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  1. http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=5297

    After a prolonged silence which fuelled rumours of further troubles in his
    Tour de France build-up, Jan Ullrich declared today that he was satisfied
    and reassured by a four-week stint of "intensive training". Ullrich has
    reportedly spent much of the past month in his now customary training haven
    in the Metallifere hills of Tuscany.

    Speaking on his website just over a month since his last competitive outing
    at Flèche Wallonne, Ullrich confirmed his intention to return to racing at
    the TEAG Hainleite race in Germany on Saturday. The 30-year-old 'Kaiser'
    will then line up at the Tour of Germany on May 31, two days later.

    "After such a long break from racing I know that I can't expect miracles,"
    Ullrich said of his comeback.

    The German appeared keen to set the record straight on his impromptu
    sabbatical in May. In a statement clearly designed both to hit back at his
    critics and to reassure his supporters, Ullrich claimed: "I didn't embark on
    a training blitz in May because I lacked fitness: in fact, after so many
    weeks of hard work early in the year I had a very good base.

    "In the first few real competitive tests I just realised that I lacked a bit
    of race rhythm. I've improved that now," Ullrich concluded.

    The ever-sympathetic German tabloid 'Bild' made a different appraisal of
    Ullrich's form this spring: "Too fat, too slow," was their withering
    verdict.

  2. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/may04/may25news2

    Ullrich hits the Alps
    T-Mobile's leader for the Tour de France, Jan Ullrich, has taken a page from
    the Lance Armstrong handbook and set up camp in the Alps for some tests on
    the major climbs of this year's race. In particular, Ullrich has been
    training on the slopes of Alpe d'Huez, scene of what should be a crucial
    individual time trial this year. Having finished second in the Tour on five
    occasions (three behind Armstrong), Ullrich is still in search of his second
    overall victory after 1997.

    "If I would have won last year and not finished second, I probably would
    have stopped racing," Ullrich said in an interview with Bunte. "This summer
    I once again have a big goal."

    It's been another lacklustre spring for the German, who has once more
    confounded the critics with a slow start to the year and apparent excess
    weight. Nonetheless, Ullrich continues to train and insists that his
    preparations for the Tour are on track.

    "My hard training in the past few weeks has been done completely with the
    Tour de France in mind," he explained. "I've been working harder and harder,
    which I need to do in order to win the Tour, and I can feel that my form is
    coming."

  3. "{Tech439} CKuhn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    "If I would have won last year and not finished second, I probably would
    have stopped racing,"

    The heart of a champion.

  4. If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon...

    "Andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "If I would have won last year and not finished second, I probably would
    have stopped racing,"

    The heart of a champion.

  5. Quoted message said:

    After a prolonged silence which fuelled rumours of further troubles in his
    Tour de France build-up, Jan Ullrich declared today that he was satisfied
    and reassured by a four-week stint of "intensive training". Ullrich has
    reportedly spent much of the past month in his now customary training haven
    in the Metallifere hills of Tuscany.

    Don't sell him short. In the past Jan has shown the ability to
    make great progress in a short period of time. Especially when
    unencumbered by those pesky dope testers.

    He'll be roarin' in July. Count on it.

    Bob Schwartz
    [email hidden]

  6. Brian P said:

    If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon...

    Voiure Balais? Is her her name Souza?

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    "If I would have won last year and not finished second, I probably would
    have stopped racing,"

    The heart of a champion.

  7. "Andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "{Tech439} CKuhn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    "If I would have won last year and not finished second, I probably would
    have stopped racing,"

    The heart of a champion.

    I dunno - I think it's easier to admire those that choose to go out on top
    (e.g., Connie Carpenter) than those who practice what Armstrong has said
    he'd do, i.e., that if he hadn't won number five (or was it number four?) he
    would have just quit racing.

    Andy Coggan

  8. Andy Coggan said:

    "Andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "{Tech439} CKuhn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    "If I would have won last year and not finished second, I probably would
    have stopped racing,"

    The heart of a champion.

    I dunno - I think it's easier to admire those that choose to go out on top
    (e.g., Connie Carpenter) than those who practice what Armstrong has said
    he'd do, i.e., that if he hadn't won number five (or was it number four?) he
    would have just quit racing.

    Andy Coggan

    So when would you have suggested to Lance that he quit? AFter win
    number 1 or 2 or 3 or ...... The problem with the going out on top
    argument is that you often don't really know what you've got left.
    The sad cases, for many of us, I think are those who go on long after
    their best days are long past( think boxers e.g.). Even then the
    choice obviously goes to the athlete regardless of what we may wish
    they would do.

  9. "jev" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > "If I would have won last year and not finished second, I probably would
    > have stopped racing,"

    The heart of a champion.

    I dunno - I think it's easier to admire those that choose to go out on top
    (e.g., Connie Carpenter) than those who practice what Armstrong has said
    he'd do, i.e., that if he hadn't won number five (or was it number four?) he
    would have just quit racing.

    Andy Coggan

    So when would you have suggested to Lance that he quit? AFter win
    number 1 or 2 or 3 or ...... The problem with the going out on top
    argument is that you often don't really know what you've got left.
    The sad cases, for many of us, I think are those who go on long after
    their best days are long past( think boxers e.g.). Even then the
    choice obviously goes to the athlete regardless of what we may wish
    they would do.

    Hmm, what Lance has said in the past week conflicts with this. Lance said if he
    hadn't won #5, he would have "had a cold beer and come back next year."

    -Sonarrat.

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    >
    > "If I would have won last year and not finished second, I probably would
    > have stopped racing,"

    The heart of a champion.

    I dunno - I think it's easier to admire those that choose to go out on top
    (e.g., Connie Carpenter) than those who practice what Armstrong has said
    he'd do, i.e., that if he hadn't won number five (or was it number four?) he
    would have just quit racing.

