Lemond, Heiden, Cruz to appear at LA Track WC

[Mike Gladu]

LEMOND, HEIDEN TO APPEAR AT LOS ANGELES WORLD CUP
American Cycling Legend and Five-time Olympic Gold Medalist Help
Celebrate World Class Track Cycling in L.A.

Colorado Springs, Colo. (December 8, 2004)‹Three-time Tour de France
champion and American cycling legend Greg LeMond and five-time Olympic
gold medalist Eric Heiden are scheduled to be special guests at the
upcoming UCI World Cup event at the ADT Event Center Dec. 10-12.

LeMond will be appearing on Friday, Dec. 10, and Heiden will be on hand
Saturday, Dec. 11.

Ticketholders who purchased an all session package and members of the
media are welcome to attend a VIP meet and greet with LeMond from
5:00-5:30pm Friday evening in the ADT Event Center infield. A similar
meet and greet for the general public with LeMond is also tentatively
scheduled for Friday evening.

On Saturday, similar events are planned with Heiden. Full details will
be announced shortly.

LeMond was the first American to win the Tour de France, capturing
overall titles in 1986, 1989 and 1990 and also became the first American
to win an elite world championship riding to the rainbow jersey on two
occasions in 1983 and 1989.

Heiden¹s name is synonymous with the highest degree of success at the
Olympic level. In 1980, Heiden displayed a rare combination of speed
and endurance on his way to five Olympic gold medals in Lake Placid,
N.Y. setting Olympic records at the time in the 500, 1000, 1500, 5000
and 10,000 meter speedskating events. Ditching his skates for a bike
shortly afterwards, the two-time Olympian won the USPRO Championship in
1985 and became a member of the 7-Eleven Professional Cycling Team, the
first American-based team to compete in the Tour de France.

On Sunday, the event¹s final day of competition, 2000 U.S. Olympic Team
member Antonio Cruz (Long Beach, Calif.) will be on hand. Cruz, a
Southern California native has been a member of the U.S. Postal Service
Professional Cycling Team for the last four years.

Event Tickets
Individual tickets start at only $15 and all event packages are also
available starting at only $60. For more information or to order
tickets, call 866-LAGROUP or order tickets online at
<http://www.aeggrouptickets.com/>www.aeggrouptickets.com.

For more information on the Los Angeles World Cup event, visit
<http://www.usacycling.org/>www.usacycling.org or
<http://www.homedepotcenter.com/>www.homedepotcenter.com, or
<http://www.uci.ch/>www.uci.ch

About the ADT Event Center
The 100,000 square foot, $15 million ADT Event Center is located on the
125-acre Home Depot Center campus in Carson, California. It is the first
and only permanent indoor track of international standard in North
America. The ADT Event Center hosts training and competition under the
guidance of USA Cycling, including the 2004 Junior Track National
Championships, 2004 World Junior Track Cycling Championships and the
2005 World Track Cycling Championships. The ADT Event Center will also
host other major competitions, events and cycling clinics.

About USA Cycling
Recognized by the U.S. Olympic Committee and the Union Cycliste
Internationale, USA Cycling promotes American cycling through its 45,000
members and 2,000 annual events. USA Cycling associations include the
BMX Association (BMX), National Off-Road Bicycle Association (mountain
bike), U.S. Cycling Federation (road/track) and the U.S. Professional
Racing Organization (professional mens road). For more information
contact, USA Cycling Communications Manager, Andy Lee at 719-866-4867.

-30-

 

[Badger]

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 04:32:25 GMT, Mike Gladu <[email protected]> wrote:

>LEMOND, HEIDEN TO APPEAR AT LOS ANGELES WORLD CUP
>American Cycling Legend and Five-time Olympic Gold Medalist Help
>Celebrate World Class Track Cycling in L.A.
>
>Colorado Springs, Colo. (December 8, 2004)‹Three-time Tour de France
>champion and American cycling legend Greg LeMond and five-time Olympic
>gold medalist Eric Heiden are scheduled to be special guests at the
>upcoming UCI World Cup event at the ADT Event Center Dec. 10-12.
>
>LeMond will be appearing on Friday, Dec. 10...

