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  1. This is even gnarlier than I thought.

    Two women were riding the trial together when the lion leaped onto the back of one of them. The
    other girl grabbed here friends foot/leg as the cat had her head. The cat dragged both of them down
    the hillside about 100 yds as the one girl tried fighting it off her friend.

    The local news played the 911 call some other witness made. He said the girl's face was gone. The
    second, deceased, victim was found in the same are as the EMTs were rescuing the girl.

    That damn cat probably dragged her off with her head in it's mouth. The victim's friend said the
    lion was unbelievably strong and wouldn't give up.

    The victim is a former marine and personal trainer. I'm sure her great conditioning helped. She was
    upgraded to stable cond. from critical last night

    The rangers killed a 110 lb. lion last night, but the park is closed until further notice pending
    the investigation.

    Man, this is hardcore.

    :::
    Slacker

  2. Sheesh... guess I should've scanned all the posts first ;~)

    Carry on.

  3. Slacker said:

    snip news<

    The rangers killed a 110 lb. lion last night, but the park is closed until further notice pending
    the investigation.

    Man, this is hardcore.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >


    Slacker

    Damn! That's rough. I actually saw a mountain lion once while riding in California in the mid-90's.
    At the time I thought it was cool to see it go streaking across the trail and off into the brush. At
    the time I figured a 180 lb guy crashing over the ground on a noisy mechanical contraption would
    scare the hell out of any mountain lion looking for supper. Obviously I was mistaken. Though, it
    makes me wonder if there wasn't something wrong with the cat. Its not like the victim was wearing
    Eau de Sirloin or was impersonating a bunny rabbit. That was either one really hungry or really
    demented animal. I'd think even a predator like that would normally want to avoid something as big
    or bigger than itself.

    My prayers go out to the poor woman. Good to hear she's stable, but she's probably gonna have a
    tough road ahead while they put her face back together.

    Tom (who probably wouldn't taste very good)

  4. Slacker said:

    This is even gnarlier than I thought.

    Two women were riding the trial together when the lion leaped onto the back of one of them. The
    other girl grabbed here friends foot/leg as the cat had her head. The cat dragged both of them
    down the hillside about 100 yds as the one girl tried fighting it off her friend.

    The local news played the 911 call some other witness made. He said the girl's face was gone. The
    second, deceased, victim was found in the same

    foxnews.com0,2933,107812,00.html

  5. Quoted message said:

    me wonder if there wasn't something wrong with the cat. Its not like the victim was wearing Eau
    de Sirloin or was impersonating a bunny rabbit. That was either one really hungry or really
    demented animal.

    Funny you say that. An avid hunter/friend at work said the same thing.

    Quoted message said:

    My prayers go out to the poor woman. Good to hear she's stable, but she's probably gonna have a
    tough road ahead while they put her face back together.

    Well said.

    Quoted message said:

    Tom (who probably wouldn't taste very good)

  6. On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:22:13 -0800, "Slacker" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    This is even gnarlier than I thought.

    Two women were riding the trial together when the lion leaped onto the back of one of them. The
    other girl grabbed here friends foot/leg as the cat had her head. The cat dragged both of them down
    the hillside about 100 yds as the one girl tried fighting it off her friend.

    The local news played the 911 call some other witness made. He said the girl's face was gone. The
    second, deceased, victim was found in the same are as the EMTs were rescuing the girl.

    That damn cat probably dragged her off with her head in it's mouth. The victim's friend said the
    lion was unbelievably strong and wouldn't give up.

    The victim is a former marine and personal trainer. I'm sure her great conditioning helped. She was
    upgraded to stable cond. from critical last night

    The rangers killed a 110 lb. lion last night, but the park is closed until further notice pending
    the investigation.

    Man, this is hardcore.

    :::
    Slacker

    My hat's off to her friend, world needs more people like that. I hope the victim recovers quickly.

    Peace, Bill ...one speed to rule them all, one speed to find them, one speed to bring them all and
    on the trails pass them In the Land of Avalon where the geared pigs lie...

  7. Mountain lions can kill prey larger than they are, they pounch from the rear and go for the neck
    crushing the windpipe death comes quick.

    A biker is about the same mass and mobility, only slower and less manuverable than a large buck,
    easy prey by comparison, not too reactive to slight noises and other stimulus like a deer; a biker
    would appear more like a sick animal lumbering along the trail.

    Anyway, everyone I've spoken with is concerned for Anne Hjelle, a.k.a."the poor woman" we all wish
    her a speedy recovery and to Debbie Nichols for having lived through such a tramatic ordeal.

    JeffP...

    "tcmedara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CSILb.70870$hf1.69692@lakeread06...

