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  1. Todays ride: (Coker, 150 cranks, mostly rolling hills, some flat)
    17.13 miles before my first dismount, 24.5 miles total with only the one
    dismount. Total elapsed time 2 hours 19 minutes, average speed
    10.9mph

    Of course those aren’t any big numbers compared to many who post here,
    but as I get a few more Coker miles behind me I have found that setting
    small goals keeps me going. I have not gone for any impressive distance
    goals yet. Over the last couple of months I have done a 34, 30, and
    about 6 rides in the 24-27 mile range.

    Nathan Hoover’s mention in his Tahoe ride thread of riding 14+ miles
    without a dismount gave me a new goal for my Sunday Coker ride. I
    decided to see how far I could go before my first dismount, and I was
    riding on a seat built the same as the one I built for Nathan. I didn’t
    know how it would go, as I usually dismount when things get
    uncomfortable, and I am also often stopping to make tilt and pressure
    adjustments as a part of my information-gathering process.

    The loop I was riding is 24.5 miles long, and at 17.13 miles is the
    steepest climb of the ride. As I had feared, my legs cramped on that
    climb, and I was forced to dismount. I walked to the top of the hill
    and stretched for about 3 minutes, then remounted and cruised to the
    finish without another stop, against a steady headwind. I think I may
    have been able to finish the whole ride without a dismount if it had not
    been for my cramping on that hill, but I probably would have been
    sorry.

    The goal of no-dismounts was fun, but I think it has left my legs more
    sore than they would have been if I would have stopped a little sooner
    and a little more often. There may be other reasons for stopping
    occasionally even if crotch pain doesn’t force it.

    I would like to hear what the average dismount intervals are for some of
    you other “distance” riders, regardless of wheel size or experience
    level.
    Is it sit-bone pain, or crotch pain, or numbness, or your legs that
    usually cause a dismount break?

    Scott

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  2. I ride a 24 inch uni for my distance rides. Before I got an airseat, I
    had a junk seat and had to dismount every 3 or 4 miles. I have only gone
    on short rides with the air seat (6-7 miles), but I didn't need to
    dismount at all, and I felt no discomfert. It probably has more to do
    with the seat than the rider, but I could be wrong.

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  3. Scott, mind elaberating on what type seat you are using? THanks.

    As for the distance, I think the furthest I had ever ridden was right at
    11 miles without a dismount. I am far from what could be considered a
    distance rider, but hope to improve over the summer.

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  4. I was going to start my own thread on the same topic, about my own ride
    today! So I'll jumpin on yours.

    This was much shorter MUni distance with minimal mounts. Today I rode
    the Clementine Loop in Auburn, 7 miles with about 1000' of climbing,
    part on pavement, and much on very technical singletrack, with only 4
    dismounts total. That's a major personal best for me.

    In my current state of good riding skills but lousy conditioning, the
    hardest part was the long slog uphill on the first half of the ride.
    Normally I'll stop several times to rest, and ride quite a bit faster in
    between. In order to not only ride the entire paved uphill section
    (about 800' of up, mostly on pavement), and still have energy left for
    the remaining dirt climb when I got there, I had to take it dead slow.

    The problem is, riding slow on uphills is risky as well. The slower you
    go, the easier it is to get tripped up by bumps or unevenness in the
    pavement. But a slow cadence was needed to keep my heartrate where I
    could control it.

    For those not familiar with this ride, it was the first one at the first
    MUni Weekend, and we returned there to ride it again in '97, '98 and
    '03. It starts at the American River Confluence, goes under the big
    Foresthill bridge, then heads uphill until it's a couple of hundred feet
    above the bridge. Then it comes back down along a different fork of the
    river, on some of my favorite singletrack anywhere.
    http://www.unicycling.com/brett/clemen.shtml
    It was 80-90 degrees out, which is typical for this time of year.

    Amazingly, I made it all the way up the early dirt uphill, and all of
    the paved portion of the uphill. My first dismount came after about 50
    meters of uphill on the remaining climb. I took a rest. Then I managed
    to hold it together for the remainder of the climb, and rode right past
    the big oak tree at the top of the hill, where we usually stop to rest
    and wait for people.

