Lou Ferrigno?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Kasaki Moko said:

Is he a real psycho?

Yes.

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Should he have won the Masters Olympia over Robby
Robinson?

Hell no.
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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <> > Is he a real psycho? > Yes.

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Why? is it because Arnold beat him? Ferrigno could have competed all those
years after 1975, and he quit.

Shouldn't a guy who is 6'7" have a gigantic [censored]? I would think Lou would be
one of the happiest and mellowest guys around.

"Kasaki Moko" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Is he a real psycho?

Watch Pumping Iron...

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Should he have won the Masters Olympia over Robby
Robinson?

No. Robby has better proportions.
BTW, he should have won in 77-79 as well...

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Pete

In article <[email hidden]>,

Kasaki Moko said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <> > Is he a real psycho? > Yes.

Quoted message said:

Why? is it because Arnold beat him? Ferrigno could have competed all those
years after 1975, and he quit.

Shouldn't a guy who is 6'7" have a gigantic [censored]? I would think Lou would be
one of the happiest and mellowest guys around.

Depends...

What was his shoe size?
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

Kasaki Moko said:

Is he a real psycho? Should he have won the Masters Olympia over Robby
Robinson?

No, is a great Sheriff though.

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Kasaki Moko said:

Is he a real psycho? Should he have won the Masters Olympia over Robby
Robinson?

No, is a great Sheriff though.

I was never a kid to have "heros" but I definitly knew who Lou Ferrigno
was. I always thought he deserved more than he ever got. Strange, but I
never knew that there was so much animosity towards the man?

TheGist said:

Quoted message said:

Kasaki Moko said:

Is he a real psycho? Should he have won the Masters Olympia over Robby
Robinson?

No, is a great Sheriff though.

I was never a kid to have "heros" but I definitly knew who Lou Ferrigno
was. I always thought he deserved more than he ever got. Strange, but I
never knew that there was so much animosity towards the man?

I agree. The Hulk came on either before or right after The Dukes of
Hazzard. Loved both shows. I think his speec/hearing held him back.
Sad.

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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <> > Is he a real psycho? > Yes.

Quoted message said:

Why? is it because Arnold beat him? Ferrigno could have competed all those
years after 1975, and he quit.

Shouldn't a guy who is 6'7" have a gigantic [censored]? I would think Lou would
be
one of the happiest and mellowest guys around.

Obsessed with muscle men's cocks? Why?

Kasaki Moko said:

Is he a real psycho?

Does his therapist post to MFW?

I'd guess he's no more psycho than any patron of this ng. Currently
having a pissing contest with his brother which probably puts him
closer to the statistical norm than to any manner of psychosis.

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Should he have won the Masters Olympia over Robby Robinson?

I gotta love Louie, but seriously - any contest between Robinson and
Ferrigno? My money's on Robbie! See: http://robbyrobinson.net/

Wait, you did mean the bodybuilder, right? Because...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbie_Robinson

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

<sonofabitchsky@ I never knew that there was so much animosity towards the
man?

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I agree. The Hulk came on either before or right after The Dukes of

Hazzard. Loved both shows. I think his speec/hearing held him back.>

I always thought Lou was a nice guy, and I agree that he probably has
overcome alot because he is deaf. He also probably blames some things on
being deaf.

Mike Mentzer, Sergio Oliva, and Lou Ferrigno all lost to Arnold in ways that
made Arnold seem larger than life, and those three all seem to have carried
alot of baggage due to losing to Arnold.

"Kasaki Moko" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Mike Mentzer, Sergio Oliva, and Lou Ferrigno all lost to Arnold in ways
that
made Arnold seem larger than life, and those three all seem to have
carried
alot of baggage due to losing to Arnold.

Sergio has beaten Arnold in 1969.
In 1972 Arnold won, but check out the pics... Sergio was freaky that year.

In 1980, well, what can i say...

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Pete

"Pete" <> In 1972 Arnold won, but check out the pics... Sergio was freaky
that year.

