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  1. Plan
    ====

    The idea was to spend eight days (seven nights) in the Lakeland
    hills, climbing at least one hill from each of AW's seven guidebooks.
    Mission accomplished (but I almost gave up a couple of times)!

    My planned trip was for 86 miles, with 22,720 feet of ascent. I was
    carrying 53 lbs at the start, including food for eight days and a litre of
    water. (This weight was my weight on the hill less my body weight, that
    is it included all my clothing and items stored therein, as well as the
    pack.)

    Please read on....

    Friday
    ======

    The forecast was very iffy, but Friday turned out to be a wonderful
    day, with cloud, blue skies, sun, a *bitingly* cold wind, and a dusting of
    snow on the tops. Left the car in the Wasdale valley and headed up Middle
    Fell. This was very slow progress at first with the heavy pack. I
    normally estimate that I can do three miles an hour on the flat, but I now
    felt I was doing more like one! But I soon got used to the extra load.

    Had lunch on Middle Fell out of the wind, and then headed down
    towards Haycock. The original plan was to do Seatallan, but I was a bit
    concerned about finding good camping in these slightly tricky conditions,
    so I left it out. Had to change out of my Tevas as I left the top, as my
    feet were exposed to the biting wind for the first time! Then over the
    boggy ground to Haycock, and up Gowder Crag; I never see why AW makes a
    fuss about Gowder Crag, as it's an extremely easy scramble, even with a
    heavy pack.

    The plan was to descend along the wall to the col with Scoat Fell,
    and then drop into Great Cove for the night. This would have involved
    descending into, and camping in, the teeth of the gale; really not on. So
    I contoured round to Scoat Tarn and camped there. Put my footwear and
    socks out to dry in the sun; everything was frozen when I took it in
    later. Uh oh....

    Saturday
    ========

    Cloud was just brushing the tarn when I woke after a cold night. I
    hadn't planned to cope with these conditions; I would normally have had an
    extra fleece or two. But it was just about manageable. An easy day was
    planned: the ridge via Scoat Fell, Pillar, the Gables, Brandreth and
    Haystacks.

    Lying in the sleeping bag about 0900, I heard something icy hit the
    tent, and looked out to see that it was snowing fairly hard! So I packed
    quickly. Going along the ridge (and particularly the scrambly descent by
    Black Crag) was out in the wet slippery snow (and with no proper winter
    footwear). And I didn't fancy going over to Ennerdale via the Haycock col
    in mist and snow, either. So I slogged down past Nether Beck to the road.
    The snow was very tenacious, turning to pretty continuous rain only low
    down. Then along the road beside the lake.

    I stopped for lunch at a memorial seat, and thought very seriously of
    giving up, given the weather conditions. But the car was a good walk
    away, and I thought I should at least see if I could get over Black Sail
    pass to get to Ennerdale. If I couldn't, then I would abandon the trip,
    as I couldn't get out of Wasdale!

    So I headed for the pass; the heavy rain finally stopped about 1500.
    Fortunately, the pass was (just) clear, and I descended easily into
    Ennerdale. Camped at the head of the valley; the original idea was to
    camp on Haystacks, but the mist was brushing the top, and I thought I'd be
    warmer in the valley.

    Sunday
    ======

    Awoke to find the mist had settled at valley level. But the day
    improved. Climbed beside the beck to the Haystacks/Brandreth col; the
    mist was quite thick, but there wasn't too much wind, mercifully. Then on
    rather carefully to the top of Brandreth, and over the ridge to Grey
    Knotts. The cloud started to lift here, and I got my first views since
    Friday. Lunch on the steep and rocky descent to Honister. Then steeply
    up to Dale Head. The cloud was clearing all the time, and the sun had
    started to come out.

