London traffic laws

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Quoted message said:

Does anybody know if or how I can look at the London traffic code
online? And if so will they please tell me where it is.

It's no different than the Highway Code for the rest of Great Britain.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/

Rob Morley said:

In article <7d698577-c7cd-4bcb-a6aa-cee29c0bef16
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[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Does anybody know if or how I can look at the London traffic code
online? And if so will they please tell me where it is.

It's no different than the Highway Code for the rest of Great Britain.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/

Unless you're a courier ;-)

Rob Morley said:

In article <7d698577-c7cd-4bcb-a6aa-cee29c0bef16
@p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
[email hidden] says...> Does anybody know if or how I can look at the London traffic code

Quoted message said:

online? And if so will they please tell me where it is.

It's no different than the Highway Code for the rest of Great Britain.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/

Thank you sir.

Rob Morley said:

In article <7d698577-c7cd-4bcb-a6aa-cee29c0bef16
@p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,  
[email hidden] says...> Does anybody know if or how I can look at the London traffic code

Quoted message said:

online? And if so will they please tell me where it is.

It's no different than the Highway Code for the rest of Great Britain.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/

Although there are bylaws, as with most places in the UK.
Some examples are London's Red Routes, no parking in bus stops and the
Low Emission Zone. I believe London also bans pavement parking, which
is not nationally illegal.

POHB said:

I believe London also bans pavement parking, which
is not nationally illegal.

That's something I'd like to know a bit more about. Not in London
necessarily.

In the last few years I've noticed an increase in the number of
vehicles parked completely on the pavement. Often they are next to
double yellows or cars already parked on the road or pavement-side of
railings. Or they narrow the pavement so much that you may as well
walk on the road. Or all of the above.

Is it one of those things that is technically illegal but never
enforced ?

Jon

On 12 May, 09:40, Jonathan Schneider <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

POHB said:

I believe London also bans pavement parking, which
is not nationally illegal.

That's something I'd like to know a bit more about. Not in London
necessarily.

In the last few years I've noticed an increase in the number of
vehicles parked completely on the pavement. Often they are next to
double yellows or cars already parked on the road or pavement-side of
railings. Or they narrow the pavement so much that you may as well
walk on the road. Or all of the above.

Is it one of those things that is technically illegal but never
enforced ?

Jon

Don't know if this is up to date, but it is a good summary:
http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/Published/C00000622/M00003100/AI00013080/PARKINGONPAVEMENTGRASSVERGESAPPENDIXB.pdf

"There is no national prohibition on pavement parking except in
relation to heavy commercial vehicles."

"Most pavement parking will be seen as causing an obstruction and will
be dealt with by the police or traffic wardens. However, in some areas
local authorities have designated "Special Parking Areas" (SPAs) under
the Road Traffic Act 1991. In these areas the local authorities will
be responsible for parking and cars parked on the pavement could be
ticketed as contravening the parking regulations (e.g. parking on a
yellow line for example) rather than for causing an obstruction. Some
local authorities, for example Worcester, Exeter and Hereford took
their own Private Act powers to ban pavement parking within their
areas. London also took such powers under section 15 of the Greater
London Council (General Powers Act) 1974, although the situation there
is now covered by the Road Traffic Act 1991."

Seems like it isn't a criminal offence unless you actually cause a
danger or obstruction, but it may be a civil offence depending on what
the local council feels like doing.

On Mon, 12 May 2008 09:40:10 +0100 someone who may be Jonathan
Schneider <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I believe London also bans pavement parking, which
is not nationally illegal.

That's something I'd like to know a bit more about. Not in London
necessarily.

In London Highway Code Rule 244 makes it clear.

I have no idea about the south, but in Scotland it is an offence to
drive on a footway,footpath or cycle track (with some exceptions).
<http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Acts/ukpga/1984/cukpga_19840054_en_16#pt11-l1g146>
129 (5). The police seldom, if ever, enforce this law. A parked
motor vehicle has either been driven or propelled (pushed in more
common language) there. It was not magically levitated into
position.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
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Quoted message said:

In London Highway Code Rule 244 makes it clear.

