Let the cop-outs begin!

"Jamie Hyatt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very closely
behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have said,
"That's Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure
we'll see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3
weeks away and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get stained!

Bring on the excuses!

His rear brake was rubbing.

"Jamie Hyatt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very closely
behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have said,
"That's Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure
we'll see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3
weeks away and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get stained!

Bring on the excuses!

He was dehydrated, having lost 18% of his body weight.

"Jamie Hyatt" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very closely
behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have said,
"That's Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure
we'll see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3
weeks away and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get stained!

Bring on the excuses!

Peace!... Jamie Columbia, SC.

Most of the faster guys are Spaniards and we know what
Armstrong thinks about them.

Nice! 😄

B. Lafferty said:

"Jamie Hyatt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very closely
behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have said,
"That's Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure
we'll see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3
weeks away and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get stained!

Bring on the excuses!

He was dehydrated, having lost 18% of his body weight.

Well of course! They have found a new undetectable drug or practice
before he and his doctors have! He's [censored]! How dare they! 🙂

Peace!

Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

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Quoted message said:

Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very closely
behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have said,
"That's Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure
we'll see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3
weeks away and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get stained!

Bring on the excuses!

Peace!... Jamie Columbia, SC.

Most of the faster guys are Spaniards and we know what
Armstrong thinks about them.

Live report on Cyclingnews said that a crazed fan punched him in the stomach.

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Originally posted by Jamie Hyatt
Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very closely
behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have said, "That's
Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure we'll
see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3 weeks away
and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get stained!

Bring on the excuses!

Peace!... Jamie Columbia, SC.

Quoted message said:

Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very closely
behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have said,
"That's Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure
we'll see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3
weeks away and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get stained!

Bring on the excuses!

Who needs excuses? It's going to be one heck of a race.
Lance will have the benefit of being a vastly superior
tactician, so I think Mayo will have a bigger effect on Jan.
The wildcard, in my book, remains Vino. Vino could pull
something out of a hat on a mountain stage and still be
competitive enough in a TT to hold onto a lead.

Lance, Jan, Vino, Tyler, Mayo... this could be a legendary
TDF. I still say that Lance is most "likely" to win, but put
his odds under 50%.

Think I'm gonna have to get me a Tivo before the start!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very
closely behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have
said, "That's Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure
we'll see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3
weeks away and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get

stained!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bring on the excuses!

Who needs excuses? It's going to be one heck of a race.
Lance will have the benefit of being a vastly superior
tactician, so I think Mayo will

have

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a bigger effect on Jan. The wildcard, in my book, remains
Vino. Vino

could

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pull something out of a hat on a mountain stage and still
be competitive enough in a TT to hold onto a lead.

Lance, Jan, Vino, Tyler, Mayo... this could be a legendary
TDF. I still

say

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that Lance is most "likely" to win, but put his odds
under 50%.

Think I'm gonna have to get me a Tivo before the start!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Mayo has always seemed to have his moments of brilliance,
but also his moments a bit off the back (or getting
throttled ala stage Luz Ardiden last year). I think the
constant high pace set by the postal team has taken its toll
in past years and could do so again ... if the departure of
Heras/arrival of Azevedo doesn't negatively impact that
aspect of things. Lance's team has always made A difference.
I think this year they might have to make THE difference.

Bob C.

Jamie> Bring on the excuses!

Remember when Lance pulled the wool over Telekom's eyes at
the base of Alpe D'Huez by, as Oracle of Truth Phil Ligett
exclaims, "pretending to be in difficulty"?

Well that's exactly what he has done on Ventoux. It is a
feint. Lance wants Mayo and Hamilton to think he's lost it.
It is so obvious it just might work.

:-)

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:15:43 GMT, Mike Jacoubowsky <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very closely
behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have said,
"That's Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure
we'll see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3
weeks away and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get stained!

Bring on the excuses!

Who needs excuses? It's going to be one heck of a race.
Lance will have the benefit of being a vastly superior
tactician, so I think Mayo will have a bigger effect on
Jan. The wildcard, in my book, remains Vino. Vino could
pull something out of a hat on a mountain stage and still
be competitive enough in a TT to hold onto a lead.

Lance, Jan, Vino, Tyler, Mayo... this could be a legendary
TDF. I still say that Lance is most "likely" to win, but
put his odds under 50%.

Think I'm gonna have to get me a Tivo before the start!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Just make doubly sure to extend the times. During the Giro,
OLN changed the time for one of the stages, and I missed the
end where Simoni took off.

--
Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

I guess Simoni will be saying now that he'll be putting time
into MAYO in the mountains of the TDF.

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very closely
behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have said,
"That's Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure
we'll see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3
weeks away and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get stained!