    Descended by the Launchy Tarn route to Stonethwaite; AW's fence to
    the Tarn and beyond has pretty well disappeared. I was very fortunate
    that the day was clear; this journey (which I hadn't done before) would
    have been a nightmare in mist. Steeply down beside the beck (a quick and
    enjoyable descent) and then through Johnny's Wood in the sun (at last!),
    crossing the B road to Stonethwaite (which was very quiet) and then up to
    Dock Tarn. It took me a while to find a campsite; Dock Tarn may look a
    lot like the top of Haystacks, but the underlying ground is much wetter.
    But I camped eventually in the sun with good views down Longstrath. One
    of the best days, overall.

    Monday
    ======

    Got up early for a big day (in retrospect, much too big a day).
    Headed down to Watendlath (which was deserted apart from the National
    Trust van), and headed steeply up towards the High Seat / High Tove ridge.
    I intended to make a bee-line for High Seat (this looked to be the driest
    option on the map), but ended up having to get to the ridge top because of
    fences. Very gloppy, and very hard work taking high steps to avoid the
    heather. But warm enough to wear sandals for, which helped with the wet
    ground. Then north along the ridge to Bleaberry Fell, with a very good
    view from the top (but still a cold wind).

    Down to Walla Crag for lunch, and then a lowland trek (Rakefoot Farm,
    Castlerigg Stone Circle, Derwentfolds) to Blencathra's east side. Up
    beside Roughton Gill (an easy ascent; I didn't fancy anything steep with a
    big pack). The mist covered over the top as I approached; I found myself
    aiming at the top of Sharp Edge, which I definitely didn't want, and had
    to divert to get to Blencathra.

    Finally down to Scales Tarn for the night. A awe-inspiring spot for
    views, but the wind was whipping the tent at the site, and I was simply
    too tired to look for a more sheltered spot. So I didn't get much sleep
    as gusts (which must have been approaching gale force) rattled the tent
    during the night. A very hard day (and night!).

    Tuesday
    =======

    Headed down to Mousthwaite Comb, and then along by farm roads and
    tracks to Wallthwaite, Lobbs, and the bridleway leading to the old bridle
    road below Great Dodd and Clough Head. A notice on the bridleway warned
    that it might be impassible to horses when wet! I kept to the bridleway,
    hoping perhaps to find drier ground. I did for the first part of the
    journey, but then all signs of the bridleway vanished in a large marsh.
    No problems getting through, but *very* wet!

    Then up along Mosedale Gill to Calfhow Pike and Great Dodd. An easy
    grassy ascent beside a very attractive stream with good bathing. The wind
    was still going strong on Great Dodd; I walked into its teeth to Watson's
    Dodd and Stybarrow Dodd. Then down into Sticks Pass for the night. I was
    a little nervous of what I'd find, not having camped here before (or
    indeed having heard of anyone doing so). But I found myself an excellent,
    calm, heathery pitch just the opposite side of the beck from the path, and
    slept very well. And there was even some sun in the evening!

    Wednesday
    =========

    Carried on down Sticks Pass, and then took a high-level route that
    bypassed Glenridding and Patterdale villages, and enabled me simply to
    cross the road at Patterdale and head up the bridleway to Boardale Hause;
    an easy walk on a good path. The cloud was lifting as the day went on,
    and the views from the traverse just below Angle Tarn were *magnificent*.
    I had lunch (which I had jealously to protect from the attentions of a
    hungry dog) overlooking Angle Tarn. Then up to the top of Angletarn
    Pikes, and a slightly uncertain descent (where were the paths?) back to
    Boardale Hause.

    Then took the path down to Bridgend, and crossed the A592 for
    Deepdale. This superb valley (which I've explored only parts of before)
    was one of the highlights of the trip. Plenty of good camping ground and
    swimming, and the views of Fairfield's crags at the valley head were
    *magnificent*. I'd intended to camp in Deepdale, but to save time on the
    next day's journey, climbed out onto the Cofa Pike / Birks ridge (the
    final ascent was very steep), and then down to Grisedale Tarn for the
    night. Fortunately the winds were light, and I slept well.

