Looks like Pound was right

"Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I still don't like the guy and think he's a horses ass at best, but in
this case he seems to have gotten it right. If they found all this [censored]
then I wont even argue with the tactics.

http://tinyurl.com/k7tau

It was revealed that evidence seized in the weekend raids included
unlabeled drugs, a blood transfusion machine and dozens of syringes,
including some in Mayer's residence.

The long link is:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060221-1436-oly-austria-dopingraids.html

I'm waiting for real consequences for the Austrian results. They are
awfully high in the medal count, and NBC blissfully ignores the issue,
preferring to focus more on inane topics. Katie Couric is as cute as ever
though. .

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"Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I still don't like the guy and think he's a horses ass at best, but in
this case he seems to have gotten it right. If they found all this [censored]
then I wont even argue with the tactics.

http://tinyurl.com/k7tau

It was revealed that evidence seized in the weekend raids included
unlabeled drugs, a blood transfusion machine and dozens of syringes,
including some in Mayer's residence.

The long link is:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060221-1436-oly-austria-dopingraids.html

I'm waiting for real consequences for the Austrian results. They are
awfully high in the medal count, and NBC blissfully ignores the issue,
preferring to focus more on inane topics. Katie Couric is as cute as ever
though. .

A blood transfusion machine. Oh, the horror of it. I'm glad the upper
echelons of cycling haven't heard of this technology. Wink, Wink Any
pro-tour teams have used transfusion machines to sell cheap for domestic
use??

Katie is getting kind of long in the tooth. But Miles are still cool.

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"Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I still don't like the guy and think he's a horses ass at best, but in
this case he seems to have gotten it right. If they found all this [censored]
then I wont even argue with the tactics.

http://tinyurl.com/k7tau

It was revealed that evidence seized in the weekend raids included
unlabeled drugs, a blood transfusion machine and dozens of syringes,
including some in Mayer's residence.

The long link is:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060221-1436-oly-austria-dopingraids.html

I'm waiting for real consequences for the Austrian results. They are
awfully high in the medal count, and NBC blissfully ignores the issue,
preferring to focus more on inane topics. Katie Couric is as cute as
ever though. .

A blood transfusion machine. Oh, the horror of it. I'm glad the upper
echelons of cycling haven't heard of this technology. Wink, Wink Any
pro-tour teams have used transfusion machines to sell cheap for domestic
use??

Katie is getting kind of long in the tooth. But Miles are still cool.

Make that MILFs. Damn spell check.

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Katie is getting kind of long in the tooth.

You've got LANCE-itude?

Jim Flom said:

I'm waiting for real consequences for the Austrian results. They are
awfully high in the medal count, and NBC blissfully ignores the issue,
preferring to focus more on inane topics. Katie Couric is as cute as ever
though.

I don't get it. Are you implying the high Austrian medal count is
fishy because of this dope bust? Who do you expect to get lots of
medals in a Winter Olympics, Tunisia? The Austrians have a pile of
medals in skill sports - alpine skiing, ski jump, and only one in the
luge, which must rank as something of a disappointment. The only
endurance event they have medals in is Nordic combined (which is
half jumping). In other words, it's pretty much your average Winter
Olympics - eat sausage, go downhill at a high rate of speed, repeat.

NBC ignores the story because they want to puff the Olympics -
doping stories only played when our Cold War enemies were the
convenient suspects, or it was an American that came in second.

I can only imagine your reaction if the USA XC team got busted
and the CBC started running stories about the suspicious performance
of American skaters and that little ice skater girl.

Bill C said:

I still don't like the guy and think he's a horses ass at best, but in
this case he seems to have gotten it right. If they found all this [censored]
then I wont even argue with the tactics.

http://tinyurl.com/k7tau

It was revealed that evidence seized in the weekend raids included
unlabeled drugs, a blood transfusion machine and dozens of syringes,
including some in Mayer's residence.

The long link is:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060221-1436-oly-austria-dopingraids.html
Bill C

Wrong is wrong, doping and stupid showboating police raids.

What's a blood transfusion machine?

Ron

Bill C said:

I still don't like the guy and think he's a horses ass at best, but in
this case he seems to have gotten it right. If they found all this [censored]
then I wont even argue with the tactics.

http://tinyurl.com/k7tau

It was revealed that evidence seized in the weekend raids included
unlabeled drugs, a blood transfusion machine and dozens of syringes,
including some in Mayer's residence.

