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  1. Hi,
    We're looking for about 10 people to test a pre-release version of our
    Windows Training Diary software. The software requires Windows 98 SE
    or newer.

    We're looking for athletes who use Polar S610, S625x, S710, S720, S725
    or S810 Heart Rate Monitors (with or without cycling/running sensors)
    and have one of the Polar computer interfaces. You should be willing
    to use our software in parallel with either Polar's own Precision
    Performance software or other third-party application that you
    regularily use. You should be training at least 3 - 4 times a week
    with your HRM.

    In return for your feedback, we'll provide you with a full license for
    the final version of TrainingLog.

    If you are interested, send us details of your sports, training
    schedule and heart rate monitor. Email - [email hidden]

    Thanks & Regards

    Stuart Tevendale
    Director
    OTAG Technologies Ltd

  2. Stuart Tevendale said:

    Hi,
    We're looking for about 10 people to test a pre-release version of our
    Windows Training Diary software. The software requires Windows 98 SE
    or newer.

    We're looking for athletes who use Polar S610, S625x, S710, S720, S725
    or S810 Heart Rate Monitors (with or without cycling/running sensors)
    and have one of the Polar computer interfaces. You should be willing
    to use our software in parallel with either Polar's own Precision
    Performance software or other third-party application that you
    regularily use. You should be training at least 3 - 4 times a week
    with your HRM.

    In return for your feedback, we'll provide you with a full license for
    the final version of TrainingLog.

    If you are interested, send us details of your sports, training
    schedule and heart rate monitor. Email - [email hidden]

    Thanks & Regards

    Stuart Tevendale
    Director
    OTAG Technologies Ltd


    HOw about an S510 and linux... that's newer than 98 (:

    Steve

  3. "Stuart Tevendale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,
    We're looking for about 10 people to test a pre-release version of our
    Windows Training Diary software. The software requires Windows 98 SE
    or newer.

    We're looking for athletes who use Polar S610, S625x, S710, S720, S725
    or S810 Heart Rate Monitors (with or without cycling/running sensors)
    and have one of the Polar computer interfaces. You should be willing
    to use our software in parallel with either Polar's own Precision
    Performance software or other third-party application that you
    regularily use. You should be training at least 3 - 4 times a week
    with your HRM.

    In return for your feedback, we'll provide you with a full license for
    the final version of TrainingLog.

    If you are interested, send us details of your sports, training
    schedule and heart rate monitor. Email - [email hidden]

    Thanks & Regards

    Stuart Tevendale
    Director
    OTAG Technologies Ltd

    What would you say are the main advantages your software has over the Polar
    software?

  4. Stuart Tevendale said:

    Hi,
    We're looking for about 10 people to test a pre-release version of our
    Windows Training Diary software. The software requires Windows 98 SE
    or newer.

    We're looking for athletes who use Polar S610, S625x, S710, S720, S725
    or S810 Heart Rate Monitors (with or without cycling/running sensors)
    and have one of the Polar computer interfaces. You should be willing
    to use our software in parallel with either Polar's own Precision
    Performance software or other third-party application that you
    regularily use. You should be training at least 3 - 4 times a week
    with your HRM.

    In return for your feedback, we'll provide you with a full license for
    the final version of TrainingLog.

    If you are interested, send us details of your sports, training
    schedule and heart rate monitor. Email - [email hidden]

    Thanks & Regards

    Stuart Tevendale
    Director
    OTAG Technologies Ltd

    Still writing software for Windows? No Linux version?
    bad thing...

  5. Francesco Devittori frenkatfrenkdtcm said:


    Still writing software for Windows? No Linux version?
    bad thing...

    Maybe they want sell more than 3 copies worldwide?

    Mike Tennent
    "IronPenguin"

  6. Mike Tennent said:
    Francesco Devittori frenkatfrenkdtcm said:


    Still writing software for Windows? No Linux version?
    bad thing...

    Maybe they want sell more than 3 copies worldwide?

    Maybe they just want to be able to sell it. How many linux users are you
    going to convince to *pay* for software, when there's so much perfectly
    sketchy GPL software around? 😉

  7. "Doki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mike Tennent said:
    Francesco Devittori frenkatfrenkdtcm said:


    Still writing software for Windows? No Linux version?
    bad thing...

    Maybe they want sell more than 3 copies worldwide?

    Maybe they just want to be able to sell it. How many linux users are you
    going to convince to *pay* for software, when there's so much perfectly
    sketchy GPL software around? 😉

    As stated by a misguided Micro$oft lover?

