Lift Up The Rock....

B. Lafferty said:

and see what's underneath. A privacy right for possible
illegal contuct? Now that's a novel theory of privacy
rights. What criminal wouldn't love to be able to utilize
such a right? From CyclingNews:

Kelme doctors testify in secret Kelme team doctors
Eufemiano Fuentes and Walter Virú have given evidence to
the Spanish cycling federation (RFEC) commission
investigating the doping allegations made over the last
few months by former Kelme rider Jesus Manzano. However,
Fuentes and Virú requested that the commission respect
their right of privacy and allow them to give evidence in
a closed session at a secret location.

From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House.
Bush and Cheney will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint
interview will not be taped, and no transcript will be
produced. A Bush aide and a commission staffer will take
notes. Gonzales, another official from the counsel's office
and perhaps other Bush aides will be present."

How about that Kobe Bryant trial, eh? Let's drag out the
victim's past and show her to be a promicuous woman,
which according to the Writ of Common Wisdom makes Kobe
the real victim.

Two legal systems, but bearing some similarities. The
problem in both countries is all it takes is one greedy
person to leak details to the press for $$$ and reputations
can be unjustly ruined.

B. Lafferty said:

and see what's underneath. A privacy right for possible
illegal contuct? Now that's a novel theory of privacy
rights. What criminal wouldn't love to be able to utilize
such a right? From CyclingNews:

Kelme doctors testify in secret Kelme team doctors
Eufemiano Fuentes and Walter Virú have given evidence to
the Spanish cycling federation (RFEC) commission
investigating the doping allegations made over the last
few months by former Kelme rider Jesus Manzano. However,
Fuentes and Virú requested that the commission respect
their right of privacy and allow them to give evidence in
a closed session at a secret location. Neither made any
comment to the press before or after being questioned by
the commission, which is headed by lawyer Enrique Franch.

So far, the RFEC investigation has heard from Manzano
himself, plus former riders Darío Gadeo, Díaz Cub, and
Nacho Gutiérrez, Kelme director Vicente Belda and team
doctor Alfredo Córdova. The commission is still waiting to
hear from Julián Usano who is due to give evidence today.

Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty said:

and see what's underneath. A privacy right for possible
illegal contuct? Now that's a novel theory of privacy
rights. What criminal wouldn't love to be able to utilize
such a right? From CyclingNews:

Kelme doctors testify in secret Kelme team doctors
Eufemiano Fuentes and Walter Virú have given evidence to
the Spanish cycling federation (RFEC) commission
investigating the doping allegations made over the last
few months by former Kelme rider Jesus Manzano. However,
Fuentes and Virú requested that the commission respect
their right of privacy and allow them to give evidence in
a closed session at a secret location.

From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House.
Bush and Cheney will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint
interview will not be taped, and no transcript will be
produced. A Bush aide and a commission staffer will take
notes. Gonzales, another official from the counsel's
office and perhaps other Bush aides will be present."

Weasels.

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty said:

and see what's underneath. A privacy right for possible
illegal contuct? Now that's a novel theory of privacy
rights. What criminal wouldn't love to be able to
utilize such a right? From CyclingNews:

Kelme doctors testify in secret Kelme team doctors
Eufemiano Fuentes and Walter Virú have given evidence to
the Spanish cycling federation (RFEC) commission
investigating the doping allegations made over the last
few months by former Kelme rider Jesus Manzano. However,
Fuentes and Virú requested that the commission respect
their right of privacy and allow them to give evidence
in a closed session at a secret location.

From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House.
Bush and Cheney will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint
interview will not be taped, and no transcript will be
produced. A Bush aide and a commission staffer will take
notes. Gonzales, another official from the counsel's
office and perhaps other Bush aides will be present."

Weasels.

Short-sighted multi-headed fossorial tuber-fressers.

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:51:41 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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A privacy right for possible illegal contuct? Now that's a
novel theory of privacy rights.

If the right to privacy already exists and the conduct is
still only alledged to be illegal, then, yes, the privacy
will continue to run. Nothing novel about that. Two
different issues and if they conflict and that commission
has any authority or standing, a judge or similar will
resolve it.

Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
two wheels...

"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:c6o6jv$dq1q4$1@ID-
226327.news.uni-berlin.de:

Quoted message said:

From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House.
Bush and Cheney will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint
interview will not be taped, and no transcript will be
produced. A Bush aide and a commission staffer will take
notes. Gonzales, another official from the counsel's
office and perhaps other Bush aides will be present."

Impressive how they're doing double duty -- got that while
they also have some court proceedings to keep secret the
meetings Cheney had with Ken Lay and other oil execs to
develop energy policy.

NS

Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty said:

Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What criminal
wouldn't love to be able to utilize such a right? From
CyclingNews:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House.
Bush and Cheney will not be under oath.

So, Robert, can you answer Brian's question?