    Quoted message said:
    Slacker said:

    snip news<

    The rangers killed a 110 lb. lion last night, but the park is closed until further notice
    pending the investigation.

    Man, this is hardcore.

    Quoted message said:

    >>


    Slacker

    Damn! That's rough. I actually saw a mountain lion once while riding in California in the mid-
    90's. At the time I thought it was cool to see it go streaking across the trail and off into the
    brush. At the time I figured a 180 lb guy crashing over the ground on a noisy mechanical
    contraption would scare the hell out of any mountain lion looking for supper. Obviously I was
    mistaken. Though, it makes me wonder if there wasn't something wrong with the cat. Its not like
    the victim was wearing Eau de Sirloin or was impersonating a bunny rabbit. That was either one
    really hungry or really demented animal. I'd think even a predator like that would normally want
    to avoid something as big or bigger than itself.

    My prayers go out to the poor woman. Good to hear she's stable, but she's probably gonna have a
    tough road ahead while they put her face back together.

    Tom (who probably wouldn't taste very good)

  8. tcmedara said:

    ... Though, it makes me wonder if there wasn't something wrong with the cat. Its not like the
    victim was wearing Eau de Sirloin or was impersonating a bunny rabbit. That was either one really
    hungry or really demented animal...

    There was almost certainly something wrong with the cat. May have been just a bad case of getting
    too habituated to having humans around. I say this because it is SO rare statistically for lions to
    treat humans like prey. And they really aren't that uncommon. They are out there, wherever there's a
    substantial deer herd.

    A wildlife biologist once told me that the land just north of where I live has one of the highest
    concentrations of lions per square mile of anywhere in the lower 48. I have never seen a lion up
    there. There's a healthy deer herd, and the lions do what comes naturally, feed on deer and avoid
    getting anywhere close to people.

    That's what makes this case so bizarre. Not only did the cat kill and feed on one human, it went
    back later and tried to use the same strategy on Ms. Hjelle.
    --
    Tom Purvis - arkansasvalley.nettpurvis
    Salida, CO

  9. JeffP said:

    Mountain lions can kill prey larger than they are, they pounch from the rear and go for the neck
    crushing the windpipe death comes quick.

    A biker is about the same mass and mobility, only slower and less manuverable than a large buck,
    easy prey by comparison, not too reactive to slight noises and other stimulus like a deer; a biker
    would appear more like a sick animal lumbering along the trail.

    Anyway, everyone I've spoken with is concerned for Anne Hjelle,
    a.k.a."the poor woman" we all wish her a speedy recovery and to Debbie Nichols for having lived
    through such a tramatic ordeal.

    JeffP...

    No doubt, everyone is concerned and praying for Anne.

    A quick video of Anne's badass friend here. BTW, I hear she's a DH'er. ktla.trb.comktla me lion9jan09 lat,0,2768622.story
    3

    --
    Slacker

  10. Slacker said:
    Quoted message said:

    me wonder if there wasn't something wrong with the cat. Its not like the victim was wearing Eau
    de Sirloin or was impersonating a bunny rabbit. That was either one really hungry or really
    demented animal.

    Funny you say that. An avid hunter/friend at work said the same thing.

    Quoted message said:

    My prayers go out to the poor woman. Good to hear she's stable, but she's probably gonna have a
    tough road ahead while they put her face back together.

    Well said.

    From what I've read about mountain lions, they are relatively
    non-discriminatory predators. Humans will do 'em in a pinch.

    Don't act like food if you see one, because you are soft and taste good with ketchup.

    If I ever see one and have pepper spray with me, I'd be just as likely to spray *myself* as to try
    to spray the cat. That [censored] can't possibly taste good, can it?

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawall
    "We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
    a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
    them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
    could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
    instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

  11. Tom Purvis said:
    tcmedara said:

    ... Though, it makes me wonder if there wasn't something wrong with the cat. Its not like the
    victim was wearing Eau de Sirloin or was impersonating a bunny rabbit. That was either one really
    hungry or really demented animal...

    There was almost certainly something wrong with the cat. May have been just a bad case of getting
    too habituated to having humans around. I say this because it is SO rare statistically for lions
    to treat humans like prey. And they really aren't that uncommon. They are out there, wherever
    there's a substantial deer herd.