The long link is:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060221-1436-oly-austria-dopingraids.html

When I read about Mayer bolting Torino and leading the police on a
Keystone Kops chase in Austria before stacking his car into a police
road block I knew his hands were dirty/bloody and the team definitely
had some dopers on it.

I don't understand what the motivation is for someone like Mayer to go
to Games where he's been banned and in a country where doping is
illegal. What does he get out of it that he'd risk so much? They
can't be paying him millions of dollars, so why?

R

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Jim Flom said:

I'm waiting for real consequences for the Austrian results. They are
awfully high in the medal count, and NBC blissfully ignores the issue,
preferring to focus more on inane topics. Katie Couric is as cute as
ever
though.

I don't get it. Are you implying the high Austrian medal count is
fishy because of this dope bust?

Yes, I am.
2002 winter Olympics -- Austria -- 12th (11 of their 17 medals were bronze).
1998 -- nagano -- Austria -- 8th (9 of 17 are bronze)
1994 -- Lillehammer -- Austria -- 9th (4 of the scant 9 medals are bronze)

2006 -- Torino -- Austria (currently 4th with 16 medals already, only three
of which are bronze).

JF

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Bill C said:

I still don't like the guy and think he's a horses ass at best, but in
this case he seems to have gotten it right. If they found all this [censored]
then I wont even argue with the tactics.

http://tinyurl.com/k7tau

It was revealed that evidence seized in the weekend raids included
unlabeled drugs, a blood transfusion machine and dozens of syringes,
including some in Mayer's residence.

The long link is:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060221-1436-oly-austria-dopingraids.html
Bill C

Wrong is wrong, doping and stupid showboating police raids.

What's a blood transfusion machine?

Ron

Blood is kept in a special refrigerator after it is donated until it is
needed. This refrigerator keeps the blood from spoiling. The blood may need
to be run through a warming machine before it is transfused to prevent
hypothermia (hi-po-ther-mee-uh). Hypothermia is when your temperature drops
too low. A unit of blood that is given too cold can also cause the heart to
have arrhythmias (uh-rith-me-uhs). This is when your heart does not beat
normal.
http://www.drugs.com/CG/BLOOD_TRANSFUSION.html

On 02/21/2006 06:34 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Bill C"

Quoted message said:

I still don't like the guy and think he's a horses ass at best, but in
this case he seems to have gotten it right. If they found all this [censored]
then I wont even argue with the tactics.

http://tinyurl.com/k7tau

It was revealed that evidence seized in the weekend raids included
unlabeled drugs, a blood transfusion machine and dozens of syringes,
including some in Mayer's residence.

Keep in mind that syringes can have legitimate uses, and the unlabeled drugs
may not be banned substances.

The blood transfusion machine, on the other hand ....

Quoted message said:

The long link is:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060221-1436-oly-austria-dopingraids
.html
Bill C

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Quoted message said:

Bill C said:

I still don't like the guy and think he's a horses ass at best, but in
this case he seems to have gotten it right. If they found all this [censored]
then I wont even argue with the tactics.

http://tinyurl.com/k7tau

It was revealed that evidence seized in the weekend raids included
unlabeled drugs, a blood transfusion machine and dozens of syringes,
including some in Mayer's residence.

The long link is:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060221-1436-oly-austria-dopingraids.html
Bill C

Wrong is wrong, doping and stupid showboating police raids.

What's a blood transfusion machine?

Ron

Blood is kept in a special refrigerator after it is donated until it is
needed. This refrigerator keeps the blood from spoiling. The blood may need
to be run through a warming machine before it is transfused to prevent
hypothermia (hi-po-ther-mee-uh). Hypothermia is when your temperature drops
too low. A unit of blood that is given too cold can also cause the heart to
have arrhythmias (uh-rith-me-uhs). This is when your heart does not beat
normal.
http://www.drugs.com/CG/BLOOD_TRANSFUSION.html

Thanks for the condescension. Haven't had any yet today. So it's a gadget to
warm blood? So it replaces a sink of warm water.