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Arnold beat Sergio and Mike Mentzer (1980) both due to Joe Weider cheating
to push Arnold's career forward.

Is Joe Weider a [censored]? Seems like a guy that spent his life greasing men up
is either a [censored] or a pimp or both.

Pete said:

"Kasaki Moko" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Mike Mentzer, Sergio Oliva, and Lou Ferrigno all lost to
Arnold in ways that made Arnold seem larger than life,
and those three all seem to have carried alot of baggage
due to losing to Arnold.

Sergio has beaten Arnold in 1969.
In 1972 Arnold won, but check out the pics... Sergio was
freaky that year.

Moko might be commenting on the idea that Arnold orchestrated using a
dark background to pose before in order to diminish the Sergio
freakyosity for the judges. What at least one writer offered, by
telling that story, makes Arnold out to be larger than life. And, of
course, the well documented Ferrigno tale of losing to Arnold by being
seemingly psyched out is told again and again in the film Pumping
Iron. Mike Mentzer's reaction to being told he had a big stomach or a
fat gut certainly added to Arnold's legend.

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In 1980, well, what can i say...

That it's good to have friends on the judging panel as well as the
promoter of the contest?

That it doesn't hurt to be taller than everyone else at the contest?
(Hmm, maybe I should have competed. I'm taller than Arnold.)

That having all those previous Mr. O titles served him well?

That a statement attributed to Arnold just might be true? Arnold said,
iirc, that his concept of judging physiques is summed up by the
question "Who would you rather look like?" Yes, although many of the
other competitors outmuscled Arnold in 1980, Arnold was taller,
broader, and possessed more star quality than the others combined.

And then there's the rumor that it was stone cold rigged - "Vee vill
haff you whacked if you don't vote for me as Meester Oleempeeyuh and
all dat stoff!" Or was it the promised _long drive off a short pier_
with Ted Kennedy as the chauffeur for the 1980 Olympia judges? If you
listen to the few 1980 Olympia tapes, you can clearly hear Maria
saying, "I know a guy..."

The world may never know.

In all seriousness, I wonder how both Mike and Ray Mentzer would have
seen their lives changed had Mike been crowned Mr. Olympia in 1980. I
wonder if Mike would have pulled a multiple O streak as others have
done since (and, yeah, before) that time. Would Mentzer still be
alive? And would a 1980 loss have damaged Arnold's star power and rise
to even greater fame and fortune? I doubt that Arnold would have felt
a hit. I believe that the judges may have cost Mike and Ray their very
lives or, at the very least, speeded their destruction along a bit.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

"Kasaki Moko" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Arnold beat Sergio and Mike Mentzer (1980)...

Only Mentzer. In 1980, that is.

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both due to Joe Weider cheating
to push Arnold's career forward.

I agree up to a point.
For commercial purposes, it was easier to use Arnold then Sergio *in the
late sixties/early seventies.*

Mike, in the late seventies, [censored] Arnold off bigtime, by claining his
training system was superior-high volume VS low volume- and that Arnold
would be even better had he used it.

A few weeks ago, i downloaded Arnolds comeback. He wasnt even NEAR his 1975
shape, let alone his appearance 1n 73-74, when he was at his best.

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Is Joe Weider a [censored]?

He is the head of the biggest bodybuilding federation in the world.
So it is safe to assume he likes being around muscular men...

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Seems like a guy that spent his life greasing men up
is either a [censored] or a pimp or both.

In my country, people uded to say that bodybuilders were homosexual pims
with a little [censored] and a minority complex. Which is, of course, [censored].

I am not a pimp.

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Pete

"Curt James" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sergio has beaten Arnold in 1969.
In 1972 Arnold won, but check out the pics... Sergio was
freaky that year.

Quoted message said:

Moko might be commenting on the idea that Arnold orchestrated using a
dark background to pose before in order to diminish the Sergio
freakyosity for the judges.

Did he do such a thing?
He actually used a different background?