    Andy Coggan

    So when would you have suggested to Lance that he quit? AFter win
    number 1 or 2 or 3 or ...... The problem with the going out on top
    argument is that you often don't really know what you've got left.
    The sad cases, for many of us, I think are those who go on long after
    their best days are long past( think boxers e.g.). Even then the
    choice obviously goes to the athlete regardless of what we may wish
    they would do.

    Sure, but Jan's a bit young yet to be thinking that way. It sounds
    more like he's got a motivational problem when it comes to training
    and racing.

    Sometimes a change of scenery helps, as in the recent example of
    Julich, he recognized in an interview (Cycle Sport?) that he's not
    likely to ever reapeat his podium finish in the TdF, but working with
    Riis he's found he enjoys racing again.

    Could be the biggest mistake Ullrich has made (extacy incident aside)
    is going back to Telekom rather than moving on to CSC.

  11. "Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    "If I would have won last year and not finished second, I probably would
    have stopped racing,"

    The heart of a champion.

    I dunno - I think it's easier to admire those that choose to go out on top
    (e.g., Connie Carpenter) than those who practice what Armstrong has said
    he'd do, i.e., that if he hadn't won number five (or was it number four?) he
    would have just quit racing.

    Andy Coggan

    Well, there is a certain inevitability in all sports, that some day
    the next big thing will come along and wash over you like a wave.
    Like how Armstrong winning his first tour must have appeared to the
    other contenders. Do you cling to the hope that you can eke out a few
    more glorious victories or call it a day?

  12. Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    In the past Jan has shown the ability to
    make great progress in a short period of time. Especially when
    unencumbered by those pesky dope testers.

    I read some time ago that athletes aren't tested during training
    periods in the US? Is that true?

    --

    dAve

  13. Dave said:

    Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    In the past Jan has shown the ability to
    make great progress in a short period of time. Especially when
    unencumbered by those pesky dope testers.

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    I read some time ago that athletes aren't tested during training
    periods in the US? Is that true?

    Well, Carl will tell you about being available for testing at any time.
    But you are correct, US athletes for the most part are not tested
    during training periods.

    If Barry Bonds was fat and sucked during spring training, I'm sure
    he could take a month off during the season for 'intensive training'
    and no one would think anything of it.

    Bob Schwartz
    [email hidden]

    Jan will be ready in July.

  14. Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    US athletes for the most part are not tested
    during training periods.

    a bit of an unfair advantage then, wouldn't you say? 🙂

    --
    dAve

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    After a prolonged silence which fuelled rumours of further troubles in


    his

    Quoted message said:
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    Tour de France build-up, Jan Ullrich declared today that he was


    satisfied

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    and reassured by a four-week stint of "intensive training". Ullrich has
    reportedly spent much of the past month in his now customary training


    haven

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    in the Metallifere hills of Tuscany.

    Don't sell him short. In the past Jan has shown the ability to
    make great progress in a short period of time. Especially when
    unencumbered by those pesky dope testers.

    He'll be roarin' in July. Count on it.

    I think you are right. The two strongest riders this year will be he and
    Armstong, IMHO. It's certainly reassuring to hear Ullrich speak confidently
    about himself as he has recently.

    Dave

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    Originally posted by Dave

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    US athletes for the most part are not tested during training periods.

    a bit of an unfair advantage then, wouldn't you say? 🙂

    --
    dAve

    Its what US sports are all about, and it's why we love them

    --

  17. Dave said:

    Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    US athletes for the most part are not tested
    during training periods.

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    a bit of an unfair advantage then, wouldn't you say? 🙂

    Not at all. The field is level. Ullrich is not tested during training
    periods.

    Bob Schwartz
    [email hidden]

    Unless, of course, he trains in nightclubs.

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    > "If I would have won last year and not finished second, I probably


    would

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    > have stopped racing,"

    The heart of a champion.

    I dunno - I think it's easier to admire those that choose to go out on


    top

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    (e.g., Connie Carpenter) than those who practice what Armstrong has said
    he'd do, i.e., that if he hadn't won number five (or was it number four?)


    he

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    would have just quit racing.

    Andy Coggan

    So when would you have suggested to Lance that he quit?

    It's not when, but why.

    Andy Coggan

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    > > "If I would have won last year and not finished second, I probably


    would

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    > > have stopped racing,"
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    > The heart of a champion.

    I dunno - I think it's easier to admire those that choose to go out on


    top

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    (e.g., Connie Carpenter) than those who practice what Armstrong has


    said

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    he'd do, i.e., that if he hadn't won number five (or was it number


    four?) he

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    would have just quit racing.

    Andy Coggan

    So when would you have suggested to Lance that he quit? AFter win
    number 1 or 2 or 3 or ...... The problem with the going out on top
    argument is that you often don't really know what you've got left.
    The sad cases, for many of us, I think are those who go on long after
    their best days are long past( think boxers e.g.). Even then the
    choice obviously goes to the athlete regardless of what we may wish
    they would do.

    Hmm, what Lance has said in the past week conflicts with this. Lance said


    if he

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    hadn't won #5, he would have "had a cold beer and come back next year."

    -Sonarrat.

    So why read anything more into Ullrich's equally-offhand comment?

    Andy Coggan

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Andy Coggan said:
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    Hmm, what Lance has said in the past week conflicts with this. Lance said


    if he hadn't won #5, he would have "had a cold beer and come back next year."

    So why read anything more into Ullrich's equally-offhand comment?

    I didn't. I'm not even sure I believe it, hindsight can be 20/20 but
    the emotions don't make the frame. He would have stuck around to try
    again, I'm sure.

    -Sonarrat.

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