Bring on the excuses!

Who needs excuses? It's going to be one heck of a race.
Lance will have the benefit of being a vastly superior
tactician, so I think Mayo will have a bigger effect on
Jan. The wildcard, in my book, remains Vino. Vino could
pull something out of a hat on a mountain stage and still
be competitive enough in a TT to hold onto a lead.

Lance, Jan, Vino, Tyler, Mayo... this could be a legendary
TDF. I still say that Lance is most "likely" to win, but
put his odds under 50%.

Think I'm gonna have to get me a Tivo before the start!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"David Wuertele" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jamie> Bring on the excuses!

Remember when Lance pulled the wool over Telekom's eyes at
the base of Alpe D'Huez by, as Oracle of Truth Phil Ligett
exclaims, "pretending to be in difficulty"?

Well that's exactly what he has done on Ventoux. It is a
feint. Lance wants Mayo and Hamilton to think he's lost
it. It is so obvious it just might work.

:-)

Rope-a-dope is what I believe Muhammed Ali called the
technique.

Nice theory, but this time I don't think so.

Bob C.

psycholist wrote in message ...

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"David Wuertele" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jamie> Bring on the excuses!

Remember when Lance pulled the wool over Telekom's eyes
at the base of Alpe D'Huez by, as Oracle of Truth Phil
Ligett exclaims, "pretending to be in difficulty"?

Well that's exactly what he has done on Ventoux. It is a
feint. Lance wants Mayo and Hamilton to think he's lost
it. It is so obvious it just might work.

:-)

Rope-a-dope is what I believe Muhammed Ali called the
technique.

Yes, and look where it left Ali long term. Lance is cooked
whenever it gets hot, so the weather will again play a major
role this year...

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Nice theory, but this time I don't think so.

Bob C.

Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

Most of the faster guys are Spaniards and we know what
Armstrong thinks about them.

This may prove to be the most accurate comment, come the
Tour in July.

Jamie Hyatt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very closely
behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have said,
"That's Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure
we'll see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3
weeks away and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get stained!

Bring on the excuses!

Peace!... Jamie Columbia, SC.

Why would you have to be a Lance lover to use a win as
evidence that he is ready for number 6?

Why does today's results mean that Mayo suddenly learned how
to time trial and won't lose 6:07+ to Lance ITT and TTT?

Mayo is a non-factor for Lance. A much more serious
contender is Tyler.

Steven said:

Jamie Hyatt <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very closely
behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have said,
"That's Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure
we'll see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3
weeks away and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get stained!

Bring on the excuses!

Peace!... Jamie Columbia, SC.

Why would you have to be a Lance lover to use a win as
evidence that he is ready for number 6?

Why does today's results mean that Mayo suddenly
learned how to time trial and won't lose 6:07+ to Lance
ITT and TTT?

Mayo is a non-factor for Lance. A much more serious
contender is Tyler.

True (although non-factor may be overstating it.) Last year
Mayo lost 3:40 to Lance in the TTT and 2:00 and 3:30 in the
two ITTs. That's a lot of time to make up. However, because
Mayo can only lose 2:30 max in the TTT, and may well take
time out of Armstrong in the first ITT, he can be a definite
thorn in the side, causing Armstrong and USPS to spend more
energy this year keeping him close. Too bad Mayo can't
borrow some of Zubeldia's TT prowess.

I'm not convinced that today's result indicates how the two
will do at La Mongie and Plateau de Beille. USPS's strength
and Armstrong's explosiveness may well give him the edge in
those two stages.

Tyler, who took 1:30 out of Lance today has a much stronger
team than Mayo and is a much better TTer as well (He only
lost 30 seconds in the first ITT last year, and did better
than Armstrong in the second, although Armstrong did let up
once Ullrich fell.) Plus he knows USPS, Armstrong and
Brunyeel very well. Much harder to bluff or trick into a
stupid move.

Should be a fantastic July. I'm off to the store to stock up
on VCR cassettes. I anticipate a most enjoyable time on the
trainer this winter.

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Steven said:

Jamie Hyatt <[email hidden]> wrote in message ne-
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Quoted message said:

Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very
closely behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have
said, "That's Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure
we'll see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3
weeks away and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get stained!

Bring on the excuses!

Peace!... Jamie Columbia, SC.

Why would you have to be a Lance lover to use a win as
evidence that he is ready for number 6?

Why does today's results mean that Mayo suddenly
learned how to time trial and won't lose 6:07+ to Lance
ITT and TTT?

Mayo is a non-factor for Lance. A much more serious
contender is Tyler.