  8. Francesco Devittori <frenkatfrenkdtcm> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Still writing software for Windows? No Linux version?
    bad thing...

    I can only assume you're not serious. Consumer marketshare is still
    vastly Windows focused. You'd have to be an idiot to go into business
    for a niche market (bicycle training) supporting a platform with as
    small a reach as Linux.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Doki said:

    Maybe they just want to be able to sell it. How many linux users are you
    going to convince to *pay* for software, when there's so much perfectly
    sketchy GPL software around? 😉

    I have both Linux and Windows users pay for software. As well as
    occasional Mac and Solaris users.

    In fact, the software most of them are willing to pay for is GPL -
    they can download the source themselves from the same page that
    invites them to pay.

    --
    Nick Kew

  10. Andrew Martin said:

    Francesco Devittori <frenkatfrenkdtcm> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Still writing software for Windows? No Linux version?
    bad thing...

    I can only assume you're not serious. Consumer marketshare is still
    vastly Windows focused. You'd have to be an idiot to go into business
    for a niche market (bicycle training) supporting a platform with as
    small a reach as Linux.

    I would be willing to try it under the wine emulator. I rarely use windows.

    Bob

  11. Just curious if you're still looking for volunteers? Can the app
    import .HRM files as I have an s410 and use other software to convert
    to .HRM.

    [email hidden] (Stuart Tevendale) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,
    We're looking for about 10 people to test a pre-release version of our
    Windows Training Diary software. The software requires Windows 98 SE
    or newer.

    We're looking for athletes who use Polar S610, S625x, S710, S720, S725
    or S810 Heart Rate Monitors (with or without cycling/running sensors)
    and have one of the Polar computer interfaces. You should be willing
    to use our software in parallel with either Polar's own Precision
    Performance software or other third-party application that you
    regularily use. You should be training at least 3 - 4 times a week
    with your HRM.

    In return for your feedback, we'll provide you with a full license for
    the final version of TrainingLog.

    If you are interested, send us details of your sports, training
    schedule and heart rate monitor. Email - [email hidden]

    Thanks & Regards

    Stuart Tevendale
    Director
    OTAG Technologies Ltd

  12. Andrew Martin said:

    Francesco Devittori <frenkatfrenkdtcm> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Still writing software for Windows? No Linux version?
    bad thing...

    I can only assume you're not serious. Consumer marketshare is still
    vastly Windows focused. You'd have to be an idiot to go into business
    for a niche market (bicycle training) supporting a platform with as
    small a reach as Linux.

    You would be surprised to know how many people are using training logs
    under linux or other various non-windows os!
    And you would be yet more surprised to know how many of these people
    actually wrote their own software.
    If you are a developer and your software is really that great, then
    people will pay for it -even linux users.

    (btw, greatest software is usually cross-platform -and mostly free)

  13. Francesco Devittori said:

    You would be surprised to know how many people are using training logs
    under linux or other various non-windows os! And you would be yet more
    surprised to know how many of these people actually wrote their own
    software. If you are a developer and your software is really that great,
    then people will pay for it -even linux users.

    I'd guess that Linux users are *much* less likely to pay for great software
    than Windows users. A large number of people running Linux do so because
    they support open source and free software, and even those who care less
    about this are still used to having lots of good free software readily
    available to them. Windows users are more used to having to pay for their
    software, assuming they don't steal it, and so will do so more readily.

    All of my Windows software (OS + some games) is paid for.
    None of my Linux software (everything else) is.

    Of course, I would have bought Linux versions of those games if they'd been
    available, so that partly destroys my point...

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Although the moon is smaller than the earth, it is farther away.

  14. Francesco Devittori said:

    You would be surprised to know how many people are using training logs
    under linux or other various non-windows os! And you would be yet more
    surprised to know how many of these people actually wrote their own
    software. If you are a developer and your software is really that great,
    then people will pay for it -even linux users.

    I'd guess that Linux users are *much* less likely to pay for great software
    than Windows users. A large number of people running Linux do so because
    they support open source and free software, and even those who care less
    about this are still used to having lots of good free software readily
    available to them. Windows users are more used to having to pay for their
    software, assuming they don't steal it, and so will do so more readily.

    All of my Windows software (OS + some games) is paid for.
    None of my Linux software (everything else) is.

    Of course, I would have bought Linux versions of those games if they'd been
    available, so that partly destroys my point...

