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  1. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Jan Drew lies again
    From: [email hidden]
    Date: 12/29/2003 3:05 PM Central Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Isn't there a question of him using the Ph.d title after his M.D.?
    Something about when his credentials were checked with his University
    back "in the old country", such a program was not available until after
    he came to the U.S.?

    Why do you ask questions Kathy, rather than look them up??

    Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of Lublin,
    Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he identified
    naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the growth
    of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.

  2. I've asked you to show me one of these lies you
    claim I made, but you have yet to do so.

    Your last posting contained statements that you marked
    off with stars (****). Do you claim that those statements
    are lies from me? Most of those statements marked with stars
    are not even statements I made. A lot of them are from
    Christian Drapeau (then of Cell Tech) referring to me or
    things I said. Surely you cannot count a statement made by
    somebody other than me as an example of a lie that I told?

    Some of those starred statements were made by you!
    Surely you cannot use statements that you made as examples
    of lies that I told, can you? That seems so unfair. )-;

    Of the statements I made, none of them are false, therefore
    they cannot be lies. Take for example:

    **During the last several years, I have from time to time
    posted to this and other newsgroups a file of information
    called "An Anatoxin-a Primer." I now retract the statements
    made in the Anatoxin-a Primer. ***

    That's a quote of statements I made, but surely you're not
    suggesting that this quoted passage itself contains a lie,
    are you?

    I'm saying I posted a file (true), and that I'm now
    retracting it (also true).

    Nothing in the quoted passage was untrue, right?

    Therefore nothing in the quoted passage was a lie, right?

    Now as regarding the statements _referred_to_ by the
    quoted passage, I'm not aware of any that are false or
    untrue. You did not quote from any of the statements
    in the file referred to by the quoted passage. How odd.
    That file is easily available, and it apparently (according
    to you) contains lies, but you do not quote directly from it
    when asked for an example of one of my (alleged) lies.

    How very very odd.

    Why is that?

    Is it because there are no lies in that file?

    If you disagree, let's see that statement.

    Let's see an example of one of these lies.

  3. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Jan Drew lies again
    From: [email hidden]
    Date: 12/29/2003 3:05 PM Central Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Isn't there a question of him using the Ph.d title after his M.D.?
    Something about when his credentials were checked with his University
    back "in the old country", such a program was not available until after
    he came to the U.S.?

    Why do you ask questions Kathy, rather than look them up??

    Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of Lublin,
    Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he identified
    naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the growth
    of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.

    When and where did he earn that PhD? Was it in Poland? Was the degree
    awarded before or after he arrived in the US? University Microfilms do
    not have it listed, and they have all US degrees going back to 1861.

    The Medical Academy of Lublin has not yet got around to finishing
    their English pages, but a search for "phd" brings up four responses.
    They are not links, and for all I know "phd" might mean "student bar"
    in Polish.

    The Lublin University of Technology does not have a medical school.
    http://www.pol.lublin.pl/?kat=171

    The Institute of Agricultural Medicine does not appear to award PhDs,
    and surely they would have listed Burzynski's ground-breaking work if
    it had been done there.
    http://www.imw.lublin.pl/index-e.html

    The Medical University of Lublin does not have a web site.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
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  4. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/29/2003 10:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Jan Drew lies again
    From: [email hidden]
    Date: 12/29/2003 3:05 PM Central Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Isn't there a question of him using the Ph.d title after his M.D.?
    Something about when his credentials were checked with his University
    back "in the old country", such a program was not available until after
    he came to the U.S.?

    Why do you ask questions Kathy, rather than look them up??

    Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of Lublin,
    Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he


    identified

    Quoted message said:

    naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the


    growth

    Quoted message said:

    of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.

    When and where did he earn that PhD?

    Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have none,
    you aren't qualified to judge.

    Jan

  5. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    When and where did he earn that PhD?

    Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have none,
    you aren't qualified to judge.

    Since Jan apparently thinks that she is qualified to judge I wonder
    where she got her PhD??:-))))

    Aloha,

    Rich

    Quoted message said:


    Jan

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    The best defense to logic is ignorance.

  6. (Jan) said:

    Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have none,
    you aren't qualified to judge.

    Jan

    Then it appears that you have no basis to judge anyone with a High School
    diploma nor higher education.

  7. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
    From: WB [email hidden]
    Date: 12/30/2003 2:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:

    Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have


    none,

    Quoted message said:

    you aren't qualified to judge.

    Jan

    Then it appears that you have no basis to judge anyone with a High School
    diploma nor higher education.

    I am not on a committee that judges who is a quack, Peter is. He is unqualified
    to do so, further more this story flying around here that I am a high school
    drop out, is false.

    I am qualified to judge you from your posts and I am not impressed.

    Troll.

    Jan

  8. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
    From: WB [email hidden]
    Date: 12/30/2003 2:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:

    Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have


    none,

    Quoted message said:

    you aren't qualified to judge.

    Jan

    Then it appears that you have no basis to judge anyone with a High School
    diploma nor higher education.

    I am not on a committee that judges who is a quack, Peter is.
    He is unqualified to do so,

    Because *you* say so ? Unlikely.