Hmm. That could get ugly, though I believe most ppl will be gracious,
particularly after viewing the 'Fearless' ep. GL seems like a nice enough
guy, even though many don't take too kindly to his comments about a certain
race winner. ;-)

-B

 

[Curtis L. Russell]

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 23:39:10 -0500, Badger<[email protected]>
wrote:

>Hmm. That could get ugly, though I believe most ppl will be gracious,
>particularly after viewing the 'Fearless' ep. GL seems like a nice enough
>guy, even though many don't take too kindly to his comments about a certain
>race winner. ;-)

Most people not on their third cup of beer react positively toward
anyone remotely a celebrity, Philadelphia and
Detroit fans toward other team's members notwithstanding. OTOH, those
may be perpetually on their third cup of beer or more.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

 

[B. Lafferty]

"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 04:32:25 GMT, Mike Gladu <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>LEMOND, HEIDEN TO APPEAR AT LOS ANGELES WORLD CUP
>>American Cycling Legend and Five-time Olympic Gold Medalist Help
>>Celebrate World Class Track Cycling in L.A.
>>
>>Colorado Springs, Colo. (December 8, 2004) >>champion and American cycling
>>legend Greg LeMond and five-time Olympic
>>gold medalist Eric Heiden are scheduled to be special guests at the
>>upcoming UCI World Cup event at the ADT Event Center Dec. 10-12.
>>
>>LeMond will be appearing on Friday, Dec. 10...
>
> Hmm. That could get ugly, though I believe most ppl will be gracious,
> particularly after viewing the 'Fearless' ep. GL seems like a nice enough
> guy, even though many don't take too kindly to his comments about a
> certain
> race winner. ;-)
>
> -B

Perhaps the Lemond bashers will be more circumspect in light of what's
happened with Tyler Hamilton.

 

[Phil]

"B. Lafferty" wrote:

> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 04:32:25 GMT, Mike Gladu <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>LEMOND, HEIDEN TO APPEAR AT LOS ANGELES WORLD CUP
> >>American Cycling Legend and Five-time Olympic Gold Medalist Help
> >>Celebrate World Class Track Cycling in L.A.
> >>
> >>Colorado Springs, Colo. (December 8, 2004) >>champion and American cycling
> >>legend Greg LeMond and five-time Olympic
> >>gold medalist Eric Heiden are scheduled to be special guests at the
> >>upcoming UCI World Cup event at the ADT Event Center Dec. 10-12.
> >>
> >>LeMond will be appearing on Friday, Dec. 10...
> >
> > Hmm. That could get ugly, though I believe most ppl will be gracious,
> > particularly after viewing the 'Fearless' ep. GL seems like a nice enough
> > guy, even though many don't take too kindly to his comments about a
> > certain
> > race winner. ;-)
> >
> > -B
>
> Perhaps the Lemond bashers will be more circumspect in light of what's
> happened with Tyler Hamilton.

If Tyler is found not guilty by the CAS, how will you reconcile that decision
with all the accusations that say he is already guilty?

LeMond has no specific evidence other than a verbal argument on a cell phone he
got into with Lance after accusing him of having some kind of "secret" which
LeMond himself apparently cannot name. It's like accusing someone of a crime,
not knowing what crime it is, and then saying it's your 'little secret' because
you won't confess to it.

LeMond is incredibly reckless in his quotes. He has virtually no sponsorhip
draw these days and he's probably jealous that Lance has made him second string
quarterback in the annals of the sport. It comes across as sour grapes.

As for Eric Heiden...they would have been better off inviting a gold medalist
in track cycling rather than ice skating.

Phil

 

[Carl Sundquist]

"Phil <phil@ .net >" <"no spam> wrote in message
>
> As for Eric Heiden...they would have been better off inviting a gold
> medalist
> in track cycling rather than ice skating.
>

Historically, speed skaters have done well at track cycling. FWIW, I believe
Heiden (admittedly he probably did it on a whim) rode the kilo in the 1980
Oly trials. Roger Young is the track director for the ADT Center. He was the
original track coach for 7 Eleven when they had a track team (at one time or
another Gorski, Matt Francis, Van Haute, O'Reilly, Nitz, Paraskevin, Twigg,
Harnett, Steida, Lettieri, et. al. were primarily track riders for
7-Eleven). Roger also has a speedskating background, so there is a lot of
connection to Heiden.

