Long Distance running and kidney problems???

Your friend is a [censored]' moron.

(Chris Yura) said:

Hey all,

Quick question.

One of my friends who is in med. school recently was studying something about the kidney.

There is a disease, which I do not remember the name of, that he said was caused by doing extremely
high mileage. Extremely was defined as like 80+ miles per week.

Apparantly, there is some buildup of something in the kidney, which leads to feeling tired, and
eventually your kidney *could* fail. This is what he told me, I have not verified. I didn't believe
him, but figured I'd ask.

I have been running since high school, and am well into that "extremely" high mileage group, often
peaking my mileage at 120 miles per week (not EVERY week, I do cycles).

Any confirmations, or "nah, he's just an idiot" statements??

Chris Yura said:

Any confirmations, or "nah, he's just an idiot" statements??

Nah, he's just an idiot.

I've never heard of any kidney problem that's mileage related other than haemoglobinuria which isn't
really a kidney problem.. Doesn't mean there isn't one but it's not something I'd worry about.

Tim

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Chris Yura said:

Hey all,

Quick question.

One of my friends who is in med. school recently was studying something about the kidney.

There is a disease, which I do not remember the name of, that he said was caused by doing
extremely high mileage. Extremely was defined as like 80+ miles per week.

I don't know of any cause and effect issue. A person may have a problem that is exacerbated with
heavy mileage but this is not the cause.

If he is talking about something like hyper/hyponatremia which can effect the renal system, it is
not a product of running miles per se but a case of too few or too many electrolytes,
specifically salt.

Hopefully something was lost in the translation or else he needs more time studying the
renal system.

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(Chris Yura) said:

Apparantly, there is some buildup of something in the kidney, which leads to feeling tired, and
eventually your kidney *could* fail. This is what he told me, I have not verified. I didn't believe
him, but figured I'd ask.

There has been some documented evidence of Kidney problems with high mileage+dehydration+ibuprofen.
I believe that it can also contribute to Hyponatremia. Here's a couple of links to more info:
ultrunr.comkidney.htmlOpen ↗
diynet.com0,2041,DIY 14040 227578=Open ↗ 3,00.html
atlantafit.comSeminar notes Hydration.shtmlOpen ↗ --=20 E-mail: [email hidden]

Kevin said:

There has been some documented evidence of Kidney problems with high mileage+dehydration+ibuprofen.
I believe that it can also contribute to Hyponatremia. Here's a couple of links to more info:
ultrunr.comkidney.htmlOpen ↗
diynet.com0,2041,DIY 14040 2275783,00.htmlOpen ↗
atlantafit.comSeminar notes Hydration.shtmlOpen ↗

Oh DUHHHHH you dumbass! Gee, if we run in 100 degree heat with no water, for four hours, we'll get
sick? No [censored], you're a regular [censored] Tracy dude! Thank god we have you to explain this to us.

(Chris Yura) said:

Hey all,

Quick question.

One of my friends who is in med. school recently was studying something about the kidney.

There is a disease, which I do not remember the name of, that he said was caused by doing
extremely high mileage. Extremely was defined as like 80+ miles per week.

Apparantly, there is some buildup of something in the kidney, which leads to feeling tired, and
eventually your kidney *could* fail. This is what he told me, I have not verified. I didn't
believe him, but figured I'd ask.

I have been running since high school, and am well into that "extremely" high mileage group, often
peaking my mileage at 120 miles per week (not EVERY week, I do cycles).

Any confirmations, or "nah, he's just an idiot" statements??

Noakes in the Lore Of Running mentions that some Soviet athletes were rumored to have got Addison's
disease (see niddk.nih.govaddison.htmOpen ↗ for some
definition/explanation) after excessive overtraining that went on for months and years, IIRC, in the
chapter about overtraining.

This is echoed by this quick google find:

Overtraining Syndrome. A Guide to Diagnosis, Treatment, and Prevention. Christopher J. Hawley, MD;
Robert B. Schoene,
MD. physsportsmed.comhawley.htmOpen ↗

Might be that your friend was referring to this.

OTOH, this seems to be a very rare consequence of overtraining that only develops after ignoring
other symptoms for quite some time.

--
Christian Lemburg, <[email hidden]>, clemburg.comclemburg.comOpen ↗

"Don't say yes until I finish talking."