    Quoted message said:

    further more this story flying around here that I am a high school
    drop out, is false.

    Proof please.

    Quoted message said:


    I am qualified to judge you from your posts and I am not impressed.


    Judge not...

    Quoted message said:

    Troll.

    Anti-Christ

    Quoted message said:


    Jan

    WB

  9. "Jan" <[email hidden]>.................

    Quoted message said:

    I am not on a committee that judges who is a quack, Peter is. He is


    unqualified

    Quoted message said:

    to do so, further more this story flying around here that I am a high


    school

    Quoted message said:

    drop out, is false....................

    I want to state for the record that I *Never* believed this for a minute.
    Whoever started this should retract it.

    You have to finish 8th grade to even get in high school, much less drop out.

    Thanks again Jan. I know I can always count on you. (VBG)

    carabelli

  10. In article said:
    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    When and where did he earn that PhD?

    Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have none,
    you aren't qualified to judge.

    Since Jan apparently thinks that she is qualified to judge I wonder
    where she got her PhD??:-))))

    Even better, I *do* have a PhD, so by Jan's standards, I am qualified
    to judge "Dr" Cee.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  11. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
    From: WB [email hidden]
    Date: 12/30/2003 4:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
    From: WB [email hidden]
    Date: 12/30/2003 2:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    On 30 Dec 2003 22:00:20 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

    >Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have
    none,
    >you aren't qualified to judge.
    >
    >Jan

    Then it appears that you have no basis to judge anyone with a High School
    diploma nor higher education.

    I am not on a committee that judges who is a quack, Peter is.
    He is unqualified to do so,

    Because *you* say so ? Unlikely.

    No, because he said so. He has no medical qualifications.

    Quoted message said:

    further more this story flying around here that I am a high school

    Quoted message said:

    drop out, is false.

    Proof please.

    Sure, Call Stinesville School and see if a Jan graduated in 1957.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I am qualified to judge you from your posts and I am not impressed.


    Judge not...

    Take your own advice.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Troll.


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Jan

  12. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 12/30/2003 5:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article said:
    (Jan) said:

    >When and where did he earn that PhD?

    Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have


    none,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you aren't qualified to judge.

    Since Jan apparently thinks that she is qualified to judge I wonder
    where she got her PhD??:-))))

    Even better, I *do* have a PhD, so by Jan's standards, I am qualified
    to judge "Dr" Cee.

    Umm, the subject was Dr Burzynski, try to follow along.

    Where did you get your Ph.D?? Grade average? Year? School? Degree in what??

    Jan

  13. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote....................

    Quoted message said:


    Sure, Call Stinesville School and see if a Jan graduated in 1957.

    I couldn't believe they had this information. Not only did Jan get a GED in
    '57 (amazing isn't it) they also offered that she was the most abusive Hall
    Monitor in the history of Stinesville High.

    carabelli

  14. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/29/2003 10:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:

    >Subject: Re: Jan Drew lies again
    >From: [email hidden]
    >Date: 12/29/2003 3:05 PM Central Standard Time
    >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >
    >Isn't there a question of him using the Ph.d title after his M.D.?
    >Something about when his credentials were checked with his University
    >back "in the old country", such a program was not available until after
    >he came to the U.S.?

    Why do you ask questions Kathy, rather than look them up??

    Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of Lublin,
    Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he


    identified

    Quoted message said:

    naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the


    growth

    Quoted message said:

    of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.

    When and where did he earn that PhD?

    Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have none,
    you aren't qualified to judge.

    Jan

    I don'r believe I have ever mentioned my academic qualifications here.
    As it happens I also have a PhD.

    You tell me where Burzynski got his, and I will tell you where I got
    mine.

    Jan snipped the bit about how University Microfilms have every US PhD
    since 1861 in their data base, but none of them were written by
    Stanislaw Burzynski.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
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  15. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/30/2003 11:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/29/2003 10:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

    >>Subject: Re: Jan Drew lies again
    >>From: [email hidden]
    >>Date: 12/29/2003 3:05 PM Central Standard Time
    >>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >>
    >>Isn't there a question of him using the Ph.d title after his M.D.?
    >>Something about when his credentials were checked with his University
    >>back "in the old country", such a program was not available until after
    >>he came to the U.S.?
    >
    >Why do you ask questions Kathy, rather than look them up??
    >
    >Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of Lublin,
    >Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he
    identified
    >naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the
    growth
    >of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.
    >

    When and where did he earn that PhD?

    Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have


    none,

    Quoted message said:

    you aren't qualified to judge.

    Jan

    I don'r believe I have ever mentioned my academic qualifications here.
    As it happens I also have a PhD.

    You mentioned you have no medical traning. Therefore you aren't qualified to be
    on a commitee as an advisor on medical matters.

    Quoted message said:

    You tell me where Burzynski got his, and I will tell you where I got
    mine.


    I don't really care *where* he got it. His works stand on thier own.