    A little while later, I moved over to let some bikes past. I had to give
    them the courtesy, as one of them gave me one of the best quotes ever:
    "You are the coolest dude I have ever seen in my life!" I moved over
    into some weeds to let them pass. Stupid. People on bikes suck at
    passing unicyclists on singletrack. They slow down and get reluctant. So
    I UPD'd while hopping in the weeds next to the trail. This was on an
    easy piece of trail, so I prefer not to count that one as part of my
    ride score. I immediately jumped back on after they passed, so there
    would be no advantage of resting.

    Then, after riding some very gnarly and rocky downhill stuff, I UPD'd in
    a relatively easy spot. Isn't that always how it is? My official count
    was at 2. Almost all the uphill was long past, but the remainder of the
    ride was almost all singletrack with lots of rocks and narrow spots.

    I rode right through a technical spot on the trail I'm usually chicken
    to ride. No problem! I managed to continue through the culvert (tunnel),
    down to Old Foresthill Road, across the road and onto the OHV road
    (which was closed because they were updating the pavement; tar mixed
    with rocks?). My next dismount came at a spot along the Confluence Trail
    where a waterfall runs across the trail during the winter. That spot is
    here:
    http://www.unicycling.com/things/index.htm#34

    Then I fell off again on one of the technical bits where the trail lumps
    up over a slide area; steep, narrow and rocky uphill section with major
    exposure to the left (just how I like it). That was four.

    I passed a runner coming the other way, and realized I was a little rude
    as I didn't yield the right of way. Though the trail tends uphill for
    her, I was actually the one riding uphill at the time. She just stopped
    in the middle of the (narrow) trail and stared. It takes too long to
    explain why you don't want to stop or move over!

    The last time I tried to do minimal dismounts on this trail, my final
    score was seven. But that only counted UPDs, not deliberate rest stops.
    This was different. But on that last time, my last dismount was in the
    last 100' or so of the trail, on the uphill bit that comes out near the
    parked cars. I was determined not to let that happen this time! But I
    was pretty tired from all the non-stop downhill riding. Then, dread of
    all dreads, a family group was walking down as I was coming up. Mom,
    dad, little kids, grandma. Please make a space for me, I thought to
    myself, and hold onto the little ones! They did as I wished, and I was
    able to crank past them.

    I made it up to the road! But I was not finished. I had stopped several
    times on the first part of my ride, before deciding to go for a record.
    I had to continue back onto the Clementine Trail and a little ways past
    the Foresthill Bridge before my loop would be complete. I got more and
    more paranoid as I went, fearing small bumps would ruin my numbers.
    Then, just as the doubletrack was turning to singletrack, here came a
    couple of hikers. I rode real slow, hoping that would not
    mess me up before I got to their location, giving them time to get to
    the wider part. Made it! What a ride!

    I knew I'd gotten a good workout as my sweat felt cold on my body.
    That's either the body's cooling system working very well, or something
    wrong with me.

    Ride notes:

    - I love my Scott Wallis carbon handle. For my riding style a
    symmetrical handle would be more appropriate, and if he ever makes one
    I'll get that and put my current handle on a Trials uni. The smooth
    carbon makes for a wet handle as my hand sweats on it.

    - I was getting saddlesore on the long uphill slog at the beginning. The
    combination of riding real slow, for a long time without stopping, is
    bad on the crotch. I tried to shift around some, but without a longer
    handlebar system or the occasional stop, the body has limits. My seat is
    a new KH Fusion, unmodified (except for the handle).

    - The goal of minimal dismounts took a lot of fun out of the ride. The
    slowness of my uphill part took a lot of patience. It was very slow! I
    usually go quite a bit faster, and then stop when I have to. If I was in
    better shape I would have been able to roll a little faster, but I
    wanted to arrive at the final dirt uphill with energy to spare.

    Along the same lines, the fun technical sections on the second half of
    this ride were instead worrisome, potential dismount sections. All were
    approached with fear, and I rode the easier lines when possible and
    avoided all the "fun" stuff along the sides.

    Though I am very proud of my personal goal accomplishment, I would
    normally much rather do the ride with lots of stops and multiple tries
    on all the fun sections.

