Licence demerit plan for cyclists

Euan said:

Licence demerit plan for cyclists

By Paul Heinrichs
July 24, 2005

Bike riders who commit offences such as running a red light will incur
demerit points against their driving licences under a dramatic shift
in road rules proposed by the police.

THis in spite of not needing a driving licence.. that bikes have a right
on the road and do not need a licence to use it.....

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The plan has emerged among the measures aimed at cleaning up serious
safety problems on Beach Road, from Port Melbourne to Frankston,
before the Commonwealth Games.

Havnt heard of any cyclist fatalities.

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But it would also help curb widespread disobedience of road laws by
the growing number of cyclists in Melbourne.

"If you breach a road rule, it doesn't matter if you are a car or a
bike, you've breached the road rule, therefore the penalty is the
same," said Inspector Alan Carlisle, who is driving the proposed law
change.

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The package, which is expected to gain impetus after last week's
cycling tragedy in Germany - which left one Australian bike rider dead
and two seriously injured - is also likely to include:

ANd I so seee the connection there.. Those girls were a menace to all.

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· Improvements to the design, surface and engineering of the road.

· Elimination of the "squeeze points" causing dangerous car-cycle
congestion, such as the narrowing near the corner of Charman and Beach
roads.

Dangerous congestion? What the hell is that. Congestion is just
congestion..

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· A clear left lane for cyclists by the introduction of no-standing
zones from Port Melbourne to Mordialloc from 6am-10am on Saturday and
Sunday.

· A limit on the number of cyclists who may ride together.

Ohhhh . Enforced how.... SOme copper charges me with being rider
number 31.. and I am dragging him into court in a heartbeat. Suing his
ass and the police forces ass of if I can find any grounds..

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· Possible steps to lengthen the cycle of traffic lights on Beach Road
to deter cyclists from running red lights.

This after (So they say) changing the cycles to suit cyclists more.

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Full article at http://tinyurl.com/9q5aa

or

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/licence-demerit-plan-for-cyclists/2005/07/23/1121539191336.html

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>> "dave" == dave <[email hidden]> writes:

dave Euan said:

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Licence demerit plan for cyclists By Paul Heinrichs July 24, 2005
Bike riders who commit offences such as running a red light will
incur demerit points against their driving licences under a
dramatic shift in road rules proposed by the police.

dave> THis in spite of not needing a driving licence.. that bikes
dave> have a right on the road and do not need a licence to use
dave> it.....

So what's your point? In my opinion if you demonstrate an inability or
an unwillingness to obey the law on a bicycle, a vehicle which has far
less potential to kill or maim others, then why should you be allowed
behind the wheel of a car? I'm all for it!

dave> Havnt heard of any cyclist fatalities.

If you Read The Fine Article you'd know that there have been three
deaths in the last three years and 140 cycling related injuries.

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.... The package, which is expected to gain impetus after last
week's cycling tragedy in Germany - which left one Australian
bike rider dead and two seriously injured - is also likely to
include:

dave> ANd I so seee the connection there.. Those girls were a
dave> menace to all.

Agreed. I've written in to The Age expressing my disappointment.
Have you?
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

Euan said:

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>>>"dave" == dave <[email hidden]> writes:

dave Euan said:

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Licence demerit plan for cyclists By Paul Heinrichs July 24, 2005
Bike riders who commit offences such as running a red light will
incur demerit points against their driving licences under a
dramatic shift in road rules proposed by the police.

dave> THis in spite of not needing a driving licence.. that bikes
dave> have a right on the road and do not need a licence to use
dave> it.....

So what's your point? In my opinion if you demonstrate an inability or
an unwillingness to obey the law on a bicycle, a vehicle which has far
less potential to kill or maim others, then why should you be allowed
behind the wheel of a car? I'm all for it!

Not totally against that concept. Might as well penalise ones pilots
licence tho. Personaly I care not if they shoot cyclists running red
lights.. tho they should shoot car drivers who do so with bigger guns 🙂
But I can see it all getting nasty.

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dave> Havnt heard of any cyclist fatalities.