 

[Morgan Fletcher]

"Phil <phil@" <"no spam>.net"> writes:
> If Tyler is found not guilty by the CAS, how will you reconcile that
> decision with all the accusations that say he is already guilty?
>
> LeMond has no specific evidence other than a verbal argument on a cell
> phone he got into with Lance after accusing him of having some kind of
> "secret" which LeMond himself apparently cannot name. It's like accusing
> someone of a crime, not knowing what crime it is, and then saying it's
> your 'little secret' because you won't confess to it.
>
> LeMond is incredibly reckless in his quotes. He has virtually no
> sponsorhip draw these days and he's probably jealous that Lance has made
> him second string quarterback in the annals of the sport. It comes across
> as sour grapes.
>
> As for Eric Heiden...they would have been better off inviting a gold
> medalist in track cycling rather than ice skating.

"If you have nothing nice to say, <strike>say nothing at all.</strike> say
it on RBR."

Morgan
--
Morgan Fletcher, [email protected] Oakland, CA

 

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:14:16 -0600, Carl Sundquist wrote:
> Historically, speed skaters have done well at track cycling.

Even today, Jochem Uytdehaage (double Olympic gold medallist with world
records in Salt Lake City on the long distances) holds the record in a
high-profile track sprinting event, so fast that Theo Bos couldn't break
it this year.
http://www.vpro.nl/programma/hollandsport/artikelen/14422044/

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[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:14:16 -0600, Carl Sundquist wrote:
> Historically, speed skaters have done well at track cycling.

Also,
http://www.olympic.org/uk/athletes/heroes/bio_uk.asp?PAR_I_ID=75710

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[B. Lafferty]

"Phil <phil@ .net >" <"no spam> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> "B. Lafferty" wrote:
>
>> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 04:32:25 GMT, Mike Gladu <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>LEMOND, HEIDEN TO APPEAR AT LOS ANGELES WORLD CUP
>> >>American Cycling Legend and Five-time Olympic Gold Medalist Help
>> >>Celebrate World Class Track Cycling in L.A.
>> >>
>> >>Colorado Springs, Colo. (December 8, 2004) >>champion and American
>> >>cycling
>> >>legend Greg LeMond and five-time Olympic
>> >>gold medalist Eric Heiden are scheduled to be special guests at the
>> >>upcoming UCI World Cup event at the ADT Event Center Dec. 10-12.
>> >>
>> >>LeMond will be appearing on Friday, Dec. 10...
>> >
>> > Hmm. That could get ugly, though I believe most ppl will be gracious,
>> > particularly after viewing the 'Fearless' ep. GL seems like a nice
>> > enough
>> > guy, even though many don't take too kindly to his comments about a
>> > certain
>> > race winner. ;-)
>> >
>> > -B
>>
>> Perhaps the Lemond bashers will be more circumspect in light of what's
>> happened with Tyler Hamilton.
>
> If Tyler is found not guilty by the CAS, how will you reconcile that
> decision
> with all the accusations that say he is already guilty?

Unlikely, but it won't be decided until after the Lemond appearance.

>
> LeMond has no specific evidence other than a verbal argument on a cell
> phone he
> got into with Lance after accusing him of having some kind of "secret"
> which
> LeMond himself apparently cannot name. It's like accusing someone of a
> crime,
> not knowing what crime it is, and then saying it's your 'little secret'
> because
> you won't confess to it.

Lemond's assessment of Dr. Ferrari was spot on. Since making his comments,
Dr. Ferrari has been found guilty of criminal charges relating to doping.
Dr. Ferrari was Armstrong and Postals long time paid consultant. Lemond was
quite accurate in pointing out an association with a Dr. of highly
questionable ethics as to doping.