BTW, my suspicioun was that using a dark background brings out more
detail/defenition.
Using a light background makes you appear bigger.

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What at least one writer offered, by
telling that story, makes Arnold out to be larger than life. And, of
course, the well documented Ferrigno tale of losing to Arnold by being
seemingly psyched out is told again and again in the film Pumping
Iron.

Arnold himself, in 2002, commented that the original Pumping Iron was real,
but some things were orchestrated.
Like the thing with Louis, or his father...

And yes, to make him appear larger then life.

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Mike Mentzer's reaction to being told he had a big stomach or a
fat gut certainly added to Arnold's legend.

What was his reaction? I missed that.

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In 1980, well, what can i say...

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That it's good to have friends on the judging panel as well as the
promoter of the contest?

Hehehe...
Wasnt Arnold part of the promoting *himself*?

BTW, i also think it was CLOSE in South Africa.
Reg Park lives in South Africa i believe...

But this is all speculation. Its a subjective "sport."

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That it doesn't hurt to be taller than everyone else at the contest?
(Hmm, maybe I should have competed. I'm taller than Arnold.)

Sometimes being taller is a disadvantage. Arnold was the exception.

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That having all those previous Mr. O titles served him well?

Sure. Arnold finishing second or third in Syndey. No way.

Quoted message said:

That a statement attributed to Arnold just might be true? Arnold said,
iirc, that his concept of judging physiques is summed up by the
question "Who would you rather look like?" Yes, although many of the
other competitors outmuscled Arnold in 1980, Arnold was taller,
broader, and possessed more star quality than the others combined.

Yes.
I n fact, i get bored after 10 minutes whatching Coleman or Cutler.

Quoted message said:

And then there's the rumor that it was stone cold rigged - "Vee vill
haff you whacked if you don't vote for me as Meester Oleempeeyuh and
all dat stoff!" Or was it the promised _long drive off a short pier_
with Ted Kennedy as the chauffeur for the 1980 Olympia judges? If you
listen to the few 1980 Olympia tapes, you can clearly hear Maria
saying, "I know a guy..."

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The world may never know.

No.
But i think Arnold should have stopped in 75.

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In all seriousness, I wonder how both Mike and Ray Mentzer would have
seen their lives changed had Mike been crowned Mr. Olympia in 1980. I
wonder if Mike would have pulled a multiple O streak as others have
done since (and, yeah, before) that time. Would Mentzer still be
alive? And would a 1980 loss have damaged Arnold's star power and rise
to even greater fame and fortune? I doubt that Arnold would have felt
a hit. I believe that the judges may have cost Mike and Ray their very
lives or, at the very least, speeded their destruction along a bit.

Mike was intelligent enough to see what happened.
I dont think that his early death had anything to do with him not winning
the O.

----
Pete

Pete said:

"Curt James" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sergio has beaten Arnold in 1969.
In 1972 Arnold won, but check out the pics... Sergio was
freaky that year.

Quoted message said:

Moko might be commenting on the idea that Arnold orchestrated using a
dark background to pose before in order to diminish the Sergio
freakyosity for the judges.

Did he do such a thing?

Unfortunately, I forget where I read that, Pete. It could have been in
Education of a Bodybuilder or that unauthorized bio by Wendy Leigh or
another book... True Myths of Arnold Schwarzenegger: The Life and
Times of Arnold Schwarzenegger, from Pumping Iron to Governor of
California. I haven't read Laurence Leamer's book yet, but have
browsed it and, yes, he does include info on Arnold's bodybuilding
days.

Anyway, I am almost certain I recall a statement attributed to
Schwarzenegger that he encouraged the posing room or area be changed
to one with a dark background during the O. He was seriously sweating
Sergio and the very real possibility of a loss. With the dark wood as
a background, Arnold stood out in great contrast while Sergio blended
in thus diminishing his overall impressiveness.

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He actually used a different background?

They both used the same background or area, but it helped Arnold while
hurting Sergio for the fact of less contrast.