True (although non-factor may be overstating it.) Last
year Mayo lost 3:40 to Lance in the TTT and 2:00 and 3:30
in the two ITTs. That's a lot of

time

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to make up. However, because Mayo can only lose 2:30 max
in the TTT, and

may

Quoted message said:

well take time out of Armstrong in the first ITT, he can
be a definite

thorn

Quoted message said:

in the side, causing Armstrong and USPS to spend more
energy this year keeping him close. Too bad Mayo can't
borrow some of Zubeldia's TT

prowess.

Quoted message said:

I'm not convinced that today's result indicates how the
two will do at La Mongie and Plateau de Beille. USPS's
strength and Armstrong's

explosiveness

Quoted message said:

may well give him the edge in those two stages.

Tyler, who took 1:30 out of Lance today has a much
stronger team than Mayo and is a much better TTer as well
(He only lost 30 seconds in the first

ITT

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last year, and did better than Armstrong in the second,
although Armstrong did let up once Ullrich fell.) Plus he
knows USPS, Armstrong and Brunyeel very well. Much harder
to bluff or trick into a stupid move.

Should be a fantastic July. I'm off to the store to stock
up on VCR cassettes. I anticipate a most enjoyable time on
the trainer this winter.

How strange it would be if Lance lost his TdF crown and
another American donned it.

Bob C.

The next couple of days in the Dauphine may tell us more
about Armstrong's climbing legs than today's result.
Explainations from Tyler and Iban that Armstrong had a bad
day not with standing, I have to think that the scent of
Armstrong's blood is in the water for July. Last summer he
was swarmed on after showing weakness. This year he goes
into the Tour having shown weakness. Heras and Vino must be
feeling very happy this evening.

BTW, got a call from Rudy. He said Jan was so stoked by
today's result that he went off to the clinic for an extra
session of lipo.

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Steven said:

Jamie Hyatt <[email hidden]> wrote in message ne-
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Quoted message said:

Now, if LA would have won today, or finished very
closely behind Mayo, Lance obsessed lovers would have
said, "That's Lance. He's ready for his 6th!"

However, since he finished nearly 2 min down, I'm sure
we'll see most noddles say, "Well, the Tour is still 3
weeks away and he wouldn't want to peak too soon."

It's ok, don't get your shorts in a wad!....the chamois
might get stained!

Bring on the excuses!

Peace!... Jamie Columbia, SC.

Why would you have to be a Lance lover to use a win as
evidence that he is ready for number 6?

Why does today's results mean that Mayo suddenly
learned how to time trial and won't lose 6:07+ to Lance
ITT and TTT?

Mayo is a non-factor for Lance. A much more serious
contender is Tyler.

True (although non-factor may be overstating it.) Last
year Mayo lost 3:40 to Lance in the TTT and 2:00 and 3:30
in the two ITTs. That's a lot of

time

Quoted message said:

to make up. However, because Mayo can only lose 2:30 max
in the TTT, and

may

Quoted message said:

well take time out of Armstrong in the first ITT, he can
be a definite

thorn

Quoted message said:

in the side, causing Armstrong and USPS to spend more
energy this year keeping him close. Too bad Mayo can't
borrow some of Zubeldia's TT

prowess.

Quoted message said:

I'm not convinced that today's result indicates how the
two will do at La Mongie and Plateau de Beille. USPS's
strength and Armstrong's

explosiveness

Quoted message said:

may well give him the edge in those two stages.

Tyler, who took 1:30 out of Lance today has a much
stronger team than Mayo and is a much better TTer as well
(He only lost 30 seconds in the first

ITT

Quoted message said:

last year, and did better than Armstrong in the second,
although Armstrong did let up once Ullrich fell.) Plus he
knows USPS, Armstrong and Brunyeel very well. Much harder
to bluff or trick into a stupid move.

Should be a fantastic July. I'm off to the store to stock
up on VCR cassettes. I anticipate a most enjoyable time on
the trainer this winter.

psycholist said:

"David Wuertele" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Jamie> Bring on the excuses!

Remember when Lance pulled the wool over Telekom's eyes at
the base of Alpe D'Huez by, as Oracle of Truth Phil Ligett
exclaims, "pretending to be in difficulty"?

Well that's exactly what he has done on Ventoux. It is a
feint. Lance wants Mayo and Hamilton to think he's lost
it. It is so obvious it just might work.

:-)

Rope-a-dope is what I believe Muhammed Ali called the
technique.

Nice theory, but this time I don't think so.

Je suis d'accord.

Though both Mayo and Hamilton beat JVV's old record.
Looking back on Mayo's form this season he's been smoking,
but he did have an off day during the Veulta Asturias
before scoring enough time in the last stage (coming in
3rd) to win GC.