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Quoted message said:

"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:c6o6jv$dq1q4$1@ID-
226327.news.uni-berlin.de:

Quoted message said:

From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House.
Bush and Cheney will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint
interview will not be taped, and no transcript will be
produced. A Bush aide and a commission staffer will take
notes. Gonzales, another official from the counsel's
office and perhaps other Bush aides will be present."

Impressive how they're doing double duty -- got that while
they also have some court proceedings to keep secret the
meetings Cheney had with Ken Lay and other oil execs to
develop energy policy.

NS

"So we manipulate the power market in California, until the
state surplus is gone..."

"Right, and George will cut back on programs while cutting
your income taxes, like you pay any, nudge nudge, buddy."

"Ok, so what do you get out of it?"

"Oh, that's the beautiful part, we discredit Gray Davis and
have him recalled and have Bill Simon elected governor."

"Brilliant! What could possibly go wrong?"

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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How about that Kobe Bryant trial, eh? Let's drag out the
victim's past and show her to be a promicuous woman,
which according to the Writ of Common Wisdom makes Kobe
the real victim.

No, let's not give Kobe his day in court. You can pass
judgement on him with all of your knowledge of the "crime".

"Curtis L. Russell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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B. Lafferty said:

A privacy right for possible illegal contuct? Now that's
a novel theory of privacy rights.

If the right to privacy already exists and the conduct is
still only alledged to be illegal, then, yes, the privacy
will continue to run. Nothing novel about that. Two
different issues and if they conflict and that commission
has any authority or standing, a judge or similar will
resolve it.

Lafferty is under the impression that the President should
break all traditions and executive privilege so that the
Liberals can expose all of the intelligent secrets that
Clinton didn't publish in the New York Times.

The interesting thing is that the four of you haven't a clue
what the hell you're talking about.

"Kirby Krieger" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty wrote:

>and see what's underneath. A privacy right for
>possible illegal

contuct?

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Quoted message said:

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>Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What
>criminal wouldn't love to be able to utilize such a
>right? From CyclingNews:
>
>Kelme doctors testify in secret Kelme team doctors
>Eufemiano Fuentes and Walter Virú have given evidence
>to the Spanish cycling federation (RFEC) commission
>investigating the doping allegations made over the
>last few months by former Kelme rider Jesus Manzano.
>However, Fuentes and Virú requested that the
>commission respect their right of privacy and allow
>them to give evidence in a closed session at a secret
>location.

From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White
House. Bush and

Cheney

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will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint
interview will not

be

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taped, and no transcript will be produced. A Bush aide
and a

commission

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staffer will take notes. Gonzales, another official
from the counsel's office and perhaps other Bush aides
will be present."

Weasels.

Short-sighted multi-headed fossorial tuber-fressers.

Still more interesting that somehow the power markets were
"manipulated" on laws that had been instituted by Liberals
and opposed by Conservatives. But then it is Big Business
who is to blame that the ultra-Liberal California
Legislature spent the entire surplus in a frenzy of spend-before-the-voters-get-
wise. And forgive me if I'm wrong here - but didn't all this
power company hokee-pokee happen under 'Red' Davis, the
people's communist dictator with all of the same public
honesty as Fidel Castro?

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"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:c6o6jv$dq1q4$1@ID-
226327.news.uni-berlin.de:

Quoted message said:

From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White
House. Bush and

Cheney

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Quoted message said:

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will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint
interview will not

be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

taped, and no transcript will be produced. A Bush aide
and a

commission

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staffer will take notes. Gonzales, another official
from the counsel's office and perhaps other Bush aides
will be present."

Impressive how they're doing double duty -- got that
while they also

have

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Quoted message said:

some court proceedings to keep secret the meetings
Cheney had with Ken

Lay

Quoted message said:

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and other oil execs to develop energy policy.

NS

"So we manipulate the power market in California, until
the state surplus is gone..."

"Right, and George will cut back on programs while cutting
your income taxes, like you pay any, nudge nudge, buddy."

"Ok, so what do you get out of it?"

"Oh, that's the beautiful part, we discredit Gray Davis
and have him recalled and have Bill Simon elected
governor."

"Brilliant! What could possibly go wrong?"

Stewart Fleming said:

Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty said:

Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What
criminal wouldn't love to be able to utilize such a
right? From CyclingNews:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House.
Bush and Cheney will not be under oath.

So, Robert, can you answer Brian's question?

stf can write these things because he doesn't live in the
land of the free
(seattlepi.nwsource.com170992 prosser28.htmlOpen ↗)

heather

Stewart Fleming said:

Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty said:

Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What
criminal wouldn't love to be able to utilize such a
right? From CyclingNews:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House.
Bush and Cheney will not be under oath.

So, Robert, can you answer Brian's question?