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  5. S_Wallis said:

    *Is it sit-bone pain, or crotch pain, or numbness, or your legs that
    usually cause a dismount break?*


    Ice cream truck (true story). Ten mile ride. One dismount. Ice cream.

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  6. S_Wallis said:

    *I would like to hear what the average dismount intervals are for some
    of you other “distance” riders, regardless of wheel size or experience
    level. Is it sit-bone pain, or crotch pain, or numbness, or your legs
    that usually cause a dismount break?*

    Saddle comfort is probably the single biggest challenge for me in
    distance riding. By 5 miles I'm usually well on the way to numbness, and
    I've never made it 10 without having to dismount. For me, it is never
    sit-bone pain and only rarely crotch pain. I lose feeling down there and
    get all scared. I'm on my second airseat--the first was a UDC-built
    miyata conversion, the second a custom-built--and this has been the case
    with both saddles.

    Since I don't like having to dismount every 3-5 miles, my normal coping
    strategy is to find a convenient lamp post or street sign or mailbox and
    pull up for a "standing break". After 30 seconds or a minute of standing
    up, things get better and I can re-rack, sit down, and get back on the
    road.

    After reading the recent threads on this, I decided to try 10 miles last
    night w/o a dismount. Made it no problem, although I still had to pull
    over thrice for standing breaks. Before the ride I let a little bit of
    air out of my saddle, which seemed to help a bit.

    Would love to see some recommendations from the big touring folks on
    their experiences.

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  7. The single biggest limiting factor for long distance unicycling has to
    be discomfort due to sitting in the seat. Back in '99 on a 44 mile ride
    I remember clearly how I rode 11 miles without a dismount at one point
    and how sore I was. After that ride I could barely walk. And that was on
    an "upgraded" Miyata seat. But with air seats and seatposts that allow
    you to adjust the angle it can be a little better.

    I never try to ride a long way without dismounts - I'm just not in the
    habit of doing that because it's usually pretty uncomfortable. Getting
    off now and then forces you to stop and see more of where you're riding
    so I guess it's a good thing. But it is nice on a bike to be able to
    crank through 30 or 40 miles if you feel like it. It's different for
    everyone though. One of the guys on the Norway tour rode a *stock*
    Miyata seat and would routinely go 40km without a dismount - just tough
    as nails I guess.

    Way to go Scott on your "test". I tried pumping up the new seat a little
    more on our ride yesterday and it was better. I think I'll tilt the seat
    up a couple more degrees this week and see how that feels.

    We are lightyears ahead of what we had in 1999 that's for sure.

    ---Nathan

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  8. The only longish ride I do consistently is my commute to work (8.2
    miles). I usually have to stop up to three times, at traffic lights
    where I have to cross. It's a very rare day when I actually manage to
    roll all three of them! When I do, I think I'm definitely more aware of
    my crotch. Otherwise those brief stops (1-2 min.) are enough to allow
    the circulation through.

    Also I like my handlebar, though someday I plan to have a longer one. By
    putting some weight on the handlebar I have less pressure on the crotch.
    Also it changes my body angle on the seat a bit as well. A longer handle
    will lower me into something a little more like a bike-riding position,
    which will also allow me to probably switch to a bike seat.

    When I ride too long in the saddle, I think what I notice first is a
    heat buildup. I don't know if it's blocked circulation or nerve
    pressure. I think just circulation. I had my fair share of nerve
    problems in my early days of riding; numbness and painful urination! If
    I feel any of that coming on I'll stop, or otherwise shift around on the
    seat as much as necessary.

    I do have a sore crotch from yesterday's ride. It was definitely much
    more constant saddle time than I'm used to, especially on trails!

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  9. The furthest I know I've been without a dismount was about 25 miles,
    riding out of London.

    That time, I fell off because I hadn't eaten enough for breakfast and I
    was hung over. I just kind of started snoozing off a bit and not paying
    attention to the bumpy country road, hit a bump and did a superman.

    I have a suspicion I may have done a bit more coming out of Nottingham
    towards Doncaster earlier this year, but I don't remember when I first
    dismounted.

