Leonids 2004

W. D. Grey said:

What the hell we're in the UK so lets talk UKspeak then.

UTC is used all the time in Britain, can't just shake your arms in the
air with a gernashing of teeth and awailin moan thus declaring that
such foul notions shudst not despoil our fair and pleasant land.

That was in the days when witches were rampant and curmudgeonly
wraiths were banished to live south of the Watford Gap.

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(Norman) said:

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and the software package is called PTBSync

Whats wrong with the Windows time adjustment in Control Panel?

its made by M$oft ;-)

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David said:

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In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
<[email hidden]> writes
>Astronomy needs this kind of standardisation, otherwise we'd get really
>confused!

Astronomers might - but we're not star gazers so familiar terms will do
best.

And in any case, if it's GMT they mean, why not just say so?
It's a universally accepted term, after all.

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Universally accepted but not thought up by the Yanks - I expect UTC was and
of course we have to keep the Yanks happy so please use it and drop the
centuries old term GMT!

For a fuller explanation of the difference (such as it is) betwen UTC
and GMT see this page:

http://www.npl.co.uk/time/time_scales.html
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

W. D. Grey said:

This is becoming silly.

What the hell we're in the UK so lets talk UKspeak then.

The Leonids will be visible all over the world. I got the info from an
astronomical website, which usually refer to time as UTC (much better
than giving American times). I just cut and pasted the data.

Paul
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GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

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I did, until it started locking up my computer every time it tried to
synchronise.

Maybe you were trying to synch with a time server that wasn't talking
to you?

Probably, that's why I tried others, the software gave a choice of a
number of different sources, but I kept having problems with different
ones so I gave up in the end.

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You mentioned 1998 or summat - I thought everything was ATX standard
with standby by then. 8>. Mine all were.

I can't remember if it was or not, but I build my own computers so they
tend to be a mixture of all sorts of things.

Now I think about it, I remember that the power supply conked out after
a couple of years. When I tried to replace it I was given an ATX one
which wouldn't fit, so the original definitely wasn't. I ended up
replacing it with a power supply from an older computer.

Paul
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In article <[email hidden]>,
SteveO@?.?.invalid writes

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UTC is used all the time in Britain, can't just shake your arms in the
air with a gernashing of teeth and awailin moan thus declaring that
such foul notions shudst not despoil our fair and pleasant land.

So is GMT and lot more frequently.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
<[email hidden]> writes

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The Leonids will be visible all over the world.

But you're talking to us and we're in the UK at least most of the
posters to the NG are.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook
<[email hidden]> writes

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For a fuller explanation of the difference (such as it is) betwen UTC
and GMT see this page:

Thanks Phil I'm sure you mean well. I and (I suspect others) aren't
interested in the respective differences if any. An argument has
developed - not uncommon - in this NG propagated by pseudo scientists
who think every one should speak their language.

It wasn't I who asked "Wossat?"

The bottom line is - everyone on the NG would know what is meant by GMT
but only a select few would know about UTC.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

W. D. Grey said:

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UTC is used all the time in Britain,

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So is GMT and lot more frequently.

But we're talking about astronomy here, in which UTC is used more
frequently.

Paul
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http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

W. D. Grey said:

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The Leonids will be visible all over the world.

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But you're talking to us and we're in the UK at least most of the
posters to the NG are.

As I said, I just cut and pasted it. I would have changed it to GMT if
I'd expected it to cause so much fuss.

Paul
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Paul Saunders said:

W. D. Grey said:

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UTC is used all the time in Britain,

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So is GMT and lot more frequently.

But we're talking about astronomy here, in which UTC is used more
frequently.

