Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.



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Jan

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>Subject: Re: Jan Drew lies again
>From: [email protected]
>Date: 12/29/2003 3:05 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>Isn't there a question of him using the Ph.d title after his M.D.?
>Something about when his credentials were checked with his University
>back "in the old country", such a program was not available until after
>he came to the U.S.?


Why do you ask questions Kathy, rather than look them up??

Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of Lublin,
Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he identified
naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the growth
of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.
 
I've asked you to show me one of these lies you
claim I made, but you have yet to do so.

Your last posting contained statements that you marked
off with stars (****). Do you claim that those statements
are lies from me? Most of those statements marked with stars
are not even statements I made. A lot of them are from
Christian Drapeau (then of Cell Tech) referring to me or
things I said. Surely you cannot count a statement made by
somebody other than me as an example of a lie that I told?

Some of those starred statements were made by you!
Surely you cannot use statements that you made as examples
of lies that I told, can you? That seems so unfair. )-;

Of the statements I made, none of them are false, therefore
they cannot be lies. Take for example:

**During the last several years, I have from time to time
posted to this and other newsgroups a file of information
called "An Anatoxin-a Primer." I now retract the statements
made in the Anatoxin-a Primer. ***

That's a quote of statements I made, but surely you're not
suggesting that this quoted passage itself contains a lie,
are you?

I'm saying I posted a file (true), and that I'm now
retracting it (also true).

Nothing in the quoted passage was untrue, right?

Therefore nothing in the quoted passage was a lie, right?

Now as regarding the statements _referred_to_ by the
quoted passage, I'm not aware of any that are false or
untrue. You did not quote from any of the statements
in the file referred to by the quoted passage. How odd.
That file is easily available, and it apparently (according
to you) contains lies, but you do not quote directly from it
when asked for an example of one of my (alleged) lies.

How very very odd.

Why is that?

Is it because there are no lies in that file?

If you disagree, let's see that statement.

Let's see an example of one of these lies.
 
[email protected] (Jan) wrote:

>>Subject: Re: Jan Drew lies again
>>From: [email protected]
>>Date: 12/29/2003 3:05 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>>
>>Isn't there a question of him using the Ph.d title after his M.D.?
>>Something about when his credentials were checked with his University
>>back "in the old country", such a program was not available until after
>>he came to the U.S.?

>
>Why do you ask questions Kathy, rather than look them up??
>
>Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of Lublin,
>Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he identified
>naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the growth
>of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.
>


When and where did he earn that PhD? Was it in Poland? Was the degree
awarded before or after he arrived in the US? University Microfilms do
not have it listed, and they have all US degrees going back to 1861.

The Medical Academy of Lublin has not yet got around to finishing
their English pages, but a search for "phd" brings up four responses.
They are not links, and for all I know "phd" might mean "student bar"
in Polish.

The Lublin University of Technology does not have a medical school.
http://www.pol.lublin.pl/?kat=171

The Institute of Agricultural Medicine does not appear to award PhDs,
and surely they would have listed Burzynski's ground-breaking work if
it had been done there.
http://www.imw.lublin.pl/index-e.html

The Medical University of Lublin does not have a web site.

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>Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
>From: Peter Bowditch [email protected]
>Date: 12/29/2003 10:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>[email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>
>>>Subject: Re: Jan Drew lies again
>>>From: [email protected]
>>>Date: 12/29/2003 3:05 PM Central Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>>>
>>>Isn't there a question of him using the Ph.d title after his M.D.?
>>>Something about when his credentials were checked with his University
>>>back "in the old country", such a program was not available until after
>>>he came to the U.S.?

>>
>>Why do you ask questions Kathy, rather than look them up??
>>
>>Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of Lublin,
>>Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he

>identified
>>naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the

>growth
>>of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.
>>

>
>When and where did he earn that PhD?


Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have none,
you aren't qualified to judge.

Jan
 
On 30 Dec 2003 22:00:20 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:


>>When and where did he earn that PhD?

>
>Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have none,
>you aren't qualified to judge.