    I find that on long rides it's a good idea to dismount or stand and lean
    on a post quite often, to save getting yourself really uncomfortable for
    no reason. I only do really long rides without dismounts if I forget to
    stop, or the weather is so bad I don't want to stop.

    Joe

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  10. I've been training for the STP (Seattle To Portland) ride, and so far
    I've put in 840 miles this year. As I get better at adjusting my
    posture, relieving butt pressure, and as my butt gets tougher, I'm able
    to ride farther without stopping.

    For an STP ride this is critical because if you stop too frequently your
    overall average speed can pretty easily drop down to 7-8 mph, and at
    that rate the STP would take 26-29 hours!

    I did an STP training ride on Saturday and, while it wasn't the longest
    ride I've ever done, it was certainly my fastest long ride. I managed to
    average an overall speed of 10 mph all the way to 71 miles, and then
    continued on to 77 miles in 7:49:42. That overall speed includes all
    stops, so I tried hard to minimize stops: I did the entire ride with
    just four short rest stops and one 30-second 'traffic stop'.

    For comparison, on my last long ride it took me 9:14:06 to do 77 miles,
    so I shaved off just a *little* bit of time, despite taking a hillier
    route this time. Some of the improvement is from better leg strength,
    but I think most of it is from taking the right foods, and eating while
    riding. I've gone from not eating at all on long rides (bad), to living
    on power bars (bad-simple sugars really don't work for long rides), to
    living on sandwiches, crackers, cheese, bananas, peanut butter, etc. No
    power bars, and minimal Gatorade.

    I started with 20 miles of winding around the hilly territory of
    unincorporated Woodinville, then did 23 miles on the Sammamish trail
    (124th to Log Boom and then to Marymoor), then 22 miles around Lake
    Sammamish (an unimpressive place to ride) followed by 12 miles to get
    home.

    My average speed dropped substantially at the end, due to my legs being
    exhausted and due to the closing section including a 7% uphill grade
    that continues for over a mile. Although I was tired at the end I felt
    like I could have continued riding, but after almost eight hours of
    riding mostly in the rain I was glad to stop and dry out.

    I'm not quite sure how I managed to ride all that distance in the rain
    without any UPDs caused by slippery pedals. Weird.

    Today I did a follow-up ride, to make sure I could, and I went 25.3
    miles without dismounting. I started out on the same hilly course and
    managed to average 10 mph for the first 21 miles. However cumulative leg
    weakness and that dastardly 7% uphill grade that continues for over a
    mile killed my average speed after that.

    Because I'm a statistics junkie and because I have the GPS watch to
    support my habit, here's my times every ten miles for Saturday's ride:
    10 0:59:13
    20 1:53:23 - not bad for hilly riding
    30 2:47:12
    40 3:46:13 - not bad considering this includes a ~six minute break
    50 4:49:01 - not bad considering this includes an ~eight minute
    break
    60 5:46:59
    70 6:52:50 - this includes another break
    71 6:58:57
    72 7:13:08 - notice how my breaks are coming more frequently now?
    No longer a 10 mph average.
    73 7:19:02
    74 7:26:11
    75 7:36:26
    76 7:43:17
    77 7:49:42
    Done.

    I haven't calculated the average riding speed, but I think it's
    somewhere around 10.8 mph.

    By the way, you know you're too obsessed with your GPS watch when you
    choose your riding route based on how pretty it will look when overlaid
    on satellite footage. Seriously.

    My butt is sore.

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  11. I regularly ride 15 to 20 miles a day, often on consecutive days. I
    really don't have a problem with saddle soreness. I stop every few
    miles, but never for long. I also occasionally stand up for a few
    seconds while riding. Sometimes I shift my butt around in the seat.
    I've been wearing bike shorts recently, but I don't remember having a
    problem prior to that (except for what I'm about to describe).

    Prior to riding so frequently, I did a 12 mile ride and my butt was
    sore. It was torture. At that time, I had long cranks and a low-ish
    seat on my Coker (it was set up for off-road). I put shorter cranks and
    raised the seat to "street riding" height. At that time, my spinning
    got faster, too. And I don't recall having saddle soreness after that.
    I sort of forgot about the whole issue, so I'm not sure whether there is
    a relation to any of the changes I made. So maybe one should experiment
    with different seat heights? Try riding faster? (maybe the faster
    movement invigorates the butt)

    I have KH seats on all my unicycles. It's the only thing I will sit on.

