no-one knows what hand signals are all about these days, so you may as well not bother". !!!
I once used the "I'm going to slow down/stop" one and got some very funny looks from people. I don't use it any more and instead typically indicate left as I pull in...
We used to do a "going round the roundabout signal" on the chaingang as we turned for home that would confuse non members. The guy at the front would make a circling motion whilst pointing down at the ground with the upper arm horizontal. The usual signal from those at the back was turning right.
Quoted message said:
I've never seen /anyone/ do the slow down/stop signal. Or indeed hand signals from a car, actually.
Oh I've seen hand signals from a car, but not the ones in the HC :-(
Sometimes I use a signal to say "I'm going straight on" - pointing up with a bent arm - when I can hear an edjit too close to me behind as I'm in the primary position at a junction. -- Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"
I've never seen /anyone/ do the slow down/stop signal. Or indeed hand signals from a car, actually.
I've used the slow down/stop hand signal from a car. Later I learnt where to tap the fusebox cover so the indicators and wipers worked again without needing to stop.
I tend to use it with my left hand on a bike to mean "I'm going to pull over and stop here where there isn't a junction, but there is a wide pavement with bike stands outside the shops".
I've never seen /anyone/ do the slow down/stop signal. Or indeed hand signals from a car, actually.
I have seen a left turn signal one. However on many occasions I have seen "get out of my way", "you sir are into self abuse", "look at my middle finger", "look at my middle and index fingers, I can still fire a bow" and others of a similar nature.
In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook [email hidden] says...
Quoted message said:
Sometimes I use a signal to say "I'm going straight on" - pointing up with a bent arm - when I can hear an edjit too close to me behind as I'm in the primary position at a junction.
That signal is intended to indicate to a person directing traffic that you want to go straight on, if memory serves - seems a reasonable adaptation to me.
In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook [email hidden] says...
Quoted message said:
Sometimes I use a signal to say "I'm going straight on" - pointing up with a bent arm - when I can hear an edjit too close to me behind as I'm in the primary position at a junction.
That signal is intended to indicate to a person directing traffic that you want to go straight on, if memory serves - seems a reasonable adaptation to me.
No, that is the hand shown palm forward, fingers up to the person directing the traffic. Part of the Highway Code when I learnt to drive.
-- Tony
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook [email hidden] says...
Quoted message said:
Sometimes I use a signal to say "I'm going straight on" - pointing up with a bent arm - when I can hear an edjit too close to me behind as I'm in the primary position at a junction.
That signal is intended to indicate to a person directing traffic that you want to go straight on, if memory serves - seems a reasonable adaptation to me.
No, that is the hand shown palm forward, fingers up to the person directing the traffic. Part of the Highway Code when I learnt to drive.
I can sort of remember it in old copies of the HC. I can't remember which hand you were supposed to use though. I did once glance at a /really/ old copy of the HC that had signals to be given by horsedrawn vehicles using a whip.
In article <[email hidden]>, Tony Raven [email hidden] says...
Quoted message said:
Rob Morley wrote on 20/06/2007 02:33 +0100:
Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook [email hidden] says...
Quoted message said:
Sometimes I use a signal to say "I'm going straight on" - pointing up with a bent arm - when I can hear an edjit too close to me behind as I'm in the primary position at a junction.
That signal is intended to indicate to a person directing traffic that you want to go straight on, if memory serves - seems a reasonable adaptation to me.
No, that is the hand shown palm forward, fingers up to the person directing the traffic. Part of the Highway Code when I learnt to drive.
I assumed "pointing up" referred to the general orientation of the forearm, and the palm would naturally be raised facing forwards when doing this. Did he mean pointing with a finger?
As Tony has said a human noise works a lot better, I find that "Excuse me please" works ~90% better than a bell, having never seen a bell make any different to a pedestrians path, and only had about 4 pedestrians fail to respond to "excuse me please". (Sample for bell is much lower than voice.) Niall
I find a single "dink" on my bell useful for warning horse riders up ahead before being close enough to scare the horse.
pk
Wonder if i should do that when in my car?
Or shall I carry on by, slowing down and wait until i can use the other side of the road and drive past?