Since Jan apparently thinks that she is qualified to judge I wonder
where she got her PhD??:))))

Aloha,

Rich
>
>Jan


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On 30 Dec 2003 22:00:20 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:

>Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have none,
>you aren't qualified to judge.
>
>Jan


Then it appears that you have no basis to judge anyone with a High School
diploma nor higher education.
 
>Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
>From: WB [email protected]
>Date: 12/30/2003 2:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>On 30 Dec 2003 22:00:20 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>
>>Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have

>none,
>>you aren't qualified to judge.
>>
>>Jan

>
>Then it appears that you have no basis to judge anyone with a High School
>diploma nor higher education.


I am not on a committee that judges who is a quack, Peter is. He is unqualified
to do so, further more this story flying around here that I am a high school
drop out, is false.

I am qualified to judge you from your posts and I am not impressed.

Troll.

Jan
 
On 30 Dec 2003 23:34:45 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:

>>Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
>>From: WB [email protected]
>>Date: 12/30/2003 2:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>>
>>On 30 Dec 2003 22:00:20 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>>
>>>Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have

>>none,
>>>you aren't qualified to judge.
>>>
>>>Jan

>>
>>Then it appears that you have no basis to judge anyone with a High School
>>diploma nor higher education.

>
>I am not on a committee that judges who is a quack, Peter is.
>He is unqualified to do so,


Because *you* say so ? Unlikely.

>further more this story flying around here that I am a high school
>drop out, is false.


Proof please.
>
>I am qualified to judge you from your posts and I am not impressed.
>

Judge not...

>Troll.


Anti-Christ
>
>Jan


WB
 
"Jan" <[email protected]>.................


> I am not on a committee that judges who is a quack, Peter is. He is

unqualified
> to do so, further more this story flying around here that I am a high

school
> drop out, is false....................


I want to state for the record that I *Never* believed this for a minute.
Whoever started this should retract it.

You have to finish 8th grade to even get in high school, much less drop out.

Thanks again Jan. I know I can always count on you. (VBG)

carabelli
 
In article <[email protected]>, Rich <,@.> wrote:
>On 30 Dec 2003 22:00:20 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>
>
>>>When and where did he earn that PhD?

>>
>>Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have none,
>>you aren't qualified to judge.

>
>Since Jan apparently thinks that she is qualified to judge I wonder
>where she got her PhD??:))))


Even better, I *do* have a PhD, so by Jan's standards, I am qualified
to judge "Dr" Cee.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
 
>Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
>From: WB [email protected]
>Date: 12/30/2003 4:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>On 30 Dec 2003 23:34:45 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>
>>>Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
>>>From: WB [email protected]
>>>Date: 12/30/2003 2:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>>>
>>>On 30 Dec 2003 22:00:20 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have
>>>none,
>>>>you aren't qualified to judge.
>>>>
>>>>Jan
>>>
>>>Then it appears that you have no basis to judge anyone with a High School
>>>diploma nor higher education.

>>
>>I am not on a committee that judges who is a quack, Peter is.
>>He is unqualified to do so,

>
>Because *you* say so ? Unlikely.


No, because he said so. He has no medical qualifications.

>further more this story flying around here that I am a high school
>>drop out, is false.

>
>Proof please.


Sure, Call Stinesville School and see if a Jan graduated in 1957.

>>I am qualified to judge you from your posts and I am not impressed.
>>

>Judge not...


Take your own advice.

>>Troll.

>


>>Jan
 
>Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
>From: [email protected] (David Wright)
>Date: 12/30/2003 5:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>In article <[email protected]>, Rich <,@.> wrote:
>>On 30 Dec 2003 22:00:20 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>When and where did he earn that PhD?
>>>
>>>Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have

>none,
>>>you aren't qualified to judge.

>>
>>Since Jan apparently thinks that she is qualified to judge I wonder
>>where she got her PhD??:))))

>
>Even better, I *do* have a PhD, so by Jan's standards, I am qualified
>to judge "Dr" Cee.


Umm, the subject was Dr Burzynski, try to follow along.

Where did you get your Ph.D?? Grade average? Year? School? Degree in what??

Jan
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote....................