    Whether their was something particular "wrong" with the cat depends on your perspective. All cougars
    (if they live long enough) go through various transitional phases: the survivorship curve varies
    from vary young cubs to adulthood. As young animals disperse from their natal home range (usually
    between 16 to 24 months of age) they enter a phase where they have to fend for themselves for the
    first time. It is not uncommon for transient individuals to go through "difficult times" and to rely
    on less traditional prey from time to time. Keep in mind one of the important tenants of Darwin's
    theory of evolution by natural selection is that more offspring are born then can possibly survive
    into the next generation. So yes the cat may have been nutritionally stressed (hopefully the
    necropsy will provide us some answers), but that is not an uncommon problem for young animals; some
    make it and others succumb to the difficulties of trying to live. Their is no evidence of cats
    becoming habituated to humans in these rural/urban areas. Any large animal has good capacity for
    learning the landscape and it is reasonable to believe that cougars that come into contact with
    humans more often then their more rural brothers, have learned to cope with us
    - is this unnatural? - I think not. Researchers in the White Sands area of New Mexico (an areas
    where cougars almost never encounter a human) found that when they purposely approached resting
    cougars (radio-tagged) within 3 to 5 meters in only a small percentage of time did the cougar
    exhibit a threatening or aggressive posture - this is typical of behavior that some have suggested
    demonstrates habituation, yet these cougars had no real contact with humans, except for limited
    exposure to researchers (nothing like various trailheads near urban centers.

    Quoted message said:

    A wildlife biologist once told me that the land just north of where I live has one of the highest
    concentrations of lions per square mile of anywhere in the lower 48. I have never seen a lion up
    there. There's a healthy deer herd, and the lions do what comes naturally, feed on deer and avoid
    getting anywhere close to people.

    Actually, research in the oak woodland habitats of the Diablo Range in California (above San Jose)
    has reported one of the highest density estimates in the U.S. 10 adult cougars per 100 square miles;
    most reports for Colorado are closer to 6 to 8 adults for 100 square miles.

    Quoted message said:

    That's what makes this case so bizarre. Not only did the cat kill and feed on one human, it went
    back later and tried to use the same strategy on Ms. Hjelle.

    This is actually one of the least bizarre parts of the story, either the cat was protecting its prey
    (something they do often) or had determined that new prey walk in on it - an easy lunch (something
    that is also reported in the literature).

    Rick

    Quoted message said:

    Tom Purvis - arkansasvalley.nettpurvis Salida, CO

  12. Quoted message said:

    Raptor wrote:

    From what I've read about mountain lions, they are relatively
    non-discriminatory predators. Humans will do 'em in a pinch.

    Don't act like food if you see one, because you are soft and taste good with ketchup.

    If I ever see one and have pepper spray with me, I'd be just as likely to spray *myself* as to try
    to spray the cat. That [censored] can't possibly taste good, can it?

    Bro, it's "pepper spray".... that's like adding a little Louisiana Hot Sauce to the meal for the
    little kitty.

    You couldn't act more like food than slapping some hot sauce on!!!
    --
    Slacker

  13. Raptor said:
    Slacker said:
    Quoted message said:

    me wonder if there wasn't something wrong with the cat. Its not like the victim was wearing Eau
    de Sirloin or was impersonating a bunny rabbit. That was either one really hungry or really
    demented animal.

    Funny you say that. An avid hunter/friend at work said the same thing.

    Quoted message said:

    My prayers go out to the poor woman. Good to hear she's stable, but she's probably gonna have a
    tough road ahead while they put her face back together.

    Well said.

    From what I've read about mountain lions, they are relatively
    non-discriminatory predators. Humans will do 'em in a pinch.

    While cougars may be catholic in their diet, they are cervid (e.g., deer and elk) specialist. That
    is a while they kill and eat many different kinds of animals, a disproportionate amount of calories
    come from deer and elk. Given the relatively regularity that humans and cougars interact (many of us
    spend quite a bit of time in their home), from an ecological (and statistical) perspective that
    avoid us as prey; that is certainly not the case with deer which they seek out.

    Rick

    Quoted message said:

    Don't act like food if you see one, because you are soft and taste good with ketchup.

    If I ever see one and have pepper spray with me, I'd be just as likely to spray *myself* as to try
    to spray the cat. That [censored] can't possibly taste good, can it?

  14. Rick Hopkins said:
    Raptor said:
    Slacker said:

    > me wonder if there wasn't something wrong with the cat. Its not like the victim was wearing Eau
    > de Sirloin or was impersonating a bunny rabbit. That was either one really hungry or really
    > demented animal.

    Funny you say that. An avid hunter/friend at work said the same thing.

    > My prayers go out to the poor woman. Good to hear she's stable, but she's probably gonna have a
    > tough road ahead while they put her face back together.

    Well said.

    From what I've read about mountain lions, they are relatively
    non-discriminatory predators. Humans will do 'em in a pinch.

    While cougars may be catholic in their diet, they are cervid (e.g., deer and elk) specialist. That
    is a while they kill and eat many different kinds of animals, a disproportionate amount of
    calories come from deer and elk. Given the relatively regularity that humans and cougars interact
    (many of us spend quite a bit of time in their home), from an ecological (and statistical)
    perspective that avoid us as prey; that is certainly not the case with deer which they seek out.