If you Read The Fine Article you'd know that there have been three
deaths in the last three years and 140 cycling related injuries.

OHHHHH.. caused by the cyclist? THe injuries doesnt suprise me but
again take out the bunch crashes and the car caused ones.. and how
many are left?

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.... The package, which is expected to gain impetus after last
week's cycling tragedy in Germany - which left one Australian
bike rider dead and two seriously injured - is also likely to
include:

dave> ANd I so seee the connection there.. Those girls were a
dave> menace to all.

Agreed. I've written in to The Age expressing my disappointment.
Have you?

No but its a good point.. I will find the time to fit it in today? THe
email addy is? (Yeah I know it will be easy to find.. I,m just lazy
this morning OK? )

dave said:

No but its a good point.. I will find the time to fit it in today? THe
email addy is? (Yeah I know it will be easy to find.. I,m just lazy
this morning OK? )

[email hidden]

short and to the (on clear) point is more likely to get printed (ie dont ramble/rant)

F " wanting to ramble/rant " Dutch

dave said:

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· A limit on the number of cyclists who may ride together.

Ohhhh . Enforced how.... SOme copper charges me with being rider
number 31.. and I am dragging him into court in a heartbeat. Suing his
ass and the police forces ass of if I can find any grounds..

You obviously weren't in Queensland in the 1980s, when any public
gathering of more than three people required a permit. I'm sure the old
street march laws could be dusted off to find a way to prohibit such
antisocial behaviour. Just arrest the lot of you and let the courts
decide (this of course works best if you have a compliant police force
and magistracy in place first).

P
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Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

Euan said:

"If you breach a road rule, it doesn't matter if you are a car or a
bike, you've breached the road rule, therefore the penalty is the
same," said Inspector Alan Carlisle

Except for those without a license.
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Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

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Euan said:

"If you breach a road rule, it doesn't matter if you are a car or a
bike, you've breached the road rule, therefore the penalty is the
same," said Inspector Alan Carlisle

Except for those without a license.

Or drunk SA police prosecutors!!! :very angry

Cheers
Peter

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>> "Peter" == Peter McCallum <[email hidden]> writes:

Peter> Except for those without a license. -- Peter McCallum Mackay
Peter> Qld AUSTRALIA

I don't know how it works in Australia but in the UK you can accumulate
demerit points before you even have a licence. In the UK demerit points
stay on your licence for five years so if you incur say three before you
get learner's permit, your licence kicks off with three demerit points
for three years.

Insurance companies don't look kindly on that, especially if you've
managed to rack up eleven as one person I knew had.
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Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

Peter McCallum said:

Euan said:

"If you breach a road rule, it doesn't matter if you are a car or a
bike, you've breached the road rule, therefore the penalty is the
same," said Inspector Alan Carlisle

Except for those without a license.

And what about kids?

Zoom

Euan said:

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>>> "Peter" == Peter McCallum <[email hidden]> writes:

Peter> Except for those without a license. -- Peter McCallum Mackay
Peter> Qld AUSTRALIA

I don't know how it works in Australia but in the UK you can accumulate
demerit points before you even have a licence. In the UK demerit points
stay on your licence for five years so if you incur say three before you
get learner's permit, your licence kicks off with three demerit points
for three years.

Insurance companies don't look kindly on that, especially if you've
managed to rack up eleven as one person I knew had.

But you poms take bicycle education seriously, don't you? I recall
reading that there is multi level bicycle rider training in UK schools.

Peter

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Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

hahahaaha suckers I dont have a licence!!!!
(driving freaks me out)
if they start doing fines though it would affect me
8-(
Stephen

Stephen N said:

hahahaaha suckers I dont have a licence!!!!
(driving freaks me out)
if they start doing fines though it would affect me
8-(
Stephen

"Nooo officerh, I doon't harve a licenze. My name is Natalya Svetlana
Nesdesczowski, and I am frrrom Romania. I only ride zees bicycle..."

🙂

Tam a.k.a. Svetlana

Tamyka Bell said:

Stephen N said:

hahahaaha suckers I dont have a licence!!!!
(driving freaks me out)
if they start doing fines though it would affect me
8-(
Stephen

"Nooo officerh, I doon't harve a licenze. My name is Natalya Svetlana
Nesdesczowski, and I am frrrom Romania. I only ride zees bicycle..."