Hmmm. There's also something about lighting bouncing around the inside
of my skull. Arnold manipulated the lighting so that Sergio was in the
shadows while he was lit perfectly? Regardless of my short and
longterm memory, Arnold was the king of self promotion and, yes,
manipulation.

Quoted message said:

BTW, my suspicioun was that using a dark background brings out more
detail/defenition.
Using a light background makes you appear bigger.

That may be true.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What at least one writer offered, by telling that story, makes
Arnold out to be larger than life. And, of course, the well documented
Ferrigno tale of losing to Arnold by being seemingly psyched out is
told again and again in the film Pumping Iron.

Arnold himself, in 2002, commented that the original Pumping Iron
was real, but some things were orchestrated.
Like the thing with Louis, or his father...

I saw a similar - or perhaps the same - interview or commentary by
Arnold in the DVD of Pumping Iron I mentioned elsewhere. I got it in
the mail and it was cracked, but when I watched the replacement they
had commentary by Arnold about that, his father's death and his
reaction to it, the Franco "bad adices" part, and also about the pot
smoking segment. Arnold has always been a politician.

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And yes, to make him appear larger then life.

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Mike Mentzer's reaction to being told he had a big stomach or a
fat gut certainly added to Arnold's legend.

What was his reaction? I missed that.

Mentzer reacted violently, but no blows were landed. The author said
that Arnold had some smugness wiped off his face, though, by Mentzer's
anger and the threat of physical contact. Likewise Arnold was reported
to have been intimidated by Kalman Szkalak during another altercation.
The author said there was an angry exchange which ended with Arnold
sitting down rather than allowing things to come to blows.

Look for the new Kal Szkalak/Lance Armstrong hybrid:
http://davedraper.com/forum/printthread.php/Cat/0/Board/Home/main/106613/type/thread

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In 1980, well, what can i say...

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That it's good to have friends on the judging panel as well as the
promoter of the contest?

Hehehe...
Wasnt Arnold part of the promoting *himself*?

Always. He's a genius in that regard as well as in many other areas.
If you believe what has been written over the years, he made his first
million from real estate and well before he made it big as the top
bodybuilder. He earned a degree while other bodybuilders were content
to relax on the beach. Arnold's where he is now, not because of anyone
pushing his career. Arnold is where he is because he followed his own
advice: Stay Hungry!

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BTW, i also think it was CLOSE in South Africa.
Reg Park lives in South Africa i believe...

But this is all speculation. Its a subjective "sport."

Absolutely.

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Quoted message said:

That it doesn't hurt to be taller than everyone else at the contest?
(Hmm, maybe I should have competed. I'm taller than Arnold.)

Sometimes being taller is a disadvantage. Arnold was the exception.

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That having all those previous Mr. O titles served him well?

Sure. Arnold finishing second or third in Syndey. No way.

Truly. There's just no way the other bodybuilders could overcome that
history and those affiliations - friends on the judging panel, the
promoter, and perhaps even the Weiders/IFBB outright fix.

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That a statement attributed to Arnold just might be true? Arnold said,
iirc, that his concept of judging physiques is summed up by the
question "Who would you rather look like?" Yes, although many of the
other competitors outmuscled Arnold in 1980, Arnold was taller,
broader, and possessed more star quality than the others combined.

Yes.
I n fact, i get bored after 10 minutes whatching Coleman or Cutler.

Cutler painted himself as a sad sack in that one mainstream magazine
article when he stated he lived in a ranch style home so he wouldn't
have to climb stairs. How sad is that? Perhaps truthful but when did
truth help your popularity? Such a salesman!

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And then there's the rumor that it was stone cold rigged - "Vee vill
haff you whacked if you don't vote for me as Meester Oleempeeyuh and
all dat stoff!" Or was it the promised _long drive off a short pier_
with Ted Kennedy as the chauffeur for the 1980 Olympia judges? If you
listen to the few 1980 Olympia tapes, you can clearly hear Maria
saying, "I know a guy..."

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The world may never know.