>
> LeMond is incredibly reckless in his quotes. He has virtually no
> sponsorhip
> draw these days and he's probably jealous that Lance has made him second
> string
> quarterback in the annals of the sport. It comes across as sour grapes.

In view of Dr. Ferrari's conviction and Hamilton's positives, Lemond is
looking more and more like a realist who spoke his mind up front and
forthrightly. How many other top riders are or have been blood doping the
past two years or so? As Manzano said, it's as easy as going into a
supermarket to buy a new pair of socks. Lemond is going to end up smelling
like a rose compared to Armstrong and Company.

>
> As for Eric Heiden...they would have been better off inviting a gold
> medalist
> in track cycling rather than ice skating.
>
> Phil
>

 

[Dave H]

"Phil <phil@ .net >" <"no spam> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> "B. Lafferty" wrote:




<snip>

> As for Eric Heiden...they would have been better off inviting a gold
> medalist
> in track cycling rather than ice skating.
>
> Phil

They did, Marty Nothstein will be racing this weekend, he looks fit, I
think he is doing the scratch race, then teaming with Colby for the Madison

Dave

 

[DESAY]

> FWIW, I believe
>Heiden (admittedly he probably did it on a whim) rode the kilo in the 1980
>Oly trials.

He placed second, 1.09 on a cool day in San Diego. I wasn't there but an
eyewitness account described that he got off the line OK but he never slowed
down or wilted as so many do on the last lap.

At natz that same year, incidently the infamous"knock down" fest that took
place in the sprints, Heiden injured his wrist/hand while driving a scooter. He
rode the kilo with a cast on his arm and finished in a 1.11 something. At the
time his legs looked as if they were chiseled from granite, quite a fit young
man.

 

[Tom Paterson]

From Morgan Fletcher:

[Eric Heiden]
>"If you have nothing nice to say,

Eric brought a lot of visibility and credibility to cycling. National Road
champ in '85. Became an ortho surgeon. General credit to humanity from anything
I've ever heard/read (not being any kind of "insider" of course). --TP

 

[Phil]

"B. Lafferty" wrote:

> "Phil <phil@ .net >" <"no spam> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
> > "B. Lafferty" wrote:
> >
> >> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 04:32:25 GMT, Mike Gladu <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>LEMOND, HEIDEN TO APPEAR AT LOS ANGELES WORLD CUP
> >> >>American Cycling Legend and Five-time Olympic Gold Medalist Help
> >> >>Celebrate World Class Track Cycling in L.A.
> >> >>
> >> >>Colorado Springs, Colo. (December 8, 2004) >>champion and American
> >> >>cycling
> >> >>legend Greg LeMond and five-time Olympic
> >> >>gold medalist Eric Heiden are scheduled to be special guests at the
> >> >>upcoming UCI World Cup event at the ADT Event Center Dec. 10-12.
> >> >>
> >> >>LeMond will be appearing on Friday, Dec. 10...
> >> >
> >> > Hmm. That could get ugly, though I believe most ppl will be gracious,
> >> > particularly after viewing the 'Fearless' ep. GL seems like a nice
> >> > enough
> >> > guy, even though many don't take too kindly to his comments about a
> >> > certain
> >> > race winner. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > -B
> >>
> >> Perhaps the Lemond bashers will be more circumspect in light of what's
> >> happened with Tyler Hamilton.
> >
> > If Tyler is found not guilty by the CAS, how will you reconcile that
> > decision
> > with all the accusations that say he is already guilty?
>
> Unlikely, but it won't be decided until after the Lemond appearance.
>

Even if the CAS decides Hamilton is guilty, the question you have to ask is: is
the CAS qualified to adjudicate a scientific test that has never been cofirmed
by another scientific group? I think the answer is no. It's not really even
debatable.

If you look back to court cases and the level of science that it took to get
DNA evidence validated by courts, it's nothing like the scrutiny this blood
transfusion test has withstood, which is basically nothing.