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Although the moon is smaller than the earth, it is farther away.

  15. Andrew Martin said:

    Francesco Devittori <frenkatfrenkdtcm> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Still writing software for Windows? No Linux version?
    bad thing...

    I can only assume you're not serious. Consumer marketshare is still
    vastly Windows focused. You'd have to be an idiot to go into business
    for a niche market (bicycle training) supporting a platform with as
    small a reach as Linux.

    I'd say you'd be an idiot to ignore all those body-nazi yuppie triathletes with
    Macs. Write the thing in Java, or some other cross platform tookit, so you
    don't have to exclude anyone. Of course, if all you know how to do is program
    for Windows...

    Matt O.

  16. I tend to agree with you. Ignoring Macs and Linux user is a mistake
    even because it seems that the next step that MS is going to take is
    to develop his own unix based program. As coach in the past I didn't
    buy a lot of software just because it wasn't made for my MAC. This is
    the main reason why I don't buy a perfect rower (who the heck is still
    using DOS?)
    It is not that hard and it might be a very good market move.
    Marco

    Francesco Devittori <frenkatfrenkdtcm> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Andrew Martin said:

    Francesco Devittori <frenkatfrenkdtcm> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Still writing software for Windows? No Linux version?
    bad thing...

    I can only assume you're not serious. Consumer marketshare is still
    vastly Windows focused. You'd have to be an idiot to go into business
    for a niche market (bicycle training) supporting a platform with as
    small a reach as Linux.

    You would be surprised to know how many people are using training logs
    under linux or other various non-windows os!
    And you would be yet more surprised to know how many of these people
    actually wrote their own software.
    If you are a developer and your software is really that great, then
    people will pay for it -even linux users.

    (btw, greatest software is usually cross-platform -and mostly free)

  17. "marco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I tend to agree with you. Ignoring Macs and Linux user is a mistake
    even because it seems that the next step that MS is going to take is
    to develop his own unix based program. As coach in the past I didn't
    buy a lot of software just because it wasn't made for my MAC. This is
    the main reason why I don't buy a perfect rower (who the heck is still
    using DOS?)
    It is not that hard and it might be a very good market move.
    Marco

    Well, as a software developer, I think I can comment on this. Although I
    would like to develop for the Mac and Linux, I don't. There are several
    reasons, both technical and financial (in no particular order):

    1) Porting my applications to Mac/Linux (i.e., Java) would be an enormous
    undertaking, for a very small market potential.

    2) Applications built on Java have (until recently) tended to be slow.

    3) It's my understanding that Java applications are very difficult to secure
    against crackers (i.e., software thieves), because it is an "interpreted"
    language (this same problem applies to .Net).

    4) Linux users tend to expect software for free.

    5) Applications written for a cross-platform language are unable to take
    advantage of many of the built-in features of the operating system. This
    means that the program will have a "lowest common denominator" look and
    feel, or I'll have to spend a bunch of time and effort emulating those
    features by writing my own code in Java.

    Actually, I'd like to stand this question on it's head - why is it that
    Windows programs are not able to run on Linux or Mac? Windows is the most
    popular OS, by a wide, wide margin...one would think that the folks creating
    Linux/Mac OS'es would include an emulator to allow the wide range of Windows
    programs to run under their OS'es. There are emulators available, but
    they're not built into those OS'es - I suspect this has more to do with
    religion than technology, however.

    GG

    Quoted message said:


    Francesco Devittori <frenkatfrenkdtcm> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Andrew Martin said:

    Francesco Devittori <frenkatfrenkdtcm> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    >Still writing software for Windows? No Linux version?
    >bad thing...

    I can only assume you're not serious. Consumer marketshare is still
    vastly Windows focused. You'd have to be an idiot to go into business
    for a niche market (bicycle training) supporting a platform with as
    small a reach as Linux.

    You would be surprised to know how many people are using training logs
    under linux or other various non-windows os!
    And you would be yet more surprised to know how many of these people
    actually wrote their own software.
    If you are a developer and your software is really that great, then
    people will pay for it -even linux users.

    (btw, greatest software is usually cross-platform -and mostly free)

  18. GaryG garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com opined the following...

    Quoted message said:

    Well, as a software developer, I think I can comment on this. Although I
    would like to develop for the Mac and Linux, I don't. There are several
    reasons, both technical and financial (in no particular order):

    1) Porting my applications to Mac/Linux (i.e., Java) would be an enormous
    undertaking, for a very small market potential.