    Thursday
    ========

    Awoke to find the mist just above the Tarn, and some drizzle
    starting. Headed down past Raise Beck (an enjoyable trip) to Dunmail
    Raise (the A591 was the first seriously busy road I'd come across). Then
    up *very* steeply but enjoyably from the Raise to Steel Fell. The rain
    had set in rather more heavily, and going was very squelchy to Calf Crag.
    The ground got even wetter as I headed to High Raise; in the end, I turned
    up the slope before Greenup Edge; this didn't save any time, but did save
    a bit of squelching. The snow set in again as I reached the top and had
    lunch.

    Fortunately I could still see Stake Pass from the top, and I headed
    off again quickly, with the mist lowering behind me. A very wet, gloppy
    and tedious walk to Stake Pass and on to Angle Tarn, not helped by the
    rain and mist. A snack at the Tarn (and I wrung out my socks for the Nth
    time that day!), and then enjoyably up to the Eskdale Hause shelter, which
    was deserted. Then up to the "proper" Esk Hause and down into Eskdale
    itself; fortunately the mist lifted briefly to confirm that I was heading
    in the right direction! The descent beside the River Esk was greasy in
    places. Camped at one of my favourite sites on Great Moss.

    Friday
    ======

    The wind freshened overnight, and I was awake well before starting to
    make breakfast at 0530. (One of those camping nights when you know you
    aren't going to get any more rest, so might as well move on.) Scafell
    looked magnificent with a substantial snow covering; I was glad this last
    day's route was a relatively low-level one. Headed down Upper Eskdale
    persued by a gale/strong wind blowing snow! Just as well it was behind
    me; I didn't really have the kit to cope with this weather in my face.

    Cut around Slight Side, trying to keep out of the gale, to Quadrigg
    Moss (which was gloppy, but not too bad) and down beside Oliver Gill
    towards Burnmoor Tarn. Picked up a track which traversed easily over
    towards Illgill Head, and then had the interesting experience of being
    blown by the gale uphill to the top; I could make the same progress up the
    steep slope that I normally do on the flat! A rainbow appeared as I
    headed for the top. Then along, with the wind mostly behind me, to Whin
    Rigg, and down to the Wasdale valley and the car.

    Overall
    =======

    The weather made it a hard week. I'd been in the Lakes three weeks
    earlier, and had sunshine and warmth; this week, I kept my fleece (which I
    normally wear only in the coldest conditions) on throughout; and my wooly
    hat! I made one of the days too long. And I seriously thought of giving
    up more than once.

    But it was good to look from one group of fells to another, and
    recognise my journey between them. The bad weather meant that the hills
    were very quiet; I typically saw about four parties a day. And several
    times I thought, "This really is a lovely part of the District. I must
    come back here again." And I emerged feeling tired, and cold, but *very*
    calm and spaced out. I'll go on another long trip yet.

    Mark
    --
    Mark Manning [email hidden]

  2. "Mark Manning" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Plan
    ====

    The idea was to spend eight days (seven nights) in the Lakeland
    hills, climbing at least one hill from each of AW's seven guidebooks.
    Mission accomplished (but I almost gave up a couple of times)!

    My planned trip was for 86 miles, with 22,720 feet of ascent. I was
    carrying 53 lbs at the start, including food for eight days and a litre of
    water. (This weight was my weight on the hill less my body weight, that
    is it included all my clothing and items stored therein, as well as the
    pack.)

    Please read on....

    Friday
    ======

    The forecast was very iffy, but Friday turned out to be a wonderful
    day, with cloud, blue skies, sun, a *bitingly* cold wind, and a dusting of
    snow on the tops. Left the car in the Wasdale valley and headed up Middle
    Fell. This was very slow progress at first with the heavy pack. I
    normally estimate that I can do three miles an hour on the flat, but I now
    felt I was doing more like one! But I soon got used to the extra load.