Then there are cases where UTC is used but it is called GMT >:-)

It's a bit like Celcius and Centigrade. The numbers are the same but
the specific scientific derivation of those numbers is different. Most
of the time when you see UTC you can assume GMT but don't ecxpect a
non english reader to know what GMT means.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

W. D. Grey said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook
<[email hidden]> writes

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For a fuller explanation of the difference (such as it is) betwen UTC
and GMT see this page:

Thanks Phil I'm sure you mean well. I and (I suspect others) aren't
interested in the respective differences if any. An argument has
developed - not uncommon - in this NG propagated by pseudo scientists
who think every one should speak their language.

It wasn't I who asked "Wossat?"

No but you were the one who insisted that UTC is not a familiar term.

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The bottom line is - everyone on the NG would know what is meant by GMT
but only a select few would know about UTC.

<rant>
What's a metre? A funny unit of length used by forrriners? Get real
UTC is understood by the world. Step outside of these insular self
infatuated islands and you find a whole load of different terms for
things that you know well. Thinking of terms encountered in walking
for example: couloir, arette, gendarme. The net is by it's nature
international, just because this is a uk.* group doesn't mean we have
exclusively UK based readers.
</rant>

Sorry, I think I'll go have a lie down now, I've been on the go since
about 05.30 (BST)
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
<[email hidden]> writes

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But we're talking about astronomy here, in which UTC is used more
frequently.

Good night!
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Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
person W. D. Grey <[email hidden]> said

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In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook
<[email hidden]> writes

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For a fuller explanation of the difference (such as it is) betwen UTC
and GMT see this page:

Thanks Phil I'm sure you mean well. I and (I suspect others) aren't
interested in the respective differences if any. An argument has
developed - not uncommon - in this NG propagated by pseudo scientists
who think every one should speak their language.

It wasn't I who asked "Wossat?"

The bottom line is - everyone on the NG would know what is meant by GMT
but only a select few would know about UTC.

So you are a proponent of 'dumbing down' then?? Heck, only a select few
know what a Leonid is .. the rest are coming expecting to see small
Lions.

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful person
Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> said
<snip>

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Now I think about it, I remember that the power supply conked out after
a couple of years. When I tried to replace it I was given an ATX one
which wouldn't fit, so the original definitely wasn't. I ended up
replacing it with a power supply from an older computer.

Hmm, an Astronomer, photographer, and builds own computers. If you read
SF and play computer games too, you are me, and I claim my £5.

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Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.

W. D. Grey said:

The bottom line is - everyone on the NG would know what is meant by GMT
but only a select few would know about UTC.

Now everyone in the NG is knows about UTC

Result!

SteveO

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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:37:15 +0100, Gordon <[email hidden]>

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I am under the impression that "zulu" referred to local time in military
context, as in: "We will rendezvous at 08:00 zulu".
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Not Local time but GMT (or maybe UTC!)

Judith

In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon
<[email hidden]> writes

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I am under the impression that "zulu" referred to local time in military
context, as in: "We will rendezvous at 08:00 zulu".

In a web site I looked at it gave zulu as GMT
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Now in this case, we Americans go our own way (as we seem to have done
so recently in another arena with rather disastrous results) and use
fahrenheit. Why I have no idea. We can't even agree to use the metric
system. (It was at one time labelled a communist plot.)

Blame us Brits. Much of Americana is borrowed from Britain of days past.
Not that Fahrenheit is actually out of use for much of our population.
It still gets a daily mention on most weather forecasts.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 69 summits
New - 47 (Marilyns 13, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 35)
Repeats - 22( Marilyns 7, Sweats 16, Wainwrights 16)

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It's a bit like Celcius and Centigrade. The numbers are the same but
the specific scientific derivation of those numbers is different.

I am not aware that there is anything different between Celcius and
centigrade. My (admittedly rather ancient) reference book has it that
centigrade was abandoned because of those strange foreigners who might
have mistaken it for a rightangle. Celcius is in any event a sop to non
scientists who don't want or indeed need to express temperature in
degrees Kelvin.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 69 summits
New - 47 (Marilyns 13, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 35)
Repeats - 22( Marilyns 7, Sweats 16, Wainwrights 16)