>
> Sure, Call Stinesville School and see if a Jan graduated in 1957.
>


I couldn't believe they had this information. Not only did Jan get a GED in
'57 (amazing isn't it) they also offered that she was the most abusive Hall
Monitor in the history of Stinesville High.

carabelli
 
[email protected] (Jan) wrote:

>>Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
>>From: Peter Bowditch [email protected]
>>Date: 12/29/2003 10:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>>
>>[email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>>
>>>>Subject: Re: Jan Drew lies again
>>>>From: [email protected]
>>>>Date: 12/29/2003 3:05 PM Central Standard Time
>>>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>>Isn't there a question of him using the Ph.d title after his M.D.?
>>>>Something about when his credentials were checked with his University
>>>>back "in the old country", such a program was not available until after
>>>>he came to the U.S.?
>>>
>>>Why do you ask questions Kathy, rather than look them up??
>>>
>>>Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of Lublin,
>>>Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he

>>identified
>>>naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the

>>growth
>>>of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.
>>>

>>
>>When and where did he earn that PhD?

>
>Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have none,
>you aren't qualified to judge.
>
>Jan


I don'r believe I have ever mentioned my academic qualifications here.
As it happens I also have a PhD.

You tell me where Burzynski got his, and I will tell you where I got
mine.

Jan snipped the bit about how University Microfilms have every US PhD
since 1861 in their data base, but none of them were written by
Stanislaw Burzynski.

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>Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
>From: Peter Bowditch [email protected]
>Date: 12/30/2003 11:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>[email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>
>>>Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
>>>From: Peter Bowditch [email protected]
>>>Date: 12/29/2003 10:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>>>
>>>[email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Subject: Re: Jan Drew lies again
>>>>>From: [email protected]
>>>>>Date: 12/29/2003 3:05 PM Central Standard Time
>>>>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>>>>>
>>>>>Isn't there a question of him using the Ph.d title after his M.D.?
>>>>>Something about when his credentials were checked with his University
>>>>>back "in the old country", such a program was not available until after
>>>>>he came to the U.S.?
>>>>
>>>>Why do you ask questions Kathy, rather than look them up??
>>>>
>>>>Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of Lublin,
>>>>Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he
>>>identified
>>>>naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the
>>>growth
>>>>of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.
>>>>
>>>
>>>When and where did he earn that PhD?

>>
>>Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have

>none,
>>you aren't qualified to judge.
>>
>>Jan

>
>I don'r believe I have ever mentioned my academic qualifications here.
>As it happens I also have a PhD.


You mentioned you have no medical traning. Therefore you aren't qualified to be
on a commitee as an advisor on medical matters.

>You tell me where Burzynski got his, and I will tell you where I got
>mine.
>

I don't really care *where* he got it. His works stand on thier own.

From 1970 to 1977, he served as a researcher and assistant professor at the
Baylor School of Medicine in Houston, Texas, where his research was sponsored
and partially funded by the National Cancer Institute. In May 1977 he founded
the Burzynski Clinic in Houston where he has treated over 8,000 patients. He
also serves as director of the Burzynski Research Institute, where he continues
to pursue scientific research on causes and treatments for cancer. Dr.
Burzynski, is the author and co-author of 182 scientific publications and is
the recipient of numerous prestigious awards. He currently holds 160 patents in
35 countries for his treatments and inventions, and he has been the subject of
many articles and interviews.

Other groups have replicated and expanded Dr. Burzynski’s work, including the
National Cancer Institute, the Medical College of Georgia, the Imperial College
of London and the University of Kurume Medical School in Japan

He was vindicated of all the trumpted up charges by certain witch hunters.

Since that didn't work, you are looking for another dirty tactic, is that
correct, Peter??

Is this sort of thing why there is a meeting in Las Vegas??

His background is in the medical field, his accomplishments are listed.

What makes you think you with NO medical background are qualified to judge
him??

Is EOM scared to death he does have a cure???

The role you play was exposed.

While people continue to suffer, you are playing power games.

However, there is a judge with all the correct qualifications who will judge
each and everyone, some day.

Yes, he will even judge Satan, his powers will be stripped.