"You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London"

This has always puzzled me, as a little further up the road in which
Larrington Towers is situated, there are notices /requiring/ parked vehicles
to be wholly on the pavement. Along the road that runs down the side of
Larrington Towers there are notices /requiring/ parked vehicles to be
partially on the pavement. And outside Larrington Towers, parking wholly or
partially on the pavement will get you a ticket.

Larrington Towers has been located in the London Borough of Waltham Forest
since 1965, prior to which it was in faaarkin' Essex.

--
Dave Larrington
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to Chesham, Croxley or Watford.

On Mon, 12 May 2008 11:45:50 +0100 someone who may be "Dave
Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In London Highway Code Rule 244 makes it clear.

"You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London"

This has always puzzled me, as a little further up the road in which
Larrington Towers is situated, there are notices /requiring/ parked vehicles
to be wholly on the pavement.

Perhaps you should take it up with whoever is responsible for the
signs, quoting the law mentioned in the Highway Code.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
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On May 12, 9:40 am, Jonathan Schneider <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

POHB said:

I believe London also bans pavement parking, which
is not nationally illegal.

That's something I'd like to know a bit more about. Not in London
necessarily.

In the last few years I've noticed an increase in the number of
vehicles parked completely on the pavement. Often they are next to
double yellows or cars already parked on the road or pavement-side of
railings. Or they narrow the pavement so much that you may as well
walk on the road. Or all of the above.

Is it one of those things that is technically illegal but never
enforced ?

AIUI pedestrians "keying" cars that are significantly blocking a
pavement falls into that category

best wishes
james

In news:[email hidden],
David Hansen <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to
tell us:

Quoted message said:

On Mon, 12 May 2008 11:45:50 +0100 someone who may be "Dave
Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In London Highway Code Rule 244 makes it clear.

"You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London"

This has always puzzled me, as a little further up the road in which
Larrington Towers is situated, there are notices /requiring/ parked
vehicles to be wholly on the pavement.

Perhaps you should take it up with whoever is responsible for the
signs, quoting the law mentioned in the Highway Code.

I'm not complaining. Were it enforced it would make getting to/from the
motorway network/Sainsbury's nigh-on impossible...

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
It is not possible to call a complex number from a phone box.

POHB said:

I believe London also bans pavement parking, which
is not nationally illegal.

Road Traffic Act 1974:
"a person who parks a vehicle ... wholly or partly
(a) on the verge of an urban road, or
(b) on any land which is situated between two carriageways of an urban
road and which is not a footway, or
(c) on a footway comprised in an urban road,
shall be guilty of an offence."

I haven't scrutinised subsequent act to confirm that this hasn't changed
since 1974.

--
Danny Colyer <http://www.redpedals.co.uk>
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Danny Colyer said:

POHB said:

I believe London also bans pavement parking, which
is not nationally illegal.

Road Traffic Act 1974:
"a person who parks a vehicle ... wholly or partly
(a) on the verge of an urban road, or
(b) on any land which is situated between two carriageways of an urban
road and which is not a footway, or
(c) on a footway comprised in an urban road,
shall be guilty of an offence."

Firstly, when giving a reference to legislation, please quote the
paragraph number so that it's easy to find. I had to dig a bit myself
to find that you mean RTA 1974 section 7(1), which amends the Road
Traffic Act 1972 (c.20) by inserting section 36B with the wording you
quote.

Quoted message said:

I haven't scrutinised subsequent act to confirm that this hasn't changed
since 1974.

http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/ doesn't show RTA 1972 at all, probably
because it was repealed. It shows that RTA 1974 s7 was repeated by
the Road Traffic (Consequential Provisions) Act 1988.

RT(CP)A 1988 s3 and schedule I repeal the RTA 1972 in its entirity.
RT(CP)A 1988 s1(1) suggests that they were supposed to be replaced by
RTA 1988 and the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988.

The corresponding provision of RTA 1988 appears to have been 19A -
inserted by RT(CP)A 1988, repealed by RTA 1991. RTA 1991 seems to
have all of the parking decriminalisation and it looks like there's
nothing corresponding to the original offence in the 1991 Act.

At this point I think my trail goes cold.

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