Lemond v. Trek



In article <[email protected]>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:

> And yet, Greg just couldn't focus on delivering a positive message about
> cycling. I don't know if he understood that many of the things he was saying
> (true or not is almost irrelevant) were detrimental to sales. We had
> customers who wouldn't even consider a LeMond because of Greg's musings in
> the press about how everyone was doping and that he was essentially the last
> clean athlete in the world etc.


This is sooo cool. Real world data on the commercial meaning of doping.
That sword cuts both ways. Greg Lemond tries to look clean, and fails.
Does not matter how clean he is, he is tarred by the doping brush
he whips around like The Three Stooges hanging wall paper. Is this irony?

--
Michael Press
 
In article
<[email protected]>,
RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Apr 9, 1:27 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > "RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > news:0f76295b-9f45-4ee8-94e2-1253bc3c8887@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 8, 9:05 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:

> >
> > >> Trek had/has a *lot* of explaining to do. They have a whole lot of
> > >> dealers
> > >> with inventory of LeMond bikes who want to know what's going on, and why.
> > >> Doesn't it make sense for them to put everything they can out in public,
> > >> as
> > >> quickly as possible? Beyond the fact that dealers are *owed* an
> > >> explanation
> > >> (after all, we have a lot of inventory $$$ on the line), it makes sense
> > >> to
> > >> try and get back to business as quickly as possible and that, again,
> > >> requires that you answer as many questions as you possibly can, as fast
> > >> as
> > >> you can, preferably before they're even asked. That's simply good
> > >> business.

> >
> > > Will RBRers get early notice of when the Lemond fire sale starts?
> > > Please let me know. Thanks.

> >
> > > PS How much extra to take off the decals?

> >
> > Do you have any business knowledge at all? LeMond brand name belongs to Trek
> > and they can do whatever they want with it as I understand it. They've
> > CHOSEN to keep Greg on as a spokesman and that has continuously bit them in
> > the butt since Greg is a notorious whiner whenever he gets in the limelight.

>
> Quit posturing. I'm first in line for the fire sale.
>
> On the topic of business acumen, do you believe these lawsuits will
> help the sale of Lemond bikes? You can count on Greg making things
> worse, so what's in it for TREK? They should get out while the
> getting is relatively good. I'd market Lemond kids bikes and put them
> in Walmart and Costco.


I'll buy one simply to keep it in the stores.

--
Michael Press
 
In article
<acdb0329-1c68-4637-b73a-a352387ff138@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Victor Kan <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Apr 8, 9:05 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > ... He doesn't
> > seem at all like the person in the press who believes he would have won 32
> > tours if the world hadn't conspired against him (the infamous "virtual" TdF
> > victories).

>
> Hm...does this fall into the virtual win category:
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2008/news_trek_lemond08
>
> "...The third count is "breach of contract", and here LeMond stands by
> all his previous comments about cycling and Armstrong, and that Trek
> has "failed" to uphold its contractual obligations that ... "has
> caused LeMond Cycling to lose revenue in an amount to be proven at
> trial".... "


It don't take no Philadelphia lawyer to answer that one.
Yeah, when LANCE wins seven TdF's you can expect to come
in second. Yer lucky we did not market an Armstrong bicycle
and hammer you flat.

--
Michael Press
 
On Apr 9, 5:49 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > And yet, Greg just couldn't focus on delivering a positive message about
> > cycling. I don't know if he understood that many of the things he was saying
> > (true or not is almost irrelevant) were detrimental to sales. We had
> > customers who wouldn't even consider a LeMond because of Greg's musings in
> > the press about how everyone was doping and that he was essentially the last
> > clean athlete in the world etc.

>
> This is sooo cool. Real world data on the commercial meaning of doping.
> That sword cuts both ways. Greg Lemond tries to look clean, and fails.
> Does not matter how clean he is, he is tarred by the doping brush
> he whips around like The Three Stooges hanging wall paper. Is this irony?


He's like one of those idiots that breaks up with a girlfriend,
totally trashes her to everyone within ear shot, then marries her.

R
 
"Bill C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Apr 9, 4:44 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > 158 groups, 9424 posts. And that's just one user name. He has used
> > another one, but I guess the point is made? --D-y

>
> I just checked mine too. A lot of that was stuff that got crossposted
> when Gummer Wingnut was here spouting his ****. There're only 6 I go
> to regularly and the three top groups after rbr were all from that
> ****. I have no idea how a few got posted to once or twice.