    From 1970 to 1977, he served as a researcher and assistant professor at the
    Baylor School of Medicine in Houston, Texas, where his research was sponsored
    and partially funded by the National Cancer Institute. In May 1977 he founded
    the Burzynski Clinic in Houston where he has treated over 8,000 patients. He
    also serves as director of the Burzynski Research Institute, where he continues
    to pursue scientific research on causes and treatments for cancer. Dr.
    Burzynski, is the author and co-author of 182 scientific publications and is
    the recipient of numerous prestigious awards. He currently holds 160 patents in
    35 countries for his treatments and inventions, and he has been the subject of
    many articles and interviews.

    Other groups have replicated and expanded Dr. Burzynski’s work, including the
    National Cancer Institute, the Medical College of Georgia, the Imperial College
    of London and the University of Kurume Medical School in Japan

    He was vindicated of all the trumpted up charges by certain witch hunters.

    Since that didn't work, you are looking for another dirty tactic, is that
    correct, Peter??

    Is this sort of thing why there is a meeting in Las Vegas??

    His background is in the medical field, his accomplishments are listed.

    What makes you think you with NO medical background are qualified to judge
    him??

    Is EOM scared to death he does have a cure???

    The role you play was exposed.

    While people continue to suffer, you are playing power games.

    However, there is a judge with all the correct qualifications who will judge
    each and everyone, some day.

    Yes, he will even judge Satan, his powers will be stripped.

    He introduced the power game with Eve, he has been and is successful in
    deceiving.

    We see his works here, sometimes causing people to talk out of both sides of
    their mouths.

    God will not judge according to anyone's degree, what they have done for
    humanity, plus their faith and love for him will come into play.

    Think about it, before it is too late.

    Jan

  16. Quoted message said:
    In article said:
    (Jan) said:

    >When and where did he earn that PhD?

    Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have


    none,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you aren't qualified to judge.

    Since Jan apparently thinks that she is qualified to judge I wonder
    where she got her PhD??:-))))

    Even better, I *do* have a PhD, so by Jan's standards, I am qualified
    to judge "Dr" Cee.

    Judge Wright, just how do you find the defendant & Chalupa container, Chuck
    P(seudo_)h(ealth_)Dr?

    Quoted message said:

    -- David Wright

  17. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/29/2003 10:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:

    >Subject: Re: Jan Drew lies again
    >From: [email hidden]
    >Date: 12/29/2003 3:05 PM Central Standard Time
    >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >
    >Isn't there a question of him using the Ph.d title after his M.D.?
    >Something about when his credentials were checked with his University
    >back "in the old country", such a program was not available until


    after

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >he came to the U.S.?

    Why do you ask questions Kathy, rather than look them up??

    Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of


    Lublin,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he


    identified

    Quoted message said:

    naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the


    growth

    Quoted message said:

    of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.

    When and where did he earn that PhD?

    Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have


    none,

    Quoted message said:

    you aren't qualified to judge.

    And Stephen Barrett has an MD degree and, by your logic, is qualified to
    judge. You just do not like his judgements.

  18. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 12/30/2003 5:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <[email hidden]>, Rich <,@.>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On 30 Dec 2003 22:00:20 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

    >>When and where did he earn that PhD?
    >
    >Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    none,

    Quoted message said:

    >you aren't qualified to judge.

    Since Jan apparently thinks that she is qualified to judge I wonder
    where she got her PhD??:-))))

    Even better, I *do* have a PhD, so by Jan's standards, I am qualified
    to judge "Dr" Cee.

    Umm, the subject was Dr Burzynski, try to follow along.

    Where did you get your Ph.D?? Grade average? Year? School? Degree in


    what??

    Why is this relevant to David, when it is not relevant, according to you,
    regarding Burzynski?

    Are you applying a double standard? Of course you are.

  19. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
    From: WB [email hidden]
    Date: 12/30/2003 2:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:

    Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    none,

    Quoted message said:

    you aren't qualified to judge.

    Jan

    Then it appears that you have no basis to judge anyone with a High School
    diploma nor higher education.

    I am not on a committee that judges who is a quack, Peter is. He is


    unqualified

    Quoted message said:

    to do so, further more this story flying around here that I am a high


    school

    Quoted message said:

    drop out, is false.

    However, you proceed to judge Barrett, et al who have advianced degrees, and
    dismiss them outright. Of course, you do this as you disagree with them, and
    not on the merits of your position.

    Quoted message said:

    I am qualified to judge you from your posts and I am not impressed.

    Janny, you have been judged, and found lacking.

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Mark ProbertDecember 31, 2002" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Lots Of Accusations Flying Around.
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/29/2003 10:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    When and where did he earn that PhD?

    Whereever it was it is a heck of a lot more than you have. Since you have


    none,

    Quoted message said:

    you aren't qualified to judge.

    And Stephen Barrett has an MD degree and, by your logic, is qualified to
    judge. You just do not like his judgements.

    Well, you understand, to Jan, an MD provides authority when the
    particular person holding the MD is pro-alt. However, if a person with
    an MD is anti-alt, then the MD makes him a tool of eeevvvilll
    conventional medicine.

    I hope that clears things up. ;-)

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

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