Letterewe access?

Malcolm said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Simonite
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Anyone know if the estate allows cycling beyond Kernsary up to Cranmore
barn, please?

The new access legislation means that they have to allow it.

Big Snip!

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I walked that route three years ago and thought at the time that it
would make great cycle. The path is mainly in excellent condition, I'd
reckon about 90% cycleable??

druidh

Paul Simonite said:

Anyone know if the estate allows cycling beyond Kernsary up to Cranmore
barn, please?

Carn Mor bothy, methinks.

Chris

Chris Gilbert said:

Paul Simonite said:

Anyone know if the estate allows cycling beyond Kernsary up to Cranmore
barn, please?

Carn Mor bothy, methinks.

Carnmore. The bothy is pretty basic, you could call it a barn.

As for cycling there, that would be following the path from Kernsary
to the causeway between Fionn and Dubh lochs. I have no experience of
this route myself but Storer describes the first part from Kernsary
alongside the Allt na Creige as tiresomely boggy.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

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from Malcolm <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Simonite
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Anyone know if the estate allows cycling beyond Kernsary up to Cranmore
barn, please?

The new access legislation means that they have to allow it.

Apologies for delayed response to the original question - had a major
computer crash last week and just back online.

The original question was not an access issue. The estate has no
problems with access to bikers or walkers. They do however, request
that cyclists restrict their cycling to the estate vehicle tracks and
use the stalking paths for walking only, a request with which I have no
problem. I just need to know how far towards the barn the vehicle track
extends - to this end I will speak to the estate stalker and ask
directly.

Thanks for the replies.

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Cheers,
Compo

Paul Simonite said:

The original question was not an access issue. The estate has no
problems with access to bikers or walkers. They do however, request
that cyclists restrict their cycling to the estate vehicle tracks and
use the stalking paths for walking only,

Hmm - I note that the latter is a "request", but it hardly squares with
the first sentence . .

druidh

In article <[email hidden]>, druidh
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Paul Simonite said:

The original question was not an access issue. The estate has no
problems with access to bikers or walkers. They do however, request
that cyclists restrict their cycling to the estate vehicle tracks and
use the stalking paths for walking only,

Hmm - I note that the latter is a "request", but it hardly squares with
the first sentence . .

Quite. And the estate can only "request". Under the new legislation they
are unable to stop cyclists going where they want, provided they do it
responsibly.

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Malcolm

My opinion, for what its worth, is that it is reasonable behaviour to
use a cycle on a track. However I personally don't think using a
cycle on a path can be classed as reasonable as it ruins the fragile
structure of the majority of paths that cannot cope with this mode of
transport. I do appreciate that walking causes damage but not to such
an impact.

The information you require about the path from Kernsary is that it has
recently been upgraded. Well had been when I was there last year.
You can cycle up through the forest shown on the map but he track
ceases there. The new path is higher up than shown on the map (which
is obviously the old path) and is in a reasonable state of repair.
Please don't damage it with a cycle.

A cycleable track approaches from the north at Gruinard and takes you
to the head of Loch an Sealga. After that it is rough going down the
south-west shore.

Lindsay.
www.caledoniahilltreks.com

Lindsay said:

My opinion, for what its worth, is that it is reasonable behaviour to
use a cycle on a track. However I personally don't think using a
cycle on a path can be classed as reasonable as it ruins the fragile
structure of the majority of paths that cannot cope with this mode of
transport. I do appreciate that walking causes damage but not to such
an impact.

The information you require about the path from Kernsary is that it has
recently been upgraded. Well had been when I was there last year.
You can cycle up through the forest shown on the map but he track
ceases there. The new path is higher up than shown on the map (which
is obviously the old path) and is in a reasonable state of repair.
Please don't damage it with a cycle.

A cycleable track approaches from the north at Gruinard and takes you
to the head of Loch an Sealga. After that it is rough going down the
south-west shore.

Lindsay.
www.caledoniahilltreks.com

I think we'll have to agree to differ on this one Lindsay.

One thing that can be said about bikers is that they tend to go
*through* muddy bits, whereas walkers tend to go *round* - resulting in
messy braiding. The estate also uses horses on the paths and they can
*really* mess up a good path.

I use to be a Ranger in a local park and the MTB vs. walker debate
ranged long and hard without resolution. If it were as black and white
as you make out, it'd have been resolved long ago.

druidh

Druidh - as said I was only expressing my own personal view and as you
say there are lots of different views on the matter. It was an
additional point to the state of the path from Kernsary.

I agree that walkers tend to walk round bogs but from my experiences as
a walker, guide and runner in some wooded areas around my home town
cycles do damge fragile surfaces as do walkers and runners. i just
think they do more. I do use a cycle on tracks in remote areas so I
am aware of their benefit.

However as you say we are unlikely to agreee on this issue anyway.

Regards.

Lindsay
www.caledoniahilltreks.com