Phil

 

[Phil]

"B. Lafferty" wrote:

> "Phil <phil@ .net >" <"no spam> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
> > "B. Lafferty" wrote:
> >
> >> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 04:32:25 GMT, Mike Gladu <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>LEMOND, HEIDEN TO APPEAR AT LOS ANGELES WORLD CUP
> >> >>American Cycling Legend and Five-time Olympic Gold Medalist Help
> >> >>Celebrate World Class Track Cycling in L.A.
> >> >>
> >> >>Colorado Springs, Colo. (December 8, 2004) >>champion and American
> >> >>cycling
> >> >>legend Greg LeMond and five-time Olympic
> >> >>gold medalist Eric Heiden are scheduled to be special guests at the
> >> >>upcoming UCI World Cup event at the ADT Event Center Dec. 10-12.
> >> >>
> >> >>LeMond will be appearing on Friday, Dec. 10...
> >> >
> >> > Hmm. That could get ugly, though I believe most ppl will be gracious,
> >> > particularly after viewing the 'Fearless' ep. GL seems like a nice
> >> > enough
> >> > guy, even though many don't take too kindly to his comments about a
> >> > certain
> >> > race winner. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > -B
> >>
> >> Perhaps the Lemond bashers will be more circumspect in light of what's
> >> happened with Tyler Hamilton.
> >
> > If Tyler is found not guilty by the CAS, how will you reconcile that
> > decision
> > with all the accusations that say he is already guilty?
>
> Unlikely, but it won't be decided until after the Lemond appearance.
>
> >
> > LeMond has no specific evidence other than a verbal argument on a cell
> > phone he
> > got into with Lance after accusing him of having some kind of "secret"
> > which
> > LeMond himself apparently cannot name. It's like accusing someone of a
> > crime,
> > not knowing what crime it is, and then saying it's your 'little secret'
> > because
> > you won't confess to it.
>
> Lemond's assessment of Dr. Ferrari was spot on. Since making his comments,
> Dr. Ferrari has been found guilty of criminal charges relating to doping.
> Dr. Ferrari was Armstrong and Postals long time paid consultant. Lemond was
> quite accurate in pointing out an association with a Dr. of highly
> questionable ethics as to doping.
>

Dr. Ferarri was only convicted of telling athletes how to use EPO. He was NOT
convicted of providing them drugs nor administering them drugs. In other
words, he was convicted of reciting what the EPO package insert says. This
qualified as sporting fraud in Italy.

I wouldn't rule out an appeal or it being overturned. But even if it's not
overturned, 'associating with Ferrari' is hardly a scandal given his vast
knowledge of the sport. I myself have consulted with him from time to time
about his vertical ascent calculations as they relate to fitness. Am I now
under suspicion of purveying drugs?

LeMond's accusations are really nothing that would have any relevance in a
courtroom proceeding and are indistinguishable from heresay.

What drugs does LeMond think Lance took to win his sixth Tour? Answer: none.
LeMond's not big on details and facts, I guess.

Also, you have to question LeMond's motive about "not liking what I see
happening to the sport (i.e. with drugs)." Greg LeMond really tarnished his
legacy with these melodramatic statements and unfounded accusations against
Lance. If he had something relevant to say other than a cell phone fight with
Lance who was1,000 miles away, I'd be interested to hear it.

It's important to sieve relevant information from noise. What LeMond says is
common knowledge, and has a very low signal to noise ratio.

Phil

 

[Phil]

"B. Lafferty" wrote:

> "Phil <phil@ .net >" <"no spam> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
> > "B. Lafferty" wrote:
> >
> >> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 04:32:25 GMT, Mike Gladu <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>LEMOND, HEIDEN TO APPEAR AT LOS ANGELES WORLD CUP
> >> >>American Cycling Legend and Five-time Olympic Gold Medalist Help
> >> >>Celebrate World Class Track Cycling in L.A.
> >> >>
> >> >>Colorado Springs, Colo. (December 8, 2004) >>champion and American
> >> >>cycling
> >> >>legend Greg LeMond and five-time Olympic
> >> >>gold medalist Eric Heiden are scheduled to be special guests at the
> >> >>upcoming UCI World Cup event at the ADT Event Center Dec. 10-12.
> >> >>
> >> >>LeMond will be appearing on Friday, Dec. 10...
> >> >
> >