Lift Up The Rock....

B. Lafferty said:

and see what's underneath. A privacy right for possible illegal contuct?
Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What criminal wouldn't
love to be able to utilize such a right? From CyclingNews:

Kelme doctors testify in secret
Kelme team doctors Eufemiano Fuentes and Walter Virú have given
evidence to the Spanish cycling federation (RFEC) commission
investigating the doping allegations made over the last few months by
former Kelme rider Jesus Manzano. However, Fuentes and Virú requested
that the commission respect their right of privacy and allow them to
give evidence in a closed session at a secret location.

From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House. Bush and Cheney
will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint interview will not be
taped, and no transcript will be produced. A Bush aide and a commission
staffer will take notes. Gonzales, another official from the counsel's
office and perhaps other Bush aides will be present."

How about that Kobe Bryant trial, eh? Let's drag out the victim's past
and show her to be a promicuous woman, which according to the Writ of
Common Wisdom makes Kobe the real victim.

Two legal systems, but bearing some similarities. The problem in both
countries is all it takes is one greedy person to leak details to the
press for $$$ and reputations can be unjustly ruined.

B. Lafferty said:

and see what's underneath. A privacy right for possible illegal contuct?
Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What criminal wouldn't love to
be able to utilize such a right? From CyclingNews:

Kelme doctors testify in secret
Kelme team doctors Eufemiano Fuentes and Walter Virú have given evidence to
the Spanish cycling federation (RFEC) commission investigating the doping
allegations made over the last few months by former Kelme rider Jesus
Manzano. However, Fuentes and Virú requested that the commission respect
their right of privacy and allow them to give evidence in a closed session
at a secret location. Neither made any comment to the press before or after
being questioned by the commission, which is headed by lawyer Enrique
Franch.

So far, the RFEC investigation has heard from Manzano himself, plus former
riders Darío Gadeo, Díaz Cub, and Nacho Gutiérrez, Kelme director Vicente
Belda and team doctor Alfredo Córdova. The commission is still waiting to
hear from Julián Usano who is due to give evidence today.

Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty said:

and see what's underneath. A privacy right for possible illegal contuct?
Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What criminal wouldn't
love to be able to utilize such a right? From CyclingNews:

Kelme doctors testify in secret
Kelme team doctors Eufemiano Fuentes and Walter Virú have given
evidence to the Spanish cycling federation (RFEC) commission
investigating the doping allegations made over the last few months by
former Kelme rider Jesus Manzano. However, Fuentes and Virú requested
that the commission respect their right of privacy and allow them to
give evidence in a closed session at a secret location.

From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House. Bush and Cheney
will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint interview will not be
taped, and no transcript will be produced. A Bush aide and a commission
staffer will take notes. Gonzales, another official from the counsel's
office and perhaps other Bush aides will be present."

Weasels.

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty said:

and see what's underneath. A privacy right for possible illegal contuct?
Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What criminal wouldn't
love to be able to utilize such a right? From CyclingNews:

Kelme doctors testify in secret
Kelme team doctors Eufemiano Fuentes and Walter Virú have given
evidence to the Spanish cycling federation (RFEC) commission
investigating the doping allegations made over the last few months by
former Kelme rider Jesus Manzano. However, Fuentes and Virú requested
that the commission respect their right of privacy and allow them to
give evidence in a closed session at a secret location.

From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House. Bush and Cheney
will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint interview will not be
taped, and no transcript will be produced. A Bush aide and a commission
staffer will take notes. Gonzales, another official from the counsel's
office and perhaps other Bush aides will be present."

Weasels.

Short-sighted multi-headed fossorial tuber-fressers.

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:51:41 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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A privacy right for possible illegal contuct?
Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights.

If the right to privacy already exists and the conduct is still only
alledged to be illegal, then, yes, the privacy will continue to run.
Nothing novel about that. Two different issues and if they conflict
and that commission has any authority or standing, a judge or similar
will resolve it.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:c6o6jv$dq1q4$1@ID-
226327.news.uni-berlin.de:

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From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House. Bush and Cheney
will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint interview will not be
taped, and no transcript will be produced. A Bush aide and a commission
staffer will take notes. Gonzales, another official from the counsel's
office and perhaps other Bush aides will be present."

Impressive how they're doing double duty -- got that while they also have
some court proceedings to keep secret the meetings Cheney had with Ken Lay
and other oil execs to develop energy policy.

NS

Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty said:

Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What criminal wouldn't
love to be able to utilize such a right? From CyclingNews:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House. Bush and Cheney
will not be under oath.