-- Darryl F. Zanuck

Yes, google "kidney dehydration ibruprofen" for warnings about kidney damage. Its a combination of
overworking the kidney and distorting the sense of thirst. Mood drugs like prozac have also been
indicted. So have high protein diets.

Quoted message said:

Yes, google "kidney dehydration ibruprofen" for warnings about kidney damage. Its a combination of
overworking the kidney and distorting the sense of thirst. Mood drugs like prozac have also been
indicted. So have high protein diets.

Yes, but neither of these things are directly caused by high mileage.

Ibuprofen before long runs especially restricts bloodflow into the kidneys and is a bad thing to do.
There are warnings against it (such as in Gatorade SSI) and it has been discussed here before.

Dehydration is also something that has been discussed here recently, and many runners doing even
moderate mileage can become chronically dehydrated, which can put stress on the kidneys.

But NEITHER of these things is DIRECTLY caused by high mileage.

Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

lil' frenchie said:

Oh DUHHHHH you dumbass! Gee, if we run in 100 degree heat with no water, for four hours, we'll get
sick? No [censored], you're a regular [censored] Tracy dude! Thank god we have you to explain this to us.

Yeah, and if two cousins marry each other they will end up like you. Go back to your trailer park
TBR. --=20 E-mail: [email hidden]

Kevin said:

Yeah, and if two cousins marry each other they will end up like you. Go back to your trailer
park TBR.

You come out with a stupid-ass troll like that, and what did you expect? On the other subject, I
didn't know cousin Ellie and me need to be hitched to screw.

lil' frenchie said:

Gee, if we run in 100 degree heat with no water, for four hours, we'll get sick?

Not if you train to get used to it. I seem to remember someone writing here, very recently, that
they could do that with no problem. Now who was that...? ;-

steve common said:

lil' frenchie said:

Gee, if we run in 100 degree heat with no water, for four hours, we'll get sick?

Not if you train to get used to it. I seem to remember someone writing here, very recently, that
they could do that with no problem. Now who was that...? ;->

If your being fecetious (look it up) then it's not appreciated. I said I can run up to 10 miles
without H2O, and do it daily. However I wouldn't try that in 100' degree heat, even if you're
immortal like
me. There can be only one.

Been busy some with after effects of the flu and gourds of said trash plenty more neat stuff to
survive.. butt butt the last week is like not so many ridding bike as long distance and kidneys. Say
to never end of fart the most. I do got you all beat. A hippo man farting contest that evan make all
the animals bow in defeat.... try condense milk and say. mac n cheese. or say amino acid cereals. or
again whit breads and Bologna. or sandwiches and mac and cheeses and condense milk. or just anything
on order of what you don't eat. and see if kidneys work. eight e differ if you don't has the flu. A
man who can't [censored] no more. after 2 1/2 with out stopin. I did not know this twoo be posible. evan
thge no eatting for two days two..... In time when strong again........ not a dime to his name.
after a long hard battle with the flu and tee [censored]. ventures in the land of the living on his bike
to fine 10 cent cans so he can eat...after a long year of battle with no pay or help for a year
comes to a u.s.a. flay on ground. after a 50 to 70 mpr wind of say 27 hours long. He leans his bike
again the tree on over the flag and watches cop....... looks at the sun rising red and warm on his
shaw running nose. blowing cold smoke from the chill of air. thinking of cold Budweiser for a drink
in back pack. bends broken metal pole and places back in tree stand. and watches the cop who padded
his hand gun and window down and smiled. and rolled up his window and kept ridding. probe catting
donate and drinking his warm coffee. Later watches traffic all going to work. and smiles squill to
the warm sun god that warms his running nose and 5 miles in and 3 cans found....... keep your money
you. I don't want it and I don't need it or you. I am the bird. and I have learn to live with out
you....... The hobo bum.......

marty said:

If your being fecetious (look it up) then it's not appreciated.

I did look it up and there is no such word, If you mean facetious and want to use it to bust chops
then at least spell it right.

Quoted message said:

I can run up to 10 miles without H2O, and do it daily. However I wouldn't try that in 100' degree
heat, even if you're immortal like
me. There can be only one.

You are eunuch, I mean unique.

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Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]