And I only post to this group, ba.bicycles and .marketplace very
occasionally. Not that that stops complete blithering idiots from making
claims that they know nothing about.
 
On Apr 9, 5:20 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Bill C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:3db19252-b83a-415a-8bac-1000abb483da@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 9, 4:44 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > 158 groups, 9424 posts. And that's just one user name. He has used
> > > another one, but I guess the point is made? --D-y

>
> > I just checked mine too. A lot of that was stuff that got crossposted
> > when Gummer Wingnut was here spouting his ****. There're only 6 I go
> > to regularly and the three top groups after rbr were all from that
> > ****. I have no idea how a few got posted to once or twice.

>
> And I only post to this group, ba.bicycles and .marketplace very
> occasionally. Not that that stops complete blithering idiots from making
> claims that they know nothing about.


What was your other nom de net, again, TK? Didn't that one have like
12,000 posts or something? Some large percentage during "working" (ha
ha, right?) hours? --D-y
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Apr 9, 5:20 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > "Bill C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:3db19252-b83a-415a-8bac-1000abb483da@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Apr 9, 4:44 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > 158 groups, 9424 posts. And that's just one user name. He has used
> > > > another one, but I guess the point is made? --D-y

> >
> > > I just checked mine too. A lot of that was stuff that got crossposted
> > > when Gummer Wingnut was here spouting his ****. There're only 6 I go
> > > to regularly and the three top groups after rbr were all from that
> > > ****. I have no idea how a few got posted to once or twice.

> >
> > And I only post to this group, ba.bicycles and .marketplace very
> > occasionally. Not that that stops complete blithering idiots from making
> > claims that they know nothing about.

>
> What was your other nom de net, again, TK? Didn't that one have like
> 12,000 posts or something? Some large percentage during "working" (ha
> ha, right?) hours?


What the hell are you talking about? I've been posting since the group
started. That probably adds up to a lot of postings. Especially since in the
early days there were actually people to talk to. So that's this "nom de
net" you're talking about? As far as I can recall I've never used anything
other than cyclintom.
 
On Apr 9, 7:08 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > What was your other nom de net, again, TK? Didn't that one have like
> > 12,000 posts or something? Some large percentage during "working" (ha
> > ha, right?) hours?

>
> What the hell are you talking about? I've been posting since the group
> started. That probably adds up to a lot of postings. Especially since in the
> early days there were actually people to talk to. So that's this "nom de
> net" you're talking about? As far as I can recall I've never used anything
> other than cyclintom.


Google disagrees with you. Their list of the all time top posters to
this newsgroup:

All time
6842 Tom Kunich
4838 [email protected]
4589 [email protected]

Your recall doesn't go very far it seems. Either that or your chimera
is at it again.

R
 
Dans le message de news:[email protected],
Michael Press <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> In article
> <acdb0329-1c68-4637-b73a-a352387ff138@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> Victor Kan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 8, 9:05 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> ... He doesn't
>>> seem at all like the person in the press who believes he would have
>>> won 32 tours if the world hadn't conspired against him (the
>>> infamous "virtual" TdF victories).

>>
>> Hm...does this fall into the virtual win category:
>>
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2008/news_trek_lemond08
>>
>> "...The third count is "breach of contract", and here LeMond stands
>> by all his previous comments about cycling and Armstrong, and that
>> Trek has "failed" to uphold its contractual obligations that ... "has
>> caused LeMond Cycling to lose revenue in an amount to be proven at
>> trial".... "

>
> It don't take no Philadelphia lawyer to answer that one.
> Yeah, when LANCE wins seven TdF's you can expect to come
> in second. Yer lucky we did not market an Armstrong bicycle
> and hammer you flat.


Not being from Philadelphia, I see it differently (and having read the
pleadings).
The failure to support was from 1995-9, resulting in a modified K which
compelled greater efforts on Trek's part, which was also not performed (per
sales figures) for the next several years, also. Armstrong was not yet in
the picture when the defaults occurred (according to papers).

Incidentally, when a Lemond bike is sighted in France, yes, it is (and has
been for a great long time) the subject of envy.
--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
 
"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Apr 9, 7:08 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> > What was your other nom de net, again, TK? Didn't that one have like
>> > 12,000 posts or something? Some large percentage during "working" (ha
>> > ha, right?) hours?