Hmmm. Are you suggesting that this behavior is consistent
with "specificity, specificity, specificity?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich said:

Still more interesting that somehow the power markets were
"manipulated" on laws that had been instituted by Liberals
and opposed by Conservatives. But then it is Big Business
who is to blame that the ultra-Liberal California
Legislature spent the entire surplus in a frenzy of spend-before-the-voters-get-
wise. And forgive me if I'm wrong here - but didn't all
this power company hokee-pokee happen under 'Red' Davis,
the people's communist dictator with all of the same
public honesty as Fidel Castro?

-----------------------
In the first criminal action against a company accused of
market rigging during the California power crisis of 2000-
2001, Reliant Resources and four former executives were
indicted yesterday on charges of shutting down power
plants to drive up prices.

A federal grand jury in San Francisco charged the company
and former officials with conspiracy to commit wire fraud
and manipulate energy prices, U.S. Attorney General John
Ashcroft said yesterday in Washington,
D.C.

"A thriving free market depends on a marketplace of
integrity, a marketplace that is transparent,"
Ashcroft said. "When the market is manipulated, trust
is abused and the corrupt profit at the expense of the
law-abiding."

signonsandiego.com20040409 9999Open ↗
1n9energy.html
-----------------------

--
tanx, Howard

E: Can we call it a quagmire yet?

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

h squared said:

stf can write these things because he doesn't live in the
land of the free (seattlepi.nwsource.com170Open ↗
992_prosser28.html)

Perhaps counterintuitively, I sorta think this kind of story
is a good sign--not that the kid was investigated, which
could either be a good or bad thing, but that the story was
considered worthy of making it to the paper. I find this
kind of story more worrisome:

Patriot Act suppresses news of challenge to Patriot Act (washingtonpost.comA51423Open ↗
2004Apr28.html)

"It is remarkable that a gag provision in the Patriot Act
kept the public in the dark about the mere fact that a
constitutional challenge had been filed..."

Robert Chung said:

Stewart Fleming said:

Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty wrote:

>Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What
>criminal wouldn't love to be able to utilize such a
>right? From CyclingNews:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House.
Bush and Cheney will not be under oath.

So, Robert, can you answer Brian's question?

Hmmm. Are you suggesting that this behavior is consistent
with "specificity, specificity, specificity?"

Specifics hard to come by, judging by the content of WH
press conferences these days...More like resistance
training.

Howard Kveck said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich said:

Still more interesting that somehow the power markets were
"manipulated" on laws that had been instituted by Liberals
and opposed by Conservatives. But then it is Big Business
who is to blame that the ultra-Liberal California
Legislature spent the entire surplus in a frenzy of spend-before-the-voters-get-
wise. And forgive me if I'm wrong here - but didn't all
this power company hokee-pokee happen under 'Red' Davis,
the people's communist dictator with all of the same
public honesty as Fidel Castro?

-----------------------
In the first criminal action against a company accused
of market rigging during the California power crisis of
2000-2001, Reliant Resources and four former executives
were indicted yesterday on charges of shutting down
power plants to drive up prices.

A federal grand jury in San Francisco charged the
company and former officials with conspiracy to commit
wire fraud and manipulate energy prices, U.S. Attorney
General John Ashcroft said yesterday in Washington,
D.C.

"A thriving free market depends on a marketplace of
integrity, a marketplace that is transparent," Ashcroft
said. "When the market is manipulated, trust is abused
and the corrupt profit at the expense of the law-
abiding."

signonsandiego.com20040409 9999Open ↗
1n9energy.html
-----------------------

Yeah, _now_ they do something. Couldn't get them to budge
when it was happening. Oh, right, it's an election year.

Interesting - you rely on charges and not convictions. Is
this some sort of omen of your leanings?

"Howard Kveck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich said:

Still more interesting that somehow the power markets
were "manipulated"

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

laws that had been instituted by Liberals and opposed by
Conservatives.

But

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

then it is Big Business who is to blame that the ultra-
Liberal

California

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Legislature spent the entire surplus in a frenzy of spend-before-the-voters-get-
wise. And forgive me if I'm wrong here - but didn't all
this power company hokee-pokee happen under 'Red' Davis,
the people's communist dictator with all of the same
public honesty as Fidel Castro?

-----------------------
In the first criminal action against a company accused
of market

rigging

Quoted message said:

during the California power crisis of 2000-2001, Reliant
Resources and

four

Quoted message said:

former executives were indicted yesterday on charges of
shutting down

power

Quoted message said:

plants to drive up prices.

A federal grand jury in San Francisco charged the
company and former officials with conspiracy to commit
wire fraud and manipulate energy prices, U.S. Attorney
General John Ashcroft said yesterday in Washington,
D.C.

"A thriving free market depends on a marketplace of
integrity, a marketplace that is transparent," Ashcroft
said. "When the market is manipulated, trust is abused
and the corrupt profit at the expense of the law-
abiding."

signonsandiego.com20040409 9999Open ↗
1n9energy.html
-----------------------

--
tanx, Howard

Q: Can we call it a quagmire yet?

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?