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  1. Folks:

    I'm looking for a really high-end frame painter. I'm looking to get some custom fades and
    airbrushing. Cost is not a real big object for me on this one.

    I've had a frame already painted by Cycle Art last year. They do good work, but there were many
    problems with them (months late-causing me to miss a vacation, cost overruns, surly attitudes
    from staff, etc), so I can't go back to them, so for another bike, I'm looking for another
    custom painter.

    Anyone have any experiences that they would like to share?

    Steven Brown [email hidden]

  2. Quoted message said:

    I'm looking for a really high-end frame painter. I'm looking to get some custom fades and
    airbrushing. Cost is not a real big object for me on this one.

    Sorry, I just dropped in from comp.arch, and I thought you said a big-endian frame pointer.
    %-)
    --
    mac the naïf

  3. Quoted message said:

    Anyone have any experiences that they would like to share?

    Sounds to me like you are looking for Joe Bell (JB). Been doing highest quality paint for many years
    and done some fantastic jobs over the years. One the most memorable I have ever seen was the paint
    he did on a Bill Holland Titanium bike.

    Joe is located in Spring Valley, California.

    Cruise around the following link a bit, I did and learned a bit more about Joe.

    campyonly.comjoebell.html

    Joe's a nice fellow to work with and I am quite sure you would be pleased with the results.

    Jon Isaacs

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    Joe's a nice fellow to work with and I am quite sure you would be pleased


    with

    Quoted message said:

    the results.

    But, the poster appeared annoyed that CycleArt took longer than they said it was, and it's been my
    experience that that's true of virtually all frame painters (and, for that matter, most frame
    builders as well). Is Joe known to give accurate time estimates?

    When I refer a customer to a local frame painter or builder, I always warn them to pad the time
    estimate, generally doubling it to be safe. If it comes sooner than that, great! They're happy.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreaction.comchainreaction.com

    "Jon Isaacs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anyone have any experiences that they would like to share?

    Sounds to me like you are looking for Joe Bell (JB). Been doing highest quality paint for many
    years and done some fantastic jobs over the years.


    One

    Quoted message said:

    the most memorable I have ever seen was the paint he did on a Bill Holland Titanium bike.

    Joe is located in Spring Valley, California.

    Cruise around the following link a bit, I did and learned a bit more about


    Joe.

    Quoted message said:


    campyonly.comjoebell.html

    Joe's a nice fellow to work with and I am quite sure you would be pleased


    with

    Quoted message said:

    the results.

    Jon Isaacs

  5. Quoted message said:

    But, the poster appeared annoyed that CycleArt took longer than they said it was...most frame
    builders as well

    I'm the original poster and this was quite an extreme case. I sent the bike in before Thanksgiving
    and was told it would be done around Christmas time. Didn't arrive, mid-January the same, keeps
    going. When the start of March came, they hadn't even started it. I todl them I was going on
    vacation in the start of April and they promised me it would be ready. I ended up missing my
    vacation (it was a cycling vacation) because of this.

    I've had other dealings with custom shops and it's never been on time. Good hearted, well
    intentioned people, but...don't expect things to come on time.

    There has been two times that when getting custom work that after several delays, I've said to them,
    "If you can't guarantee it will be done by this time, that's ok, but tell me." They told me so and I
    took my parts and went elsewhere with them.

    In my case, I only own one high-end bike (go ahead, laugh at me), so when my bike is
    non-operational, I only have my junker that I use to go to the store to ride. I have patience, but I
    can't be without a bike for months.

    I don't mind delays, just be open and realistic with me. In short, I'm agreeing with the other
    posters at the vagaries of the custom work.

    Given the nature of custom work it is very important to get references. In one case, where I didn't
    get references, a guy didn't follow directions. It was very clear what I wanted and he admitted he
    didn't even look at the drawings I gave him. He wouldn't fix it and short of going to court, there
    was nothing to be done.

    In another case, where I had several local references, the guy did totally [censored] work. The custom
    airbrushing looked like a cartoon done by a high school art student. Even the people who made the
    references agreed, one saying, "It certainly isn't the best work that he's done."

    My few suggestions: Get references, be patient.

  6. Speaking only from my own experience, I have had two bikes painted by JB. Both were late, a couple
    of days. I still highly recommend him.

    Tom

    "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Joe's a nice fellow to work with and I am quite sure you would be pleased


    with

    Quoted message said:

    the results.

    But, the poster appeared annoyed that CycleArt took longer than they said it was, and it's been my
    experience that that's true of virtually all frame painters (and, for that matter, most frame
    builders as well). Is Joe known to give accurate time estimates?

    When I refer a customer to a local frame painter or builder, I always warn them to pad the time
    estimate, generally doubling it to be safe. If it comes sooner than that, great! They're happy.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreaction.comchainreaction.com

    "Jon Isaacs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anyone have any experiences that they would like to share?

    Sounds to me like you are looking for Joe Bell (JB). Been doing highest quality paint for many
    years and done some fantastic jobs over the years.


    One

    Quoted message said:

    the most memorable I have ever seen was the paint he did on a Bill Holland Titanium bike.

    Joe is located in Spring Valley, California.

    Cruise around the following link a bit, I did and learned a bit more about


    Joe.

    Quoted message said:


    campyonly.comjoebell.html

    Joe's a nice fellow to work with and I am quite sure you would be pleased


    with

    Quoted message said:

    the results.

    Jon Isaacs

  7. "Mr. Moose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Folks:

    I'm looking for a really high-end frame painter. I'm looking to get some custom fades and
    airbrushing. Cost is not a real big object for me on


    this

    Quoted message said:

    one.

    I've had a frame already painted by Cycle Art last year. They do good


    work,

    Quoted message said:

    but there were many problems with them (months late-causing me to miss a vacation, cost overruns,
    surly attitudes from staff, etc), so I can't go


    back

    Quoted message said:

    to them, so for another bike, I'm looking for another custom painter.

    Anyone have any experiences that they would like to share?

    Steven Brown [email hidden]

    Grant Soma in the DC area does great work too. Don't know if he's still painting for the "other"
    Hollands. I used to swing by his shop when I lived in Fairfax, all of his stuff was immaculate.

  8. JB painted my bike in three weeks and shipped it one day later than he promised. Of course, it's
    gorgeous. And he's a genuinely nice guy as well.

    Fred Roses, a member of the Joel Bell fan club

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