>>
>> What the hell are you talking about? I've been posting since the group
>> started. That probably adds up to a lot of postings. Especially since in
>> the
>> early days there were actually people to talk to. So that's this "nom de
>> net" you're talking about? As far as I can recall I've never used
>> anything
>> other than cyclintom.

>
> Google disagrees with you. Their list of the all time top posters to
> this newsgroup:
>
> All time
> 6842 Tom Kunich
> 4838 [email protected]
> 4589 [email protected]
>
> Your recall doesn't go very far it seems. Either that or your chimera
> is at it again.


So if I understand you correctly tkunich is your idea of a "nom de net" that
is different from Tom Kunich? By the way, Tom Kunich is also part of the
tkunich postings.
 
On Apr 9, 5:28 pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 5:11 pm, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I just checked mine too. A lot of that was stuff that got crossposted
> > when Gummer Wingnut was here spouting his ****. There're only 6 I go
> > to regularly and the three top groups after rbr were all from that
> > ****. I have no idea how a few got posted to once or twice.

>
> Gumbie was just on rec.bicycles.tech spouting about the proper way to
> carry a gun to protect yourself from dogs.  He's like **** on a shoe.
> Someone crossposts a question and he's all over Usenet.
>
> R


Typical. The sorry excuse for a human being is a total embarrassment,
at best, to reasonable, law abiding gun owners. There're so many
things wrong with the concept of a gun, on a bicycle, as defense
against dogs, that only a truly deranged idiot could come up with it.
I've never had it be a real problem, and if it was, I'd probably go
the Postal route with a wide stream pepper spray, or something
similar. They make stuff for use right up to discouraging grizzlys and
all of it makes a whole lot more sense.
He'd be SO easy to do with a bot it's ridiculous. His trying to tell
Howard how to be a machinist was classic. It'd be kinda like me
explaining to Lance how he had his training all wrong and I could fix
it.

The all time classic though is a clown named d. spencer hines. just
under one alias he's got 92 groups, and 23,156 posts. He's got dozens
of names he uses as they get shut down, killfiled, and blocked.
Thankfully he doesn't do bicycles.
Bill C
 
On Apr 9, 6:08 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On Apr 9, 5:20 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > "Bill C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >news:3db19252-b83a-415a-8bac-1000abb483da@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com....
> > > On Apr 9, 4:44 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > 158 groups, 9424 posts. And that's just one user name. He has used
> > > > > another one, but I guess the point is made? --D-y

>
> > > > I just checked mine too. A lot of that was stuff that got crossposted
> > > > when Gummer Wingnut was here spouting his ****. There're only 6 I go
> > > > to regularly and the three top groups after rbr were all from that
> > > > ****. I have no idea how a few got posted to once or twice.

>
> > > And I only post to this group, ba.bicycles and .marketplace very
> > > occasionally. Not that that stops complete blithering idiots from making
> > > claims that they know nothing about.

>
> > What was your other nom de net, again, TK? Didn't that one have like
> > 12,000 posts or something? Some large percentage during "working" (ha
> > ha, right?) hours?

>
> What the hell are you talking about? I've been posting since the group
> started. That probably adds up to a lot of postings. Especially since in the
> early days there were actually people to talk to. So that's this "nom de
> net" you're talking about? As far as I can recall I've never used anything
> other than cyclintom.


Well I googled this group for "Kunich".

Result:

<40,200 results for kunich>

I'll get back to you later on the ID thing. --D-y
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dans le message de news:[email protected],
> Michael Press <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> > In article
> > <acdb0329-1c68-4637-b73a-a352387ff138@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> > Victor Kan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Apr 8, 9:05 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>> ... He doesn't
> >>> seem at all like the person in the press who believes he would have
> >>> won 32 tours if the world hadn't conspired against him (the
> >>> infamous "virtual" TdF victories).
> >>
> >> Hm...does this fall into the virtual win category:
> >>
> >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2008/news_trek_lemond08
> >>
> >> "...The third count is "breach of contract", and here LeMond stands
> >> by all his previous comments about cycling and Armstrong, and that
> >> Trek has "failed" to uphold its contractual obligations that ... "has
> >> caused LeMond Cycling to lose revenue in an amount to be proven at
> >> trial".... "

> >
> > It don't take no Philadelphia lawyer to answer that one.
> > Yeah, when LANCE wins seven TdF's you can expect to come
> > in second. Yer lucky we did not market an Armstrong bicycle
> > and hammer you flat.