Ron

RonSonic said:

B. Lafferty said:

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On 21 Feb 2006 17:34:24 -0800, "Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>I still don't like the guy and think he's a horses ass at best, but in
>this case he seems to have gotten it right. If they found all this [censored]
>then I wont even argue with the tactics.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/k7tau
>
>It was revealed that evidence seized in the weekend raids included
>unlabeled drugs, a blood transfusion machine and dozens of syringes,
>including some in Mayer's residence.
>
>The long link is:
>http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060221-1436-oly-austria-dopingraids.html
> Bill C

Wrong is wrong, doping and stupid showboating police raids.

What's a blood transfusion machine?

Ron

Blood is kept in a special refrigerator after it is donated until it is
needed. This refrigerator keeps the blood from spoiling. The blood may need
to be run through a warming machine before it is transfused to prevent
hypothermia (hi-po-ther-mee-uh). Hypothermia is when your temperature drops
too low. A unit of blood that is given too cold can also cause the heart to
have arrhythmias (uh-rith-me-uhs). This is when your heart does not beat
normal.
http://www.drugs.com/CG/BLOOD_TRANSFUSION.html

Thanks for the condescension. Haven't had any yet today. So it's a gadget to
warm blood? So it replaces a sink of warm water.

Ron

It was a direct cut and paste from the quoted site.

"Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

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Yes, I am.
2002 winter Olympics -- Austria -- 12th (11 of their 17 medals were
bronze).
1998 -- nagano -- Austria -- 8th (9 of 17 are bronze)
1994 -- Lillehammer -- Austria -- 9th (4 of the scant 9 medals are bronze)

2006 -- Torino -- Austria (currently 4th with 16 medals already, only
three of which are bronze).

The president of the Austrian ski federation revealed that two athletes "may
have used illegal methods" at the Torino Olympic Winter Games.
http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/stories/headlines.shtml?/story/olympics/national/2006/02/22/Sports/schroeksnadel060222.html
JF

B. Lafferty said:

Blood is kept in a special refrigerator

Special how? It took the short assembly line to school and wears a
helmet? What does that mean about the transfusions? You can tell the
dopers because they travel with their own refrigerators? "Oh, no thank
you, I find frozen ice too cold for my beverages so I have my own
refrigerator."

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after it is donated until it is needed.

How do you know it is donated? Maybe a guy with special blood is being
held against his will by a...oh, [censored], read it yourself:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064475/

Quoted message said:

This refrigerator keeps the blood from spoiling. The blood may need
to be run through a warming machine before it is transfused to prevent
hypothermia (hi-po-ther-mee-uh). Hypothermia is when your temperature drops
too low. A unit of blood that is given too cold can also cause the heart to
have arrhythmias (uh-rith-me-uhs). This is when your heart does not beat
normal.

Normally.

Quoted message said:

http://www.drugs.com/CG/BLOOD_TRANSFUSION.html

R

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NBC ignores the story because they want to puff the Olympics -
doping stories only played when our Cold War enemies were the
convenient suspects, or it was an American that came in second.

They also aren't going after the German bobsled story very much as
well, but the fact is that with most of the Olympic audience, these
types of stories don't have legs and they aren't why they tune in. If
it weren't for the parallel stories in the bicycle racing world, we
wouldn't care here either.

OTOH, if JF thinks Katie is as 'cute as ever', and keeps saying it,
he'll have Pound knocking on his door. If you have a career based on
saying inanities as if they were profound, you need to be professional
level cute and Katie has passed over that hill.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

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RonSonic said:

B. Lafferty said:

"RonSonic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On 21 Feb 2006 17:34:24 -0800, "Bill C" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
>>I still don't like the guy and think he's a horses ass at best, but in
>>this case he seems to have gotten it right. If they found all this
>>[censored]
>>then I wont even argue with the tactics.
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/k7tau
>>
>>It was revealed that evidence seized in the weekend raids included
>>unlabeled drugs, a blood transfusion machine and dozens of syringes,
>>including some in Mayer's residence.
>>
>>The long link is:
>>http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060221-1436-oly-austria-dopingraids.html
>> Bill C
>
> Wrong is wrong, doping and stupid showboating police raids.
>
> What's a blood transfusion machine?
>
> Ron

Blood is kept in a special refrigerator after it is donated until it is
needed. This refrigerator keeps the blood from spoiling. The blood may
need
to be run through a warming machine before it is transfused to prevent
hypothermia (hi-po-ther-mee-uh). Hypothermia is when your temperature
drops
too low. A unit of blood that is given too cold can also cause the heart
to
have arrhythmias (uh-rith-me-uhs). This is when your heart does not beat
normal.
http://www.drugs.com/CG/BLOOD_TRANSFUSION.html

Thanks for the condescension. Haven't had any yet today. So it's a gadget
to
warm blood? So it replaces a sink of warm water.

