Lights

you know? said:

I asked Chris Juden about lights and got the embarrassing reply that,
essentially, I should read the FAQ! SO I did, and he is right, if you
read it carefully it does answer most of our recent questions.

http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3522

Are (steady) LED tail lights legal? Yes, if they meet an EU standard
which meets or exceeds BS6102/3 1986 - which, given that Britain is an
EU country, implicitly includes later versions of BS6102 which allow
non-incandescent light sources.

No. It does not implicitly automatically include subsequent BSs,
since that gives the power to frame legislation to BS draughting
committees. The argument that says subsequent BSs are an equivalent
standard from an EU country is bollocks (IMO) because it isn't an
EQUIVALENT standard in any useful sense - a key test of equivalence
would surely be specified in law, and later BS6102 is not specified
in law in any EU country.

Quoted message said:

The German standard is higher than
the BS so any German K-marked lamp should also be OK.

This is a much more sensible claim.

regards, Ian SMith
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Ian Smith said:

Quoted message said:

I asked Chris Juden about lights [...]
http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3522

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are (steady) LED tail lights legal? Yes, if they meet an EU standard
which meets or exceeds BS6102/3 1986 - which, given that Britain is an
EU country, implicitly includes later versions of BS6102 which allow
non-incandescent light sources.

Quoted message said:

No. It does not implicitly automatically include subsequent BSs,
since that gives the power to frame legislation to BS draughting
committees.

Take that up with Chris. Since the lights in question meet the DIN
standard as well the point is probably moot anyway.

Guy
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Ian Smith said:

It does not implicitly automatically include subsequent BSs,
since that gives the power to frame legislation to BS draughting
committees. The argument that says subsequent BSs are an equivalent
standard from an EU country is bollocks (IMO) because it isn't an
EQUIVALENT standard in any useful sense - a key test of equivalence
would surely be specified in law, and later BS6102 is not specified
in law in any EU country.

Rather than needing a table of equivalent standards, shouldn't one
rely on the single european act, which says that any item that meets
one country's set of standards should not be refused in another
country without good reason?

Just zis Guy said:

Ian Smith said:

Quoted message said:

I asked Chris Juden about lights [...]
http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3522

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are (steady) LED tail lights legal? Yes, if they meet an EU standard
which meets or exceeds BS6102/3 1986 - which, given that Britain is an
EU country, implicitly includes later versions of BS6102 which allow
non-incandescent light sources.

Quoted message said:

No. It does not implicitly automatically include subsequent BSs,
since that gives the power to frame legislation to BS draughting
committees.

Take that up with Chris. Since the lights in question meet the DIN
standard as well the point is probably moot anyway.

Guy

I think Chris J knows what he 's writing about fairly well; especially
as he is on the BS committee for cycle lighting (IIRC)