    Had lunch on Middle Fell out of the wind, and then headed down
    towards Haycock. The original plan was to do Seatallan, but I was a bit
    concerned about finding good camping in these slightly tricky conditions,
    so I left it out. Had to change out of my Tevas as I left the top, as my
    feet were exposed to the biting wind for the first time! Then over the
    boggy ground to Haycock, and up Gowder Crag; I never see why AW makes a
    fuss about Gowder Crag, as it's an extremely easy scramble, even with a
    heavy pack.

    The plan was to descend along the wall to the col with Scoat Fell,
    and then drop into Great Cove for the night. This would have involved
    descending into, and camping in, the teeth of the gale; really not on. So
    I contoured round to Scoat Tarn and camped there. Put my footwear and
    socks out to dry in the sun; everything was frozen when I took it in
    later. Uh oh....

    Saturday
    ========

    Cloud was just brushing the tarn when I woke after a cold night. I
    hadn't planned to cope with these conditions; I would normally have had an
    extra fleece or two. But it was just about manageable. An easy day was
    planned: the ridge via Scoat Fell, Pillar, the Gables, Brandreth and
    Haystacks.

    Lying in the sleeping bag about 0900, I heard something icy hit the
    tent, and looked out to see that it was snowing fairly hard! So I packed
    quickly. Going along the ridge (and particularly the scrambly descent by
    Black Crag) was out in the wet slippery snow (and with no proper winter
    footwear). And I didn't fancy going over to Ennerdale via the Haycock col
    in mist and snow, either. So I slogged down past Nether Beck to the road.
    The snow was very tenacious, turning to pretty continuous rain only low
    down. Then along the road beside the lake.

    I stopped for lunch at a memorial seat, and thought very seriously of
    giving up, given the weather conditions. But the car was a good walk
    away, and I thought I should at least see if I could get over Black Sail
    pass to get to Ennerdale. If I couldn't, then I would abandon the trip,
    as I couldn't get out of Wasdale!

    So I headed for the pass; the heavy rain finally stopped about 1500.
    Fortunately, the pass was (just) clear, and I descended easily into
    Ennerdale. Camped at the head of the valley; the original idea was to
    camp on Haystacks, but the mist was brushing the top, and I thought I'd be
    warmer in the valley.

    Sunday
    ======

    Awoke to find the mist had settled at valley level. But the day
    improved. Climbed beside the beck to the Haystacks/Brandreth col; the
    mist was quite thick, but there wasn't too much wind, mercifully. Then on
    rather carefully to the top of Brandreth, and over the ridge to Grey
    Knotts. The cloud started to lift here, and I got my first views since
    Friday. Lunch on the steep and rocky descent to Honister. Then steeply
    up to Dale Head. The cloud was clearing all the time, and the sun had
    started to come out.

    Descended by the Launchy Tarn route to Stonethwaite; AW's fence to
    the Tarn and beyond has pretty well disappeared. I was very fortunate
    that the day was clear; this journey (which I hadn't done before) would
    have been a nightmare in mist. Steeply down beside the beck (a quick and
    enjoyable descent) and then through Johnny's Wood in the sun (at last!),
    crossing the B road to Stonethwaite (which was very quiet) and then up to
    Dock Tarn. It took me a while to find a campsite; Dock Tarn may look a
    lot like the top of Haystacks, but the underlying ground is much wetter.
    But I camped eventually in the sun with good views down Longstrath. One
    of the best days, overall.

    Monday
    ======

    Got up early for a big day (in retrospect, much too big a day).
    Headed down to Watendlath (which was deserted apart from the National
    Trust van), and headed steeply up towards the High Seat / High Tove ridge.
    I intended to make a bee-line for High Seat (this looked to be the driest
    option on the map), but ended up having to get to the ridge top because of
    fences. Very gloppy, and very hard work taking high steps to avoid the
    heather. But warm enough to wear sandals for, which helped with the wet
    ground. Then north along the ridge to Bleaberry Fell, with a very good
    view from the top (but still a cold wind).