Ron

It was a direct cut and paste from the quoted site.

Right, thanks. No condescension was meant. It makes sense to have a
machine to properly warm cold stored (frozen from a cooler?) blood prior to
transfusion.

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On 02/21/2006 06:34 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Bill C"

Quoted message said:

I still don't like the guy and think he's a horses ass at best, but in
this case he seems to have gotten it right. If they found all this [censored]
then I wont even argue with the tactics.

http://tinyurl.com/k7tau

It was revealed that evidence seized in the weekend raids included
unlabeled drugs, a blood transfusion machine and dozens of syringes,
including some in Mayer's residence.

Keep in mind that syringes can have legitimate uses, and the unlabeled
drugs
may not be banned substances.

ROTFL (only in context w/transfusion machine)

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The blood transfusion machine, on the other hand ....

Quoted message said:

The long link is:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060221-1436-oly-austria-dopingraids
.html
Bill C

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
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ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash

Jim Flom said:

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I don't get it. Are you implying the high Austrian medal count is
fishy because of this dope bust?

Yes, I am.
2002 winter Olympics -- Austria -- 12th (11 of their 17 medals were bronze).
1998 -- nagano -- Austria -- 8th (9 of 17 are bronze)
1994 -- Lillehammer -- Austria -- 9th (4 of the scant 9 medals are bronze)

2006 -- Torino -- Austria (currently 4th with 16 medals already, only three
of which are bronze).

Truly, an argument worthy of Antoine Vayer. Maybe you should
stick to sermons and leave the science to the amateurs. 11 of the 17
Austrian medals are in alpine skiing, an event that the Austrians
are historically strong in, and that is not very strongly influenced
by blood doping, EPO etc (what the XC team was probably doing).
It is not a huge surprise that Michaela Dorfmeister, Hermann Maier,
and Benjamin Raich are winning medals, because they have been
really good at their sport for some time. Of course, they might be
doping, just like any dedicated athlete, or even Bode Miller, but the
XC ski team bust doesn't increase the evidence for it.

Want some fishy numbers? US Winter Olympic medals:
<http://www.darmoni.net/johiver.htm>

3rd 12 - 1980 Lake Placid (1st had 22)
4th 8 - 1984 Sarajevo (1st had 24)
9th 6 - 1988 Calgary (1st had 29)
6th 11 - 1992 Albertville (1st had 26)
5th 13 - 1994 Lillehammer (1st had 26)
5th 13 - 1998 Nagano (1st had 29)
2nd 34 - 2002 Salt Lake City (1st had 35)

34 medals in 2002? Second in medal count by just one, when the US
was usually a factor of 2 behind first place? Even accounting for the
home field advantage and more medals being awarded, it's clear
evidence of foul play. Call [censored] Pound and have him take all the
medals away retroactively. Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

Quoted message said:

Want some fishy numbers? US Winter Olympic medals:
<http://www.darmoni.net/johiver.htm>

3rd 12 - 1980 Lake Placid (1st had 22)
4th 8 - 1984 Sarajevo (1st had 24)
9th 6 - 1988 Calgary (1st had 29)
6th 11 - 1992 Albertville (1st had 26)
5th 13 - 1994 Lillehammer (1st had 26)
5th 13 - 1998 Nagano (1st had 29)
2nd 34 - 2002 Salt Lake City (1st had 35)

34 medals in 2002? Second in medal count by just one, when the US
was usually a factor of 2 behind first place? Even accounting for the
home field advantage and more medals being awarded, it's clear
evidence of foul play. Call [censored] Pound and have him take all the
medals away retroactively. Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

The evidence becomes even more clear when you consider the
extent that that increase has come with the introduction of
extreme sports into the Olympics. It's a lock that drugs
are involved.

Bob Schwartz