    So why use Java? There are some free toolkits that operate on at least
    two of those platforms that would allow you to develop in C++ (Assuming
    that this is your language of choice).

    Quoted message said:

    2) Applications built on Java have (until recently) tended to be slow.

    This has been steadily improving for many years now. JIT compilers and
    well-designed core libraries mean that a colleague and I have managed to
    release a program built 100% in Java that behaves with the response
    times of a "conventional" application.

    Quoted message said:

    3) It's my understanding that Java applications are very difficult to secure
    against crackers (i.e., software thieves), because it is an "interpreted"
    language (this same problem applies to .Net).

    If your product has a market above a certain size, it will be cracked.
    It is simply not possible to prevent this as the code (In some form) has
    to be available to the user in order to execute it. Spend less time
    building security into your application and you can reduce your
    development costs, and thus the end cost. If the product seems good
    value for money, the incentive to crack and copy is lowered.

    Quoted message said:

    4) Linux users tend to expect software for free.

    True.

    Quoted message said:

    5) Applications written for a cross-platform language are unable to take
    advantage of many of the built-in features of the operating system. This
    means that the program will have a "lowest common denominator" look and
    feel, or I'll have to spend a bunch of time and effort emulating those
    features by writing my own code in Java.

    This depends on what you are developing. 3d Acceleration systems are now
    reasonably standardised and OpenGL is a universal library for
    development in that area. Beyond that, my experience is that most
    windowing systems are drifting towards a similarity of widgets, so it
    would be possible (And recommended) to separate the data from the
    interface and thus only have to recode a small proportion for each port.

    Quoted message said:

    Actually, I'd like to stand this question on it's head - why is it that
    Windows programs are not able to run on Linux or Mac? Windows is the most
    popular OS, by a wide, wide margin...one would think that the folks creating
    Linux/Mac OS'es would include an emulator to allow the wide range of Windows
    programs to run under their OS'es. There are emulators available, but
    they're not built into those OS'es - I suspect this has more to do with
    religion than technology, however.

    It has to do with the fact that no right-thinking person would choose a
    less stable platform over a more stable one. That and the small issue of
    licencing and openness which meant that producing a windows clone was a
    near impossible task. Despite this, Macs have for some time come with
    (Possibly as an optional extra) a windows emulator and the Wine project
    and VMWare cater nicely for the Linux market.

    Given the vast number of "undocumented features" in windows, it is a
    miracle that most windows programs are able to run on windows (even this
    is not always the case!), let alone have other systems run them.

    Jon

  19. marco said:

    I tend to agree with you. Ignoring Macs and Linux user is a mistake
    even because it seems that the next step that MS is going to take is
    to develop his own unix based program. As coach in the past I didn't
    buy a lot of software just because it wasn't made for my MAC. This is
    the main reason why I don't buy a perfect rower (who the heck is still
    using DOS?)
    It is not that hard and it might be a very good market move.
    Marco

    Francesco Devittori <frenkatfrenkdtcm> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Andrew Martin said:

    Francesco Devittori <frenkatfrenkdtcm> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    >Still writing software for Windows? No Linux version?
    >bad thing...

    I can only assume you're not serious. Consumer marketshare is still
    vastly Windows focused. You'd have to be an idiot to go into business
    for a niche market (bicycle training) supporting a platform with as
    small a reach as Linux.

    You would be surprised to know how many people are using training logs
    under linux or other various non-windows os!
    And you would be yet more surprised to know how many of these people
    actually wrote their own software.
    If you are a developer and your software is really that great, then
    people will pay for it -even linux users.

    (btw, greatest software is usually cross-platform -and mostly free)

    I'd like to find some sort of training log software. As for the linux
    thing, people are seeing the light. My whole family runs it, including
    my Mom. 🙂

    --
    Mark Wolfe Lakeside, ca http://www.wolfenet.org
    gpg fingerprint = 42B6 EFEB 5414 AA18 01B7 64AC EF46 F7E6 82F6 8C71
    How do I type "for i in *.dvi do xdvi i done" in a GUI?
    (Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of interfaces.)

  20. Mark Wolfe said:

    I'd like to find some sort of training log software. As for the
    linux thing, people are seeing the light. My whole family runs it,
    including my Mom. 🙂

    Actually, Gary's program (Cyclistats) is very nice. But for $45, I'll continue
    to use a spreadsheet. It may be worth it to you, though. I encourage you to
    give it a try -- I think he still offers a free 30-day demo.

    Matt O.

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