Lights always-on for bikes?

druidh said:

Given the forthcoming legislation which will enforce lights at all times
for cars,

Give us a credible link to this then.
Alan.

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Given the forthcoming legislation which will enforce lights at all times
for cars,

Not strictly true. The brief article talks about legislation that requires
all *new* cars sold from *2015* to have the headlights permanently on. What
is it that creates paranoia in some cyclists? :-)

druidh came up with the following;:

Quoted message said:

Given the forthcoming legislation which will enforce lights at all times
for cars, is it not likely that (for the same reasons of "improved
visibility"😉, bikes will be similarly affected?

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/62909/laws_bring_24h_lighting_up_time.html

"British motorists will be driving with their headlamps on day and night
within 10 years after a new Europe-wide agreement ..... the big switch-on to
the Continent by 2015.

So unlikely to happen until about 2025 then?

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Big shot in the arm for the battery manufacturers?

Unlikely it'll have any effect at all, especially as the bicycle light
business is not one that's actually targetted by battery manufacturers, the
numbers are way too small, especially as bicycle light manufacturers mostly
use standard sized cells.

I call troll.

Paranoid troll. 😉

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druidh said:

Given the forthcoming legislation which will enforce lights at all times
for cars, is it not likely that (for the same reasons of "improved
visibility"😉, bikes will be similarly affected?
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/62909/laws_bring_24h_lighting_up_time.html
Big shot in the arm for the battery manufacturers?

Since that law is extremely unlikely ever to apply in the UK

Quoted message said:

Big shot in the arm for the battery manufacturers?

Alternatively I have a spare Shimano Nexus Hub Dynamo mounted in a 28" wheel
if anybody wants to make me an offer to save on batteries.

druidh said:

Given the forthcoming legislation which will enforce lights at all times
for cars, is it not likely that (for the same reasons of "improved
visibility"😉, bikes will be similarly affected?

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/62909/laws_bring_24h_lighting_up_time.html

Unlikely, though a good flasher can be helpful with some twunts...

As for "The plan is intended to cut European road accidents by making
cars more visible" it doesn't help, sometimes it makes matters worse.

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As for "The plan is intended to cut European road accidents by making
cars more visible" it doesn't help, sometimes it makes matters worse.

Having my headlight on didn't appear to make my motor cycle more visible to
the two smidsy drivers that brought me off . I suspect it's a ruse by
headlight manufacturers to raise their revenue genberating powers with their
latest headlight units costing ca. £400 each. Can't see (sic) what the
problem is with halogen bulbs meself.

vernon said:

Having my headlight on didn't appear to make my motor cycle more visible to
the two smidsy drivers that brought me off . I suspect it's a ruse by
headlight manufacturers to raise their revenue genberating powers with their
latest headlight units costing ca. £400 each. Can't see (sic) what the
problem is with halogen bulbs meself.

Were you "coming out of the sun"? Classic situation without headlight
your outline is much clearer, with headlight 'filling' the dark hole in
the light you become invisible...
As far as these new HiD lights go they produce many more and higher
temperature lumens, great if correctly set-up as cyclists show up much
better, poorly set-up they blind other road users, though they're
supposed to be fitted to self adjusting units that correct for loading
etc, not to older vehicles with fixed lights. That said with the demise
of 'roads policing' in favour of remote management devices the number of
vehicles with defective (out/mis-aimed etc) lights is noticeably worse
these days.

Niel.

badger said:

That said with the demise
of 'roads policing' in favour of remote management devices the number of
vehicles with defective (out/mis-aimed etc) lights is noticeably worse
these days.

The two do not correlate, the reduction in traffic police is due to the
downgrading of traffic policing in the performance measures. If you
want to campaign for road safety to be made a Core Duty for forces, you
will find very little opposition round here I think :-)

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Given the forthcoming legislation which will enforce lights at all times
for cars, is it not likely that (for the same reasons of "improved
visibility"😉, bikes will be similarly affected?

I was under the impression that the government were trying to reduce
polution.

And the current trend for drivers to use full on headlights all the time
will result in more accidents as more drivers will be blinded.

If cars are to have lights on at silly times, ie when it is daylight, then
that will result in a lot more fuel being used and thus increased polution.

A bloody stupid idea.

Alan

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druidh said:

Given the forthcoming legislation which will enforce lights at all times
for cars, is it not likely that (for the same reasons of "improved
visibility"😉, bikes will be similarly affected?
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/62909/laws_bring_24h_lighting_up_time.html
Big shot in the arm for the battery manufacturers?

Since that law is extremely unlikely ever to apply in the UK

Let us hope not.

Alan

On 10/01/2006 17:56, Alan Holmes said,

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A bloody stupid idea.

Which means it will get into law :-)

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Quoted message said:

Given the forthcoming legislation which will enforce lights at all
times for cars, is it not likely that (for the same reasons of
"improved visibility"😉, bikes will be similarly affected?

I was under the impression that the government were trying to reduce
polution.

And the current trend for drivers to use full on headlights all the
time will result in more accidents as more drivers will be blinded.

Oh help. I agree with Alan Holmes on something. I must be lapsing into
senility.

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;; in traffic on their way to the gym to ride the stationary bicycle.
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Alan Holmes said:

If cars are to have lights on at silly times, ie when it is daylight, then
that will result in a lot more fuel being used and thus increased polution.

A bloody stupid idea.

Unless you want more tax income....

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in message <[email hidden]>, Alan Holmes

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"druidh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Given the forthcoming legislation which will enforce lights at all
times for cars, is it not likely that (for the same reasons of
"improved visibility"😉, bikes will be similarly affected?

I was under the impression that the government were trying to reduce
polution.

And the current trend for drivers to use full on headlights all the
time will result in more accidents as more drivers will be blinded.

Oh help. I agree with Alan Holmes on something. I must be lapsing into
senility.

Good, I was begining to feel lonely!(:-)

Alan

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Alan Holmes said:

If cars are to have lights on at silly times, ie when it is daylight,
then that will result in a lot more fuel being used and thus increased
polution.

A bloody stupid idea.

Unless you want more tax income....

That makes it even more stupid!

Alan