here (and I grabbed them at
    random) say that fasting is forbidden for people with certain medical conditions. Diabetes is one
    such condition. Some of the articles mention that some diabetics are loathe to abstain from
    fasting, so it offers some precautions they should take. And they definitely should test if they
    decide to fast.

    islam-usa.comh9.html

    submission.orgramadan health.html

    alinaam.org.zadfasting.htm

    crescentlife.comfasting and diabetes.htm

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  8. steinar_m said:


    Sometihing just came in to my head.. the further north you are, the easier it would be to fast.
    Fasting from dusk till dawn here would be 5-6 hours.. ;o)

    Steinar

    Considering Singapore's location, the difference from 12 hrs would be a matter of minutes.

    Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise.
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    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  9. Andrea said:

    In both Christianity and Judaism there are exemptions from fasting if it is dangerous to your
    health. Does Islam not have similar rules? You mention not being able to test during the day. As a
    non-Muslim, it would seem that testing occasionally to make sure you are not endangering your
    health* would fall within the spirit of Ramadan.

    It's amazing how practical religions are on issues of observances. As has already been pointed
    out, you're right here about diabetics being exempt from Islamic fasting requirements; but my
    favourite example of practicality is advice on what to do if you're lost in the desert and lose
    track of what day it is: "Pick a day arbitrarily, and nominate it as the Sabbath. Thereafter,
    practice your normal observances on that day until you encounter someone who can tell you when the
    real Sabbath is."

    Colin Percival

  10. Thanks for the info. It seems I have not fallen into those catergories of diabetics you mentioned.
    Currently my recent HBA1c reading of 6.9 (which is my first ever test). Not bad, but foresee this to
    go down further once I can manage even tighter control during this fasting month. I am not on meds
    and on diet and exercise control. As far as I know, Singaporean Muslims, including those with
    diabetes, are obligated to fast during Ramadhan. However exceptions can be made for those who are
    very ill or who have medical conditions that do not permit fasting.

    Tips for a safe Fasting
    . You should learn how to monitor your glucose levels and how to check your urine for ketones.
    . Some degree of physical activity should be maintained. However, over- exertion is discouraged.
    . Total caloric intake must be maintained.
    . Simple sugars should still be avoided.
    . It is important to maintain adequate hydration.

    Medication Consult your doctor on changes in the dosage and timing of your medications.

    "JHEM" <James@ESAD_SPAMMERS.thinkpads.com> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    ojatt said:

    Hello. Greetings from Singapore. Its the first day of Ramadan. As a Muslim and a type 2
    diabetic, diagnosed 3 months ago, I have to fulfill my religious obligation, to fast from dawn
    to dusk, without food and water.

    As a diabetic, you are exempt from fasting.

    submission.orgramadan health.html and, from the International Journal of Ramadan
    Fasting: labs.netj98ar2.htm

    FASTING GUIDELINES TO DIABETICS During the last two decades, a better understanding of
    pathophysiological changes during Ramadan fasting in diabetic patients has provided a few
    guidelines on how to advise diabetics who want to fast. Physicians working with Muslim diabetics
    should employ certain criteria to advise their patients regarding the safety of Ramadan fasting.

    The following criteria should be helpful in making such a decision


    (20,37):

    Quoted message said:


    Forbid fasting in:
    * All brittle type I diabetic patients;
    * Poorly controlled type I or type II diabetic patients;
    * Diabetic patients known to be incompliant in terms of following advice


    on

    Quoted message said:

    diet drug regimens and daily activity;
    * Diabetic patients with serious complications such as unstable angina or uncontrolled
    hypertension;
    * Patients with a history of diabetic ketoacidosis;
    * Pregnant diabetic patients;
    * Diabetic patients will inter-current infections;
    * Elderly patients with any degree of alertness problems;
    * Two or more episodes of hypoglycemia and/or hyperglycemia during


    Ramadan.

    Quoted message said:


    Regards,

    James the Elder

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    "Alan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    steinar_m said:


    Sometihing just came in to my head.. the further north you are, the


    easier

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it would be to fast. Fasting from dusk till dawn here would be 5-6


    hours..

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ;o)

    Steinar

    Considering Singapore's location, the difference from 12 hrs would be a matter of minutes.

    Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Colin Andrew Percival said:

    It's amazing how practical religions are on issues of observances. As has already been pointed
    out, you're right here about diabetics being exempt from Islamic fasting requirements; but my
    favourite example of practicality is advice on what to do if you're lost in the desert and lose
    track of what day it is: "Pick a day arbitrarily, and nominate it as the Sabbath. Thereafter,
    practice your normal observances on that day until you encounter someone who can tell you when
    the real Sabbath is."

    It's so darned *sensible*! I have a mental image of a tribe of bearded desert nomads looking at each
    other and dope-slapping themselves. "Duh! why didn't we think of that?"

    Priscilla

  13. Thanks for the info. It seems I have not fallen into those catergories of diabetics that are
    exempted from fasting in the articles that you have directed. Currently my recent HBA1c reading of
    6.9 (which is my first ever test). Not bad, but foresee this to go down further once I can manage
    even tighter control during this fasting month. I am not on meds and on diet and exercise control.
    As far as I know, Singaporean Muslims, including those with diabetes, are obligated to fast during
    Ramadhan. However exceptions can be made for those who are very ill or who have medical conditions
    that do not permit fasting.

    Tips for a safe Fasting
    . You should learn how to monitor your glucose levels and how to check your urine for ketones.
    . Some degree of physical activity should be maintained. However, over- exertion is discouraged.
    . Total caloric intake must be maintained.
    . Simple sugars should still be avoided.
    . It is important to maintain adequate hydration.

    Medication Consult your doctor on changes in the dosage and timing of your medications.

    "Julie Bove" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Andrea" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "ojatt"


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Its the first day of Ramadan. As a Muslim and a type 2 diabetic,


    diagnosed 3

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    months ago, I have to fulfill my religious obligation, to fast from


    dawn

    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    dusk, without food and water.

    I'm curious...

    In both Christianity and Judaism there are exemptions from fasting if it


    is

    Quoted message said:

    dangerous to your health. Does Islam not have similar rules? You


    mention

    Quoted message said:

    not

    Quoted message said:

    being able to test during the day. As a non-Muslim, it would seem that testing occasionally to
    make sure you are not endangering your health*


    would

    Quoted message said:

    fall within the spirit of Ramadan.

    (* Or the health of others. Depending on your profession, becoming hypoglycemic could endanger
    other people as well.)

    Quite simply, he is wrong! I have looked this up. Most of the links here (and I grabbed them at
    random) say that fasting is forbidden for people


    with

    Quoted message said:

    certain medical conditions. Diabetes is one such condition. Some of the articles mention that some
    diabetics are loathe to abstain from fasting,


    so

    Quoted message said:

    it offers some precautions they should take. And they definitely should test if they decide
    to fast.

    islam-usa.comh9.html

    submission.orgramadan health.html

    alinaam.org.zadfasting.htm

    crescentlife.comfasting and diabetes.htm

    --
    Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jbove

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