So, Robert, can you answer Brian's question?

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"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:c6o6jv$dq1q4$1@ID-
226327.news.uni-berlin.de:

Quoted message said:

From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House. Bush and Cheney
will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint interview will not be
taped, and no transcript will be produced. A Bush aide and a commission
staffer will take notes. Gonzales, another official from the counsel's
office and perhaps other Bush aides will be present."

Impressive how they're doing double duty -- got that while they also have
some court proceedings to keep secret the meetings Cheney had with Ken Lay
and other oil execs to develop energy policy.

NS

"So we manipulate the power market in California, until the state
surplus is gone..."

"Right, and George will cut back on programs while cutting your income
taxes, like you pay any, nudge nudge, buddy."

"Ok, so what do you get out of it?"

"Oh, that's the beautiful part, we discredit Gray Davis and have him
recalled and have Bill Simon elected governor."

"Brilliant! What could possibly go wrong?"

The interesting thing is that the four of you haven't a clue what the hell
you're talking about.

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Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty wrote:

>and see what's underneath. A privacy right for possible illegal

contuct?

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>Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What criminal wouldn't
>love to be able to utilize such a right? From CyclingNews:
>
>Kelme doctors testify in secret
>Kelme team doctors Eufemiano Fuentes and Walter Virú have given
>evidence to the Spanish cycling federation (RFEC) commission
>investigating the doping allegations made over the last few months by
>former Kelme rider Jesus Manzano. However, Fuentes and Virú requested
>that the commission respect their right of privacy and allow them to
>give evidence in a closed session at a secret location.

From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House. Bush and

Cheney

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will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint interview will not

be

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taped, and no transcript will be produced. A Bush aide and a

commission

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staffer will take notes. Gonzales, another official from the counsel's
office and perhaps other Bush aides will be present."

Weasels.

Short-sighted multi-headed fossorial tuber-fressers.

Still more interesting that somehow the power markets were "manipulated" on
laws that had been instituted by Liberals and opposed by Conservatives. But
then it is Big Business who is to blame that the ultra-Liberal California
Legislature spent the entire surplus in a frenzy of
spend-before-the-voters-get-wise. And forgive me if I'm wrong here - but
didn't all this power company hokee-pokee happen under 'Red' Davis, the
people's communist dictator with all of the same public honesty as Fidel
Castro?

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"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:c6o6jv$dq1q4$1@ID-
226327.news.uni-berlin.de:

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From USA Today:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House. Bush and

Cheney

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will not be under oath.

"At the request of White House officials, the joint interview will not

be

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taped, and no transcript will be produced. A Bush aide and a

commission

Quoted message said:

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staffer will take notes. Gonzales, another official from the counsel's
office and perhaps other Bush aides will be present."

Impressive how they're doing double duty -- got that while they also

have

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some court proceedings to keep secret the meetings Cheney had with Ken

Lay

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and other oil execs to develop energy policy.

NS

"So we manipulate the power market in California, until the state
surplus is gone..."

"Right, and George will cut back on programs while cutting your income
taxes, like you pay any, nudge nudge, buddy."

"Ok, so what do you get out of it?"

"Oh, that's the beautiful part, we discredit Gray Davis and have him
recalled and have Bill Simon elected governor."

"Brilliant! What could possibly go wrong?"

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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How about that Kobe Bryant trial, eh? Let's drag out the victim's past
and show her to be a promicuous woman, which according to the Writ of
Common Wisdom makes Kobe the real victim.

No, let's not give Kobe his day in court. You can pass judgement on him with
all of your knowledge of the "crime".

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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:51:41 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

A privacy right for possible illegal contuct?
Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights.

If the right to privacy already exists and the conduct is still only
alledged to be illegal, then, yes, the privacy will continue to run.
Nothing novel about that. Two different issues and if they conflict
and that commission has any authority or standing, a judge or similar
will resolve it.

Lafferty is under the impression that the President should break all
traditions and executive privilege so that the Liberals can expose all of
the intelligent secrets that Clinton didn't publish in the New York Times.

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From: "Tom Kunich" [email hidden]

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Still more interesting that somehow the power markets were "manipulated" on
laws that had been instituted by Liberals and opposed by Conservatives. But
then it is Big Business who is to blame that the ultra-Liberal California
Legislature spent the entire surplus in a frenzy of
spend-before-the-voters-get-wise. And forgive me if I'm wrong here - but
didn't all this power company hokee-pokee happen under 'Red' Davis, the
people's communist dictator with all of the same public honesty as Fidel
Castro?