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  12. 24"
    The farthest I've gone was from my driveway to (inside) the bike shop
    "Buck's Bikes." It was mixed terrain; I rode offroad where appropriate.
    The ride included weaving through rush hour traffic and riding on the
    wrong side of the road against traffic (for a quarter mile). The total
    distance was 11.61 miles and, well here's the log entry:

    08-13-04 odo 526.8, mx 12.2, time 2.45.50, avg 5.9, dist 16.58 /rode to
    buck's bikes 11.61 w/out dismount! avg 6.1 mx 12.2!

    I stopped doing distance 24" when I couldn't motivate others to
    participate. I've heard various excuses from the locals.

    Would any San Antonio riders do some distance 24"?

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  13. well the longest i have ever gone without dismounting was about 22 miles
    on my sun with 150s i fell off out of pure pain on my "under side", i
    just stepped off and walked around for about 3 minutes and got back on
    and went home which was about 3 miles away... the most painfull three
    miles i can recall..

    Chase

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  14. uni57 said:

    *Try riding faster? (maybe the faster movement invigorates the butt)*


    In the past I have jokingly suggested this. But I think it's also
    true.

    If you ride as fast as you possibly can, you're not going to notice a
    sore crotch. At least not until you stop riding! This is my experience
    from racing. If you're riding at your limit, you have too many other
    things going on to notice an unhappy crotch at the time...

    I don't know if I did it without a dismount, but possibly my longest
    ride without a dismount was a 9 mile ract at the 1996 USA Convention in
    Chariton, Iowa. I crossed the finish line with Andy Cotter and Dustin
    Kelm. We had agreed earlier not to sprint at the end and kill each
    other. Instead we tried to annoy the timers by, to the best of our
    ability, making it a 3-way photo finish.

    Takayuki Koike still seems to hold the record for no dismounts at 100
    miles. Ouch.

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  15. S_Wallis said:

    *Bugman,
    I am working on several designs of cushions, and a very few people are
    riding on some prototypes. I really don’t want to elaborate until I
    get things more finalized. Sorry if that sounds evasive, but I will
    be giving more information before to long.
    Scott *

    Let us know when you get something you like. I thought this was just
    something you had based off of a "Nathan" seat. Not something that you
    had put together. Not trying to get you to reveal any trade secrets.😄

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  16. A year or two back, I went in for the big numbers game. Now I
    deliberately don't tkae a computer because chasing numbers can become an
    obsession.

    If I remember correctly, I did two rides over 20 miles without a stop,
    on a Coker with 150s. (IMHO, the most versatile Coker set up.) I
    think my longest ride without a dismount was 22 miles.

    It takes determination, gritted teeth, and bloody mindedness.

    Been there, done that. Stop to admire the flowers.

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  17. These are great responses, keep them coming! Some of you guys (Bruce,
    Joe, others) are maniacs.

    bugman said:

    *Let us know when you get something you like. I thought this was just
    something you had based off of a "Nathan" seat. Not something that
    you had put together. Not trying to get you to reveal any trade
    secrets.😄 *


    It would have been more clear if I had linked to Nathan's thread:'Lake
    Tahoe ride' (http://tinyurl.com/8cndc)
    I didn't want this thread to be about my seats, but about people's
    experiences, and I have enjoyed the responses.
    Yes I will let everyone know as soon as I am comfortable with the
    product.

    Seat height: I have been raising mine a little each time I do a road
    ride. I also swap the cranks to 170s and ride off-road on it almost
    every week, so I lower the seat for that and it took me a while to
    realize I need it considerably higher on the road.

    I only use my Deathgrip Handle, but I am able to easily stack my hands
    on it and support my weight to relieve pressure. Also standing up and
    pedalling works well, and is pretty easy on a downhill where you can
    just kind of "float" using the force of the pedals.