I'd be careful with that one - you will find yourself back in Romania
before you know it...

Brian

(or, was that the joke you were making?)

quote='Peter McCallum'Euan said:

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>>> "Peter" == Peter McCallum <[email hidden]> writes:

Peter> Except for those without a license. -- Peter McCallum Mackay
Peter> Qld AUSTRALIA

I don't know how it works in Australia but in the UK you can accumulate
demerit points before you even have a licence. In the UK demerit points
stay on your licence for five years so if you incur say three before you
get learner's permit, your licence kicks off with three demerit points
for three years.

Insurance companies don't look kindly on that, especially if you've
managed to rack up eleven as one person I knew had.

But you poms take bicycle education seriously, don't you? I recall
reading that there is multi level bicycle rider training in UK schools.

Peter

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Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA[/QUOTE]
I took a cycling proficiency test, can't remeber much about it 'cause I was like ten or something. I remember the most challenging bit was cycling at walking pace without wobbling.

That's the only education I had, maybe things have changed?

flyingdutch said:

dave said:

No but its a good point.. I will find the time to fit it in today?
THe
email addy is? (Yeah I know it will be easy to find.. I,m just lazy
this morning OK? )

[email hidden]

short and to the (on clear) point is more likely to get printed (ie
dont ramble/rant)

F " wanting to ramble/rant " Dutch

Did it today. HAd a support job in the sticks yesterday ending in GFs
car dying at 10.30 pm on the top of pretty sally in the rain.. with no
bloody tools or torch. Darker than the inside of a black cat. Nowhere
to pull off properly.. 6 inches deep of mud.. and while we had seen
hardly a car in the last 30 minutes.. it was suddenly busier than burke
st. Sheesh.

Wished I had had the bike in the back. Bloody thing is undermnining the
reputation of coronas

In article <[email hidden]>, Euan <[email hidden]>

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Licence demerit plan for cyclists

By Paul Heinrichs
July 24, 2005

Bike riders who commit offences such as running a red light will incur
demerit points against their driving licences under a dramatic shift
in road rules proposed by the police.

The coppers should also pick on cyclists riding at night without lights.
(They should also be defecting cars with 1 working headlight.)
I find it hard to see unlit bicycles when I'm riding, let alone when I'm
driving.

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The package, which is expected to gain impetus after last week's
cycling tragedy in Germany - which left one Australian bike rider dead
and two seriously injured - is also likely to include:

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· A limit on the number of cyclists who may ride together.

This is just silly. Bunches makes pushing the pedals easier.

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Full article at http://tinyurl.com/9q5aa
or

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/licence-demerit-plan-for-cyclists/
2005/07/23/1121539191336.html

Expanding on another posting, if someone is on a bike because they've
done their licence (speeding, drinking, etc), I'd find it very amusing
to see them keep losing it because they can't even obey road rules on a
pushbike. :-)

--
K.A. Moylan
Ski Club http://www.cccsc.asn.au
[email hidden]

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> A limit on the number of cyclists who may ride together.

This is stupid. The other stuff (lights, helmets, red lights etc) 100%.

If you ban groups, then you take away the fun (and safety) of the group.

Scotty

scotty72 said:

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>> A limit on the number of cyclists who may ride together.

This is stupid. The other stuff (lights, helmets, red lights etc) 100%.

If you ban groups, then you take away the fun (and safety) of the
group.

Yerr, and there are no witnesses when you get rammed by [censored].
Otherwise Constable Plod might had to do something.

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scotty72 said:

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>>> A limit on the number of cyclists who may ride together.

This is stupid. The other stuff (lights, helmets, red lights etc) 100%.

If you ban groups, then you take away the fun (and safety) of the
group.

Yerr, and there are no witnesses when you get rammed by [censored].
Otherwise Constable Plod might had to do something.

Point 1: If I have no driver's licence, how do I lose demierits?
Point 2: Are they thinking of banning large groups of motorised transport
also (such as cars?)

P