No.
But i think Arnold should have stopped in 75.

Agreed... almost. Arnold did get some coverage as he was leading into
Conan the Barbarian. But I suspect he would have stopped in 75 if not
for Mentzer's big mouth.

"Arnold won the Mr. Olympia title for a seventh time in 1980, but to
this day, many people still wonder why he came back." From:
http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/index.html

Why he came back? The publicity, of course, but also to rub it in
Mentzer's face that he could come back *at any time* and take back
what he (and apparently others) believed to be his title - Mr.Olympia
ALWAYS. Yup, Ahnuld über alles. ;o)

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In all seriousness, I wonder how both Mike and Ray Mentzer would have
seen their lives changed had Mike been crowned Mr. Olympia in 1980. I
wonder if Mike would have pulled a multiple O streak as others have
done since (and, yeah, before) that time. Would Mentzer still be
alive? And would a 1980 loss have damaged Arnold's star power and rise
to even greater fame and fortune? I doubt that Arnold would have felt
a hit. I believe that the judges may have cost Mike and Ray their very
lives or, at the very least, speeded their destruction along a bit.

Mike was intelligent enough to see what happened.

Intelligent, yes, but with the ability to overcome his own arrogance
and feelings of insult? I'm not so sure. And, if you believe the
inteverview found at http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mminter.htm then
you'll see it's obvious that Mentzer believed the IFBB was corrupt:

"The 1980 Mr. Olympia was definitely fixed. The promoter of that
contest was Paul Graham, a very, very close friend of Arnold's. As it
turned out, while the rules stated that individuals had to officially
enter their application to compete one month before the contest, the
IFBB bent the rule and let Arnold enter the day before! He waited that
long because by that point he knew who the judges were. CBS, who was
there to film the event for future televising, was convinced it was
fixed and discovered that a majority of the judges had either close
personal or financial ties with Arnold. Well, so convinced - and
[censored] - was CBS Sports that, despite the time, money and effort
required to send a film crew half way around the world to Australia to
film a sporting event, they refused to air that contest. As further
evidence, I suggest you view the video of the 1980 Mr. Olympia"
/copy and paste

http://www.fitwise.com/mike_mentzer_death.asp offers another Mentzer
quote:

"We may be able to send a man to the moon, but when it comes to
recognizing the rightful winner of the 1980 Olympia, mankind is surely
arrested in its development.''
/copy and paste

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I dont think that his early death had anything to do with him not winning
the O.

While those quotes don't provide anything close to proof that
Mentzer's early death had anyting to do with him not winning the O, I
still wonder where his life have gone had he won? Covers, articles,
money, perhaps Heavy Duty Inc. would have moved on to be one of the
bigger deals... if only briefly or perhaps to this day. Heavy Duty
gyms, supplements, seminars, contests - The Mike Mentzer Classic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Schwarzenegger

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mentzer

Errgh. Just compare the two. Not pretty.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

"Kasaki Moko" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"Pete" <> In 1972 Arnold won, but check out the pics... Sergio was freaky
that year.

Quoted message said:

Arnold beat Sergio and Mike Mentzer (1980) both due to Joe Weider cheating
to push Arnold's career forward.

What!? Professional bodybuilding is fixed?! I just don't believe it. Next
you're going to try and convince me that pro wrestling is fixed.

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Is Joe Weider a [censored]? Seems like a guy that spent his life greasing men up
is either a [censored] or a pimp or both.

You're jacking off furiously to a picture of Ronnie Coleman right now,
aren't you?

David

"David Cohen" <> You're jacking off furiously to a picture of Ronnie Coleman
right now, aren't you?

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I got past that a long time ago, when I bought the blow-up doll with the
vibrating penis.

"Kasaki Moko" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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"David Cohen" <> You're jacking off furiously to a picture of Ronnie
Coleman
right now, aren't you?

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I got past that a long time ago, when I bought the blow-up doll with the
vibrating penis.

Did you purchased the "gyno" version?

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Pete