>
> Not being from Philadelphia, I see it differently (and having read the
> pleadings).
> The failure to support was from 1995-9, resulting in a modified K which
> compelled greater efforts on Trek's part, which was also not performed (per
> sales figures) for the next several years, also. Armstrong was not yet in
> the picture when the defaults occurred (according to papers).
>
> Incidentally, when a Lemond bike is sighted in France, yes, it is (and has
> been for a great long time) the subject of envy.


Thanks.

--
Michael Press
 
> The failure to support was from 1995-9, resulting in a modified K which
> compelled greater efforts on Trek's part, which was also not performed
> (per sales figures) for the next several years, also. Armstrong was not
> yet in the picture when the defaults occurred (according to papers).


Are you certain that it was a "failure" that sales didn't hit the minimum
quota? Trek did, if I read it correctly, pay Greg the minimum royalty as
required in the contract. Greg's action argues that a minimum is just
that... a minimum target, something which you'd generally exceed. HOWEVER- I
wasn't at that negotiating session (I doubt any of us were) and it could
very well be that Greg was more interested in achieving a certain number of
$$$ rather than bike sales per se. In that scenario, Greg simply felt that
his name was worth X dollars, period, and if Trek were to sell even more
than expected, he'd be further rewarded.

That is a similar concept to business rents where, if sales exceed a certain
amount, you owe the landlord more. That amount (the sales volume) is
generally set pretty darned high, and is basically a protection for the
landlord in the event the property is worth more than expected. The landlord
would love to see someone owe that additional money, but isn't generally
expecting it. And if that target is hit, everyone, including the retailer,
is happy. The retailer being happy not because he's giving the landlord more
money, but because he has a lot more money in his pocket to give.

I have no inside reason to believe this to be true. It's just one of those
things that came to mind as I was reading through the documents, based upon
my own business dealings.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dans le message de
> news:[email protected],
> Michael Press <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>> In article
>> <acdb0329-1c68-4637-b73a-a352387ff138@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>> Victor Kan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 8, 9:05 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> ... He doesn't
>>>> seem at all like the person in the press who believes he would have
>>>> won 32 tours if the world hadn't conspired against him (the
>>>> infamous "virtual" TdF victories).
>>>
>>> Hm...does this fall into the virtual win category:
>>>
>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2008/news_trek_lemond08
>>>
>>> "...The third count is "breach of contract", and here LeMond stands
>>> by all his previous comments about cycling and Armstrong, and that
>>> Trek has "failed" to uphold its contractual obligations that ... "has
>>> caused LeMond Cycling to lose revenue in an amount to be proven at
>>> trial".... "

>>
>> It don't take no Philadelphia lawyer to answer that one.
>> Yeah, when LANCE wins seven TdF's you can expect to come
>> in second. Yer lucky we did not market an Armstrong bicycle
>> and hammer you flat.

>
> Not being from Philadelphia, I see it differently (and having read the
> pleadings).
> The failure to support was from 1995-9, resulting in a modified K which
> compelled greater efforts on Trek's part, which was also not performed
> (per sales figures) for the next several years, also. Armstrong was not
> yet in the picture when the defaults occurred (according to papers).
>
> Incidentally, when a Lemond bike is sighted in France, yes, it is (and has
> been for a great long time) the subject of envy.
> --
> Bonne route !
>
> Sandy
> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
>
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:64006621-b00d-40dc-8fc4-dd82e494d0b7@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> Well I googled this group for "Kunich".
> Result:
> <40,200 results for kunich>
> I'll get back to you later on the ID thing.


So let's see, 20 years of postings - that's like what - 5 posts a day? By
the way, in the earlier days I posted to technical groups as well.
 
Tom Kunich wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:64006621-b00d-40dc-8fc4-dd82e494d0b7@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Well I googled this group for "Kunich".
>> Result:
>> <40,200 results for kunich>
>> I'll get back to you later on the ID thing.

>
> So let's see, 20 years of postings - that's like what - 5 posts a day?
> By the way, in the earlier days I posted to technical groups as well.
>


You want us to believe you've been posting here since 1988? IMPOSSIBLE!
I have it on good authority that money hadn't even been invented then.
Without money, you couldn't even have bought a computer.
 