He introduced the power game with Eve, he has been and is successful in
deceiving.

We see his works here, sometimes causing people to talk out of both sides of
their mouths.

God will not judge according to anyone's degree, what they have done for
humanity, plus their faith and love for him will come into play.

Think about it, before it is too late.

Jan
 
>In article <[email protected]>, Rich <,@.> wrote:
>>On 30 Dec 2003 22:00:20 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>When and where did he earn that PhD?
>>>
>>>Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have

>none,
>>>you aren't qualified to judge.

>>
>>Since Jan apparently thinks that she is qualified to judge I wonder
>>where she got her PhD??:))))

>
>Even better, I *do* have a PhD, so by Jan's standards, I am qualified
>to judge "Dr" Cee.


Judge Wright, just how do you find the defendant & Chalupa container, Chuck
P(seudo_)h(ealth_)Dr?


> -- David Wright
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
> >From: Peter Bowditch [email protected]
> >Date: 12/29/2003 10:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
> >[email protected] (Jan) wrote:
> >
> >>>Subject: Re: Jan Drew lies again
> >>>From: [email protected]
> >>>Date: 12/29/2003 3:05 PM Central Standard Time
> >>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >>>
> >>>Isn't there a question of him using the Ph.d title after his M.D.?
> >>>Something about when his credentials were checked with his University
> >>>back "in the old country", such a program was not available until

after
> >>>he came to the U.S.?
> >>
> >>Why do you ask questions Kathy, rather than look them up??
> >>
> >>Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of

Lublin,
> >>Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he

> >identified
> >>naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the

> >growth
> >>of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.
> >>

> >
> >When and where did he earn that PhD?

>
> Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have

none,
> you aren't qualified to judge.


And Stephen Barrett has an MD degree and, by your logic, is qualified to
judge. You just do not like his judgements.
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
> >From: [email protected] (David Wright)
> >Date: 12/30/2003 5:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
> >In article <[email protected]>, Rich <,@.>

wrote:
> >>On 30 Dec 2003 22:00:20 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>When and where did he earn that PhD?
> >>>
> >>>Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you

have
> >none,
> >>>you aren't qualified to judge.
> >>
> >>Since Jan apparently thinks that she is qualified to judge I wonder
> >>where she got her PhD??:))))

> >
> >Even better, I *do* have a PhD, so by Jan's standards, I am qualified
> >to judge "Dr" Cee.

>
> Umm, the subject was Dr Burzynski, try to follow along.
>
> Where did you get your Ph.D?? Grade average? Year? School? Degree in

what??

Why is this relevant to David, when it is not relevant, according to you,
regarding Burzynski?

Are you applying a double standard? Of course you are.
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
> >From: WB [email protected]
> >Date: 12/30/2003 2:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
> >On 30 Dec 2003 22:00:20 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
> >
> >>Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you

have
> >none,
> >>you aren't qualified to judge.
> >>
> >>Jan

> >
> >Then it appears that you have no basis to judge anyone with a High School
> >diploma nor higher education.

>
> I am not on a committee that judges who is a quack, Peter is. He is

unqualified
> to do so, further more this story flying around here that I am a high

school
> drop out, is false.


However, you proceed to judge Barrett, et al who have advianced degrees, and
dismiss them outright. Of course, you do this as you disagree with them, and
not on the merits of your position.

> I am qualified to judge you from your posts and I am not impressed.


Janny, you have been judged, and found lacking.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Mark ProbertDecember 31, 2002" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> "Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > >Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
> > >From: Peter Bowditch [email protected]
> > >Date: 12/29/2003 10:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
> > >Message-id: <[email protected]>



> > >When and where did he earn that PhD?

> >
> > Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have

> none,
> > you aren't qualified to judge.

>
> And Stephen Barrett has an MD degree and, by your logic, is qualified to
> judge. You just do not like his judgements.


Well, you understand, to Jan, an MD provides authority when the
particular person holding the MD is pro-alt. However, if a person with
an MD is anti-alt, then the MD makes him a tool of eeevvvilll
conventional medicine.

I hope that clears things up. ;-)

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| inconvenience me with questions?"