    Tom,
    I often do the leaning on a signpost thing as you mentioned, to avoid
    having to re-mount. On this ride the goal was to not stop the wheel
    from turning, and I didn't until the dismount.

    Drew,
    That is a long way on a 24", and knowing you you probably hopped a good
    part of it. While I like fast spinning on a 24 on the trails, for
    distance the big wheel is much more relaxing and rewarding for me.

    Mikefule,
    You are right about becoming a slave to the numbers, it can happen. On
    the other hand, a numeric goal is sometimes what it takes to make me get
    out and ride when other things try to interfere.

    "Try riding faster."- Yes, this definitely helps...because you get
    there sooner. 🙂

    Scott

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  18. nathan said:

    *The single biggest limiting factor for long distance unicycling has
    to be discomfort due to sitting in the seat. Back in '99 on a 44 mile
    ride I remember clearly how I rode 11 miles without a dismount at one
    point and how sore I was. After that ride I could barely walk. And
    that was on an "upgraded" Miyata seat. But with air seats and
    seatposts that allow you to adjust the angle it can be a little
    better.

    I never try to ride a long way without dismounts - I'm just not in the
    habit of doing that because it's usually pretty uncomfortable. Getting
    off now and then forces you to stop and see more of where you're
    riding so I guess it's a good thing. But it is nice on a bike to be
    able to crank through 30 or 40 miles if you feel like it. It's
    different for everyone though. One of the guys on the Norway tour rode
    a *stock* Miyata seat and would routinely go 40km without a dismount -
    just tough as nails I guess.

    Way to go Scott on your "test". I tried pumping up the new seat a
    little more on our ride yesterday and it was better. I think I'll tilt
    the seat up a couple more degrees this week and see how that feels.

    We are lightyears ahead of what we had in 1999 that's for sure.

    ---Nathan *

    Thanks Nathan. Let me know how the adjustments work out. And thanks
    for risking your tender parts for science.:eek:

    I don't know if it is a coincidence, but today my knee is a little sore,
    and it always feels great after a Coker ride. Occasional breaks may
    help the joints also somehow. I do know that the biggest discomfort I
    had in the last few miles before my dismount was that my shorts felt
    like they had crawled up and were putting pressure where they usually
    don't. I couldn't do anything about it while riding, but could have
    easily staightened it out with a quick stop. (As Tom said, "Re-rack".
    I will have to remember that one). Because I was a little
    uncomfortable, I may have changed my leg angle, which could effect my
    knee.

    I think my goal with the seat development is not to make people go a lot
    farther between dismounts, but to enjoy the time between dismounts
    more.

    A unicycle as a mode of long distance transportation is not painfully
    obvious, but is obviously painful.

    Scott

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  19. Scott, I hope you succeed in finding better saddle internals for added
    comfort. Thanks go out to all designers who have made the improvements
    we now enjoy.

    I have been thinking some about this, because better and longer comfort
    would be a real benefit. Seems like the b*ke world is moving to firmer
    saddles, especially hard underneath your sit bones. The goal is to
    suspend more of the rider's weight on bone, reducing the pressure on
    softer tissues, which protects blood flow and adds to comfort.

    I am thinking that unicyclist saddle comfort might improve using saddles
    that are much firmer underneath the rider's sit bones.

    I'll be staying tuned to your write-ups, as well as comments from
    long-time unicyclists that have been refining seats for some time.

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  20. jerryg said:

    *I've learned to wear 2 pair of cycling shorts for anything over 50
    miles in a single day, or when doing 2 day rides. I also ride with
    pretty much tire air pressure. After a while, remounting gets
    harder.*

    I've also had good luck with doubling up on shorts on my longest rides.
    Actually what I do is wear a pair of Andiamo "skins" for underwear, then
    my thickest pair of lined baggies over the top.

    I've been riding with a pretty firm cushion, but it's continuing to bug
    me after only a few miles, so the last couple rides I've lowered the
    pressure. It's feeling better, although I don't have my new seat height
    quite dialed in.

    So to not have this be a complete threadjack...Scott, I'm going to try
    some longer distance w/o dismount this weekend with the lower seat
    pressure. Will let you know how it goes.

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