I find a single "dink" on my bell useful for warning horse riders up ahead before being close enough to scare the horse.
pk
Wonder if i should do that when in my car?
Or shall I carry on by, slowing down and wait until i can use the other side of the road and drive past?
Which do you think is best?
How about coming up behind an animal whilst riding a nearly silent machine where it is safe to pass and not giving horse and rider fair warning. I make some noise (a quiet ding or a cough or whistle) some way before and slow down when I have to pass an animal. When I'm in the car it makes the noise for me.
It's not an impatient RING RING RING RING "get out of my way" but a polite ring "I'm here some way back and will be passing you shortly". -- Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:52:31 -0000, "The other view point, there is one
you know... said:
p.k. said:
Niall Wallace said:
As Tony has said a human noise works a lot better, I find that "Excuse me please" works ~90% better than a bell, having never seen a bell make any different to a pedestrians path, and only had about 4 pedestrians fail to respond to "excuse me please". (Sample for bell is much lower than voice.) Niall
I find a single "dink" on my bell useful for warning horse riders up ahead before being close enough to scare the horse.
Wonder if i should do that when in my car?
Cool. You have a bicycle bell in your car!!?? JPEGs!!!!
I make some noise (a quiet ding or a cough or whistle) some way before and slow down when I have to pass an animal.
I recite Jabberwocky when approaching and passing horses. That seems to help, though it might just perplex them into a stupor. It also avoids horsey types talking to me, which is good.
Tony Raven wrote: > Ben wrote on 16/06/2007 13:49 +0100: >> The problem with shouting at them is that by the time they've heard, >> turned round and stepped out of the way, I've reached them and had to >> come to a near-stop anyway. My aim is to be heard (and identified as a >> cyclist) in plenty of time so I don't have to slow down. >> > Well prepare to slow down then. You would not appreciate a car driver > bearing down on you, horn blaring and expecting you to get out of their > way so why should you expect it from pedestrians? I'll tell you why, because the bloody cycle path is so wide there's no reason 2 or 3 people should be obstructing it. 5 or 6 people walking abreast (as they always do) would need to reconfigure themselves, and I expect to have to stop and wait while they do it, 1 person is incapable of obstructing the path so is not an issue, but 2 or 3 people can easily walk abreast, perhaps with a dog or child or shopping bags, without being all bunched up and still leave plenty of room for a cyclist to pass. In such a situation I'm always tempted to make a comment to the effect that other people use the cycle way too.
if it's a shared path then yes you will have to slow, speed = road. shared paths are slow. the idea of a shared path is to share.
I take your point, but they need a noise behind them that they can hear before they'll step aside and share!
on shared paths i just pootle it's a path after all. i might say mourning evening or what not.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
In summer when we have a lot of tourists I find the same thing walking through town. The inconsiderate [censored] spread out 3,4,5,6 (however many it takes) abreast and make the locals walk in the road. The same thing happens in the park, visitors in walking boots spread out and make locals in ordinary shoes walk in the mud. If you stopped and stood your ground you'd just be stopping every few yards and never get anywhere.
um chill dude.
Fair enough ;-)
I'm just glad you didn't get me started on the ones that move here because they think its so nice and then join the local council and it becomes their mission in life to make the place exactly like where they came from and left because they didn't like it.
I make some noise (a quiet ding or a cough or whistle) some way before and slow down when I have to pass an animal.
I recite Jabberwocky when approaching and passing horses. That seems to help, though it might just perplex them into a stupor. It also avoids horsey types talking to me, which is good.
What and miss out on posh birds giving you a stern look and a smile?
I recite Jabberwocky when approaching and passing horses. That seems to help, though it might just perplex them into a stupor. It also avoids horsey types talking to me, which is good.
Having resumed riding cat food recently, I have pondered the sartorial question. Lycra or Leather jacket? Spd stirrups?
I haven't yet managed to arrange for my car to break down so that I have to turn up at the cat food factory with youngest on the tandem.
Having resumed riding cat food recently, I have pondered the sartorial question. Lycra or Leather jacket? Spd stirrups?
I've found motorbike leathers to be very comfortable for riding cat food, at least in cold weather.
-- Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/> Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often "Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down. Daddy, why did you put that down?" - Charlie Colyer, age 2