Dans le message de news:[email protected],
Mike Jacoubowsky <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

> Are you certain that it was a "failure" that sales didn't hit the
> minimum quota? Trek did, if I read it correctly, pay Greg the minimum
> royalty as required in the contract.


Yes, I'm reasonably certain. If you were, for example, a car salesman, with
a guarantee of $250 a week, and almost all customers were directed to
someone else, would you consider that the employer was giving you a fair
chance to earn your expected living? Secondly, does the car enterprise
benefit by giving away money for low returns? Does it benefit from
mothballing a brand name? I think we'd all like to know, but that is far
from reasonable to hope to learn, as facts.

> Greg's action argues that a
> minimum is just that... a minimum target, something which you'd
> generally exceed. HOWEVER- I wasn't at that negotiating session (I
> doubt any of us were) and it could very well be that Greg was more
> interested in achieving a certain number of $$$ rather than bike
> sales per se.


Were that the case, I imagine the route would be to terminate the contract
amicably and go with another large entity. Using my earlier example, it
would be like negotiating the guarantee of a per capita quota of potential
customers, or leaving one dealer's shop for another's.

> In that scenario, Greg simply felt that his name was
> worth X dollars, period, and if Trek were to sell even more than
> expected, he'd be further rewarded.


If Trek wanted to keep a potential rivalry from erupting into a business
feud, detrimental to both parties, perhaps Trek was willing to increase the
cost of keeping a competitor out of the game. Just a possibility, although
I can't suggest it is the likely one. If that were the case, and Greg
agreed in principle, I bet he would not have settled at the level that was
agreed. I think this is partially evidenced even in the stuff you have
written.

> That is a similar concept to business rents where, if sales exceed a
> certain amount, you owe the landlord more.


In the sense that _all_ license agreements foresee (at their optimistic
origins) rising benefit levels, you are correct. However, when the object
is not to see increased sales, thus royalties, it is irrelevant.

> That amount (the sales
> volume) is generally set pretty darned high, and is basically a
> protection for the landlord in the event the property is worth more
> than expected. The landlord would love to see someone owe that
> additional money, but isn't generally expecting it. And if that
> target is hit, everyone, including the retailer, is happy. The
> retailer being happy not because he's giving the landlord more money,
> but because he has a lot more money in his pocket to give.


Typical mall rent schemes, yes, although there are negative variants we need
not go into.

> I have no inside reason to believe this to be true. It's just one of
> those things that came to mind as I was reading through the
> documents, based upon my own business dealings.


I think the parties each know part of the truth and remain ignorant of other
elements. But it does bear noting that the Armstrong shareholding in later
years may weigh more heavily on the decisions Trek made, on balance. It's
true that Armstrong, as shareholder, would benefit by increased Lemond sales
going to the bottom line, but if there were other motivations that tempered
the hunger for that specific profit, including the business judgment that
supporting a minor line did not generate the returns that the promotional
efforts would cost, that could also lead to the results Lemond complains of
in the papers.

I'm reading you - hope you will continue the dialogue.
--
Sandy
-
Darwinism, born in ideological struggle, has never escaped from an intimate
reciprocal relationship with worldviews exported from and imported into the
science. No one challenges the claim that evolutionary theory has had a wide
effect on social theory. It is a cliché of cultural history that the
explanation of evolution by natural selection served as an ideological
justification for laissez-faire capitalism and the colonial domination of
the lesser breeds without the law

- Richard Lewontin
 
On Apr 9, 8:02 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:64006621-b00d-40dc-8fc4-dd82e494d0b7@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Well I googled this group for "Kunich".
> > Result:
> > <40,200 results for kunich>
> > I'll get back to you later on the ID thing.

>
> So let's see, 20 years of postings - that's like what - 5 posts a day? By
> the way, in the earlier days I posted to technical groups as well.


And how many so far this week? During work hours? --D-y
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> And how many so far this week? During work hours?


Why am I not surprised that you say such things? Could it be that perhaps
I've been out of work for the last 3 months? Or that on other jobs I've
worked evenings or mornings?

How many times have you posted today?
 
"Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> If Trek wanted to keep a potential rivalry from erupting into a business
> feud, detrimental to both parties, perhaps Trek was willing to increase
> the cost of keeping a competitor out of the game.


The plain fact is that Trek put a WHOLE lot more effort into developing new
LeMond models EVERY SINGLE YEAR whereas their own Trek line didn't update
nearly so often.

Greg :LeMond isn't going to have a case even if he were to get to court.
 

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