Hey Tom don't you know that regulating 1/2 an industry and forcing them to set
prices well below their costs is a good way to generate new jobs? Think of all
the votes that Davis got out of this. Of course all the people who lost jobs,
my wife who lost a huge chunk of value in a retirement fund that her
grandfather set up when she was a baby. Nobody could screw up a utility, right?
He didn't plan for attempted communism in the US. His screw up, Lord knows it
wasn't Davis just ask the California press. It was the ultimate evil "BIG
BUSINESS". I still think the SOB should be held liable for all the damage he
caused with his little price setting scheme.
Bill C

Stewart Fleming said:

Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty said:

Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What criminal wouldn't
love to be able to utilize such a right? From CyclingNews:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House. Bush and Cheney
will not be under oath.

So, Robert, can you answer Brian's question?

stf can write these things because he doesn't live in the land of the free
(http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/170992_prosser28.html)

heather

Stewart Fleming said:

Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty said:

Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What criminal wouldn't
love to be able to utilize such a right? From CyclingNews:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House. Bush and
Cheney will not be under oath.

So, Robert, can you answer Brian's question?

Hmmm. Are you suggesting that this behavior is consistent with
"specificity, specificity, specificity?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich said:

Still more interesting that somehow the power markets were "manipulated" on
laws that had been instituted by Liberals and opposed by Conservatives. But
then it is Big Business who is to blame that the ultra-Liberal California
Legislature spent the entire surplus in a frenzy of
spend-before-the-voters-get-wise. And forgive me if I'm wrong here - but
didn't all this power company hokee-pokee happen under 'Red' Davis, the
people's communist dictator with all of the same public honesty as Fidel
Castro?

-----------------------
In the first criminal action against a company accused of market rigging
during the California power crisis of 2000-2001, Reliant Resources and four
former executives were indicted yesterday on charges of shutting down power
plants to drive up prices.

A federal grand jury in San Francisco charged the company and former
officials with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and manipulate energy
prices, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft said yesterday in Washington,
D.C.

"A thriving free market depends on a marketplace of integrity, a
marketplace that is transparent," Ashcroft said. "When the market is
manipulated, trust is abused and the corrupt profit at the expense of the
law-abiding."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20040409-9999-1n9energy.html
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--
tanx,
Howard

Q: Can we call it a quagmire yet?

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

h squared said:

stf can write these things because he doesn't live in the land of the
free (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/170992_prosser28.html)

Perhaps counterintuitively, I sorta think this kind of story is a good
sign--not that the kid was investigated, which could either be a good or
bad thing, but that the story was considered worthy of making it to the
paper. I find this kind of story more worrisome:

Patriot Act suppresses news of challenge to Patriot Act
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51423-2004Apr28.html)

"It is remarkable that a gag provision in the Patriot Act kept the public
in the dark about the mere fact that a constitutional challenge had been
filed..."

Robert Chung said:

Stewart Fleming said:

Robert Chung said:

B. Lafferty wrote:

>Now that's a novel theory of privacy rights. What criminal wouldn't
>love to be able to utilize such a right? From CyclingNews:

"The session will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the White House. Bush and
Cheney will not be under oath.

So, Robert, can you answer Brian's question?

Hmmm. Are you suggesting that this behavior is consistent with
"specificity, specificity, specificity?"

Specifics hard to come by, judging by the content of WH press
conferences these days...More like resistance training.

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich said:

Still more interesting that somehow the power markets were "manipulated" on
laws that had been instituted by Liberals and opposed by Conservatives. But
then it is Big Business who is to blame that the ultra-Liberal California
Legislature spent the entire surplus in a frenzy of
spend-before-the-voters-get-wise. And forgive me if I'm wrong here - but
didn't all this power company hokee-pokee happen under 'Red' Davis, the
people's communist dictator with all of the same public honesty as Fidel
Castro?

-----------------------
In the first criminal action against a company accused of market rigging
during the California power crisis of 2000-2001, Reliant Resources and four
former executives were indicted yesterday on charges of shutting down power
plants to drive up prices.

A federal grand jury in San Francisco charged the company and former
officials with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and manipulate energy
prices, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft said yesterday in Washington,
D.C.

"A thriving free market depends on a marketplace of integrity, a
marketplace that is transparent," Ashcroft said. "When the market is
manipulated, trust is abused and the corrupt profit at the expense of the
law-abiding."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20040409-9999-1n9energy.html
-----------------------

Yeah, _now_ they do something. Couldn't get them to budge when it was
happening. Oh, right, it's an election year.