    Rick

    Quoted message said:

    Don't act like food if you see one, because you are soft and taste good with ketchup.

    If I ever see one and have pepper spray with me, I'd be just as likely to spray *myself* as to
    try to spray the cat. That [censored] can't possibly taste good, can it?


    The fact that this is only the 41st documented fatality from a Mountain Lion attack in the US in 150
    years, I'd say that human attacks by these animals is EXTREMELY rare. It is fairly accurate to say
    that they avoid us like the plague.

    Miles

  15. On 2004-01-10, Tom Purvis penned:

    Quoted message said:

    That's what makes this case so bizarre. Not only did the cat kill and feed on one human, it went
    back later and tried to use the same strategy on Ms. Hjelle. -- Tom Purvis -

    It didn't just go back to hunt a human. It went back after having already fed the *same day*. I
    don't know how much mountain lions eat, but it seems strange that the cat went back to hunt when it
    still had an only partly-eaten body available.

    --
    monique

  16. Monique Y. Herman said:

    On 2004-01-10, Tom Purvis penned:

    Quoted message said:

    That's what makes this case so bizarre. Not only did the cat kill and feed on one human, it went
    back later and tried to use the same strategy on Ms. Hjelle. -- Tom Purvis -

    It didn't just go back to hunt a human. It went back after having already fed the *same day*. I
    don't know how much mountain lions eat, but it seems strange that the cat went back to hunt when
    it still had an only partly-eaten body available.

    There is one possible explanation. The cat opened up that guy's chest and ate some organ(s). Most
    likely the heart. Maybe he doesn't care much for the rest of the "meat."

    He would have to eat a lot of human hearts in order to get full.
    --
    Slacker

  17. In "]news:[email hidden],
    Slacker <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Raptor wrote:

    From what I've read about mountain lions, they are relatively
    non-discriminatory predators. Humans will do 'em in a pinch.

    Don't act like food if you see one, because you are soft and taste good with ketchup.

    If I ever see one and have pepper spray with me, I'd be just as likely to spray *myself* as to
    try to spray the cat. That [censored] can't possibly taste good, can it?

    Bro, it's "pepper spray".... that's like adding a little Louisiana Hot Sauce to the meal for the
    little kitty.

    You couldn't act more like food than slapping some hot sauce on!!!

    He'd really be in trouble if Shaun aRe is around!! ;^)

    Mike

  18. I live in South Orange County and ride in the area mentioned in the attack. I am not afraid to ride
    and I normally ride alone sometimes at night....as of late it is hard not to think of the attack
    while I ride. Of the things I have heard to protect oneself nothing talks about what you do when you
    have a cat one our back, arms pinned up the cats legs, head in his mouth, while he tears at the neck
    with his paws. It appears that the only defense is before an attack.

    "Monique Y. Herman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On 2004-01-10, Tom Purvis penned:

    Quoted message said:

    That's what makes this case so bizarre. Not only did the cat kill and feed on one human, it went
    back later and tried to use the same strategy on Ms. Hjelle. -- Tom Purvis -

    It didn't just go back to hunt a human. It went back after having already fed the *same day*. I
    don't know how much mountain lions eat, but it seems strange that the cat went back to hunt when
    it still had an only partly-eaten body available.

    --
    monique

  19. "Monique Y. Herman" wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    On 2004-01-10, Tom Purvis penned:

    Quoted message said:

    That's what makes this case so bizarre. Not only did the cat kill and feed on one human, it went
    back later and tried to use the same strategy on Ms. Hjelle. -- Tom Purvis -

    It didn't just go back to hunt a human. It went back after having already fed the *same day*. I
    don't know how much mountain lions eat, but it seems strange that the cat went back to hunt when
    it still had an only partly-eaten body available.

    --
    monique

    Makes me glad all the poisonous snakes & spiders killed off the large carnivores here (Oz) many many
    years ago..

    Rob (Hang on now that I think about it I'm gonna move to NZ 😉 )

  20. Dean A. Stepper said:

    I live in South Orange County and ride in the area mentioned in the attack. I am not afraid to
    ride and I normally ride alone sometimes at night....as of late it is hard not to think of the
    attack while I ride. Of the things I have heard to protect oneself nothing talks about what you do
    when you have a cat one our back, arms pinned up the cats legs, head in his mouth, while he tears
    at the neck with his paws. It appears that the only defense is before an attack.

    Maybe Camelbak will start selling a Porcupinebak? Full body armour will take on a new meaning 😉

    --
    Perre

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