    Down to Walla Crag for lunch, and then a lowland trek (Rakefoot Farm,
    Castlerigg Stone Circle, Derwentfolds) to Blencathra's east side. Up
    beside Roughton Gill (an easy ascent; I didn't fancy anything steep with a
    big pack). The mist covered over the top as I approached; I found myself
    aiming at the top of Sharp Edge, which I definitely didn't want, and had
    to divert to get to Blencathra.

    Finally down to Scales Tarn for the night. A awe-inspiring spot for
    views, but the wind was whipping the tent at the site, and I was simply
    too tired to look for a more sheltered spot. So I didn't get much sleep
    as gusts (which must have been approaching gale force) rattled the tent
    during the night. A very hard day (and night!).

    Tuesday
    =======

    Headed down to Mousthwaite Comb, and then along by farm roads and
    tracks to Wallthwaite, Lobbs, and the bridleway leading to the old bridle
    road below Great Dodd and Clough Head. A notice on the bridleway warned
    that it might be impassible to horses when wet! I kept to the bridleway,
    hoping perhaps to find drier ground. I did for the first part of the
    journey, but then all signs of the bridleway vanished in a large marsh.
    No problems getting through, but *very* wet!

    Then up along Mosedale Gill to Calfhow Pike and Great Dodd. An easy
    grassy ascent beside a very attractive stream with good bathing. The wind
    was still going strong on Great Dodd; I walked into its teeth to Watson's
    Dodd and Stybarrow Dodd. Then down into Sticks Pass for the night. I was
    a little nervous of what I'd find, not having camped here before (or
    indeed having heard of anyone doing so). But I found myself an excellent,
    calm, heathery pitch just the opposite side of the beck from the path, and
    slept very well. And there was even some sun in the evening!

    Wednesday
    =========

    Carried on down Sticks Pass, and then took a high-level route that
    bypassed Glenridding and Patterdale villages, and enabled me simply to
    cross the road at Patterdale and head up the bridleway to Boardale Hause;
    an easy walk on a good path. The cloud was lifting as the day went on,
    and the views from the traverse just below Angle Tarn were *magnificent*.
    I had lunch (which I had jealously to protect from the attentions of a
    hungry dog) overlooking Angle Tarn. Then up to the top of Angletarn
    Pikes, and a slightly uncertain descent (where were the paths?) back to
    Boardale Hause.

    Then took the path down to Bridgend, and crossed the A592 for
    Deepdale. This superb valley (which I've explored only parts of before)
    was one of the highlights of the trip. Plenty of good camping ground and
    swimming, and the views of Fairfield's crags at the valley head were
    *magnificent*. I'd intended to camp in Deepdale, but to save time on the
    next day's journey, climbed out onto the Cofa Pike / Birks ridge (the
    final ascent was very steep), and then down to Grisedale Tarn for the
    night. Fortunately the winds were light, and I slept well.

    Thursday
    ========

    Awoke to find the mist just above the Tarn, and some drizzle
    starting. Headed down past Raise Beck (an enjoyable trip) to Dunmail
    Raise (the A591 was the first seriously busy road I'd come across). Then
    up *very* steeply but enjoyably from the Raise to Steel Fell. The rain
    had set in rather more heavily, and going was very squelchy to Calf Crag.
    The ground got even wetter as I headed to High Raise; in the end, I turned
    up the slope before Greenup Edge; this didn't save any time, but did save
    a bit of squelching. The snow set in again as I reached the top and had
    lunch.

    Fortunately I could still see Stake Pass from the top, and I headed
    off again quickly, with the mist lowering behind me. A very wet, gloppy
    and tedious walk to Stake Pass and on to Angle Tarn, not helped by the
    rain and mist. A snack at the Tarn (and I wrung out my socks for the Nth
    time that day!), and then enjoyably up to the Eskdale Hause shelter, which
    was deserted. Then up to the "proper" Esk Hause and down into Eskdale
    itself; fortunately the mist lifted briefly to confirm that I was heading
    in the right direction! The descent beside the River Esk was greasy in
    places. Camped at one of my favourite sites on Great Moss.

    Friday
    ======

    The wind freshened overnight, and I was awake well before starting to
    make breakfast at 0530. (One of those camping nights when you know you
    aren't going to get any more rest, so might as well move on.) Scafell
    looked magnificent with a substantial snow covering; I was glad this last
    day's route was a relatively low-level one. Headed down Upper Eskdale
    persued by a gale/strong wind blowing snow! Just as well it was behind
    me; I didn't really have the kit to cope with this weather in my face.

    Cut around Slight Side, trying to keep out of the gale, to Quadrigg
    Moss (which was gloppy, but not too bad) and down beside Oliver Gill
    towards Burnmoor Tarn. Picked up a track which traversed easily over
    towards Illgill Head, and then had the interesting experience of being
    blown by the gale uphill to the top; I could make the same progress up the
    steep slope that I normally do on the flat! A rainbow appeared as I
    headed for the top. Then along, with the wind mostly behind me, to Whin
    Rigg, and down to the Wasdale valley and the car.

    Overall
    =======

    The weather made it a hard week. I'd been in the Lakes three weeks
    earlier, and had sunshine and warmth; this week, I kept my fleece (which I
    normally wear only in the coldest conditions) on throughout; and my wooly
    hat! I made one of the days too long. And I seriously thought of giving
    up more than once.

    But it was good to look from one group of fells to another, and
    recognise my journey between them. The bad weather meant that the hills
    were very quiet; I typically saw about four parties a day. And several
    times I thought, "This really is a lovely part of the District. I must
    come back here again." And I emerged feeling tired, and cold, but *very*
    calm and spaced out. I'll go on another long trip yet.

    Mark
    --
    Mark Manning

    sounds quite an adventure 🙂 i used to do winter walks/camps but feel a
    bit too old for it these days, just stick to easy summer going now 🙂 but
    you stuck it out

    [email hidden]

  3. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    --
    A child will not spill on a dirty floor.
    [Murphy's Laws of Parenting]


    Huh. Oh yes it will. A child can spill anything anywhere.
    And often does.
    --
    If you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs...
    then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the
    situation.

  4. Mark Manning said:

    "This really is a lovely part of the District. I must
    come back here again."

    I've felt like that time and time again. It's thirty years since I
    wild-camped in Lakeland but you've reminded me of some of the trips I
    did in those days. I never had the cold conditions you had over such a
    period though I've had plenty of daytrips in the snow since I moved
    here. Great trip! Great report! Thanks.

    John D.
    --
    John Dawson at home in Kendal, Cumbria.
    Lake District Walks Web Pages: http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/
    44 detailed walks, 400+ photographs, GPS data, Screen Saver

  5. On 20 Apr 2005 16:03:19 GMT, Mark Manning <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Absolutely inspiring stuff, Mark! I'm really hoping to get up for a
    week during the summer and do something like that. Many thanks indeed
    for posting.

    I'd be very interested to know what tent you were using, and what sort
    of food you were eating. 8 days' food is a *lot* to be carrying from
    the start!

    Best wishes,
    --
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  6. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    --
    A child will not spill on a dirty floor.
    [Murphy's Laws of Parenting]


    Huh. Oh yes it will. A child can spill anything anywhere.
    And often does.

    See below. I've paraphrased a little.

    That wording's much better than mine.

    Quoted message said:

    Happy? Shall I add as a permanent amendment? <g>

    --
    A child will not spill on a dirty floor.
    [Murphy's Laws of Parenting]
    A child can and will spill anything - anywhere and often.
    [Fran's confutation]


    Ooh, I've been immortalised!
    --
    If you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs...
    then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the
    situation.

  7. I noticed that Message-ID:
    <[email hidden]> from Fran contained the
    following:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A child will not spill on a dirty floor.
    [Murphy's Laws of Parenting]
    A child can and will spill anything - anywhere and often.
    [Fran's confutation]


    Ooh, I've been immortalised!

    oo, can I be? I once rewrote the first line of Desiderata to use as a
    sign on the kids bedroom.

    "Go placidly amid the toys and waste".

    --
    Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
    It's only Usenet, no one dies.
    My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
    Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker/

  8. Mark Manning said:


    The idea was to spend eight days (seven nights) in the Lakeland
    hills, climbing at least one hill from each of AW's seven guidebooks.
    Mission accomplished (but I almost gave up a couple of times)!

    My planned trip was for 86 miles, with 22,720 feet of ascent. I was
    carrying 53 lbs at the start, including food for eight days and a litre of
    water. (This weight was my weight on the hill less my body weight, that
    is it included all my clothing and items stored therein, as well as the
    pack.)

    Great TR, Mark.

    53lbs ? Blimey! I struggle with 30lb.

    Judith

  9. I noticed that Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    from Judith contained the following:

    Quoted message said:

    53lbs ? Blimey! I struggle with 30lb.

    53lbs? That's the weight of my dog...

    --
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  10. Geoff Berrow said:


    Quoted message said:

    53lbs ? Blimey! I struggle with 30lb.

    53lbs? That's the weight of my dog...

    Geoff, let the lazy beggar walk. He won't feel so heavy that way!

    Judith

  11. I noticed that Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    from Judith contained the following:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    53lbs? That's the weight of my dog...

    Geoff, let the lazy beggar walk. He won't feel so heavy that way!

    Hey better than that, I'll attach a harness and get him to pull me up
    the hills..:-)

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  12. Peewiglet said:

    I'd be very interested to know what tent you were using, and what sort
    of food you were eating. 8 days' food is a *lot* to be carrying from
    the start!

    Many thanks for your kind words, PW. If I remember rightly, you
    already have the tent I used: a Hilleberg Akto. It performed wonderfully
    in sometimes difficult conditions. Camped at Scales Tarn, you could hear
    a "packet" of wind whistling around, and it would hit the tent a few
    seconds later; the tent shook violently, but stayed happily fixed, and
    no pegs had moved when I looked out in the morning. I was really pleased
    with the tent: I can't imagine these packets of wind were less than gale
    force.

    As for food: the "menu" was something like this:

    breakfast
    =========

    porridge mix (60g Ready Brek, 25g dried milk, 1/2oz butter)
    maple syrup with the above
    Horlicks light (a nice not-too-sweet drink for breakfast)
    coffee-bag coffee

    snacks (2 off)
    ======

    break bar and a dried fruit bar

    lunch
    =====

    oatcakes and either Primula or tofu tomato pate
    home-made fruitcake or flapjack

    supper
    ======

    two portions of cup-a-soup
    dehydrated meal, normally from Tesco: pasta with mushroom sauce,
    curried rice, couscous
    custard-based pudding, with either dried fruit or chocolate

    brews
    =====

    fruit tea

    The food for the eight days / seven nights weighed 13.5 lbs; I'll use
    caches next time I do a walk of this length. Though it was nice to see the
    rucksack emptying as I got through the food!

    Hope this is useful!
    Mark
    --
    Mark Manning [email hidden]

  13. Judith said:

    Great TR, Mark.

    Thank you!

    Quoted message said:

    53lbs ? Blimey! I struggle with 30lb.

    It's not perhaps as bad as it sounds, as the 53lbs included everything
    I was wearing, food for eight days / seven nights, and water. I was
    wearing 6 1/4 lbs of kit (clothing, footwear, map and compass); the food
    weighed 13.5 lbs, the water 2 lbs. So the normally-quoted "pack" weight
    was about 33lbs, which seems reasonable for a week. I had a choice of
    footwear, and used *everything* apart from my sun hat and sunglasses!

    Mark
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  14. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ooh, I've been immortalised!

    oo, can I be? I once rewrote the first line of Desiderata to use as a
    sign on the kids bedroom.

    "Go placidly amid the toys and waste".


    Oh, so you've seen my house then?
    --
    If you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs...
    then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the
    situation.

  15. I noticed that Message-ID:
    <[email hidden]> from Fran contained the
    following:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Go placidly amid the toys and waste".


    Oh, so you've seen my house then?

    :-)

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  16. Bootlaces said:

    (I find custard & banana chips quite palatable for breakfast).

    Thanks for the tip! I tend to stick to non-sweet things at breakfast
    myself, as I find my blood sugar crashes an hour or two otherwise. But
    "bananas" and custard for pudding is a nice idea.

    Quoted message said:

    I take it you also carried fuel for the whole shebang? What fuel and how
    much? Any worries at the time that you were going to have to hit the
    shops for some more?

    I took two 220g (net) canisters of Coleman gas (I have a Coleman
    Mark 1 Alpine stove). I expected to get through about 40g gas a day, and
    whilst I haven't weighed the canisters since I got back, I'm pretty sure
    that's about the amount I used. So I wasn't worried about running out,
    mercifully.

    Hope this is useful!
    Mark
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  17. Mark Manning said:

    The idea was to spend eight days (seven nights) in the Lakeland
    hills, climbing at least one hill from each of AW's seven guidebooks.
    Mission accomplished (but I almost gave up a couple of times)!

    You really can pick 'em Mark - not quite the weather really for such a
    bizarre challenge. Sounds like a good adventure though, hmmm...

    Quoted message said:

    A notice on the bridleway warned > that it might be impassible to horses when wet!
    I kept to the bridleway,
    hoping perhaps to find drier ground. I did for the first part of the
    journey, but then all signs of the bridleway vanished in a large marsh.

    Notice that the bridleway is a theoretical one - green dashes but no
    underlying pecked line on the map, which usually means non-existent on
    the ground. And hard or very wet going too.

    Quoted message said:

    Then down into Sticks Pass for the night. I was
    a little nervous of what I'd find, not having camped here before (or
    indeed having heard of anyone doing so). But I found myself an excellent,
    calm, heathery pitch just the opposite side of the beck from the path, and
    slept very well.

    We camped at Sticks Pass once but don't recall any significant heathery
    bits anywhere.

    Quoted message said:

    Camped at one of my favourite sites on Great Moss.

    Were there many others there?. There usually are.

    An absorbing TR Mark, you should have a website to write it all up.

    Regards

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  18. On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:56:37 +0100, Bootlaces <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Caches are a really nice idea. I love the idea of unearthing little
    treasure troves along the way :-)

    Can be a bit of a b*mmer when you find that a local rodent has been
    helping themself.

    Yup, I can see how that could get disappointing... :-)

    Best wishes,
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  19. Peewiglet said:

    On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:56:37 +0100, Bootlaces <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Caches are a really nice idea. I love the idea of unearthing little
    treasure troves along the way :-)

    Can be a bit of a b*mmer when you find that a local rodent has been
    helping themself.

    Yup, I can see how that could get disappointing... :-)

    You need a tin box.

    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  20. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:
    Bootlaces said:

    On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:08:12 +0100
    in <news:[email hidden]>
    Phil Cook <[email hidden]> wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    Peewiglet wrote:

    >On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:56:37 +0100, Bootlaces <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >[...]
    >>> Caches are a really nice idea. I love the idea of unearthing little
    >>> treasure troves along the way :-)
    >>
    >>Can be a bit of a b*mmer when you find that a local rodent has been
    >>helping themself.
    >
    >Yup, I can see how that could get disappointing... :-)

    You need a tin box.

    How does that stop two-legged rodents?

    In the case of two legged thieves you need to hide it better, they
    lack a sense of smell.


    And lock the key inside. That way it can't be opene... Ah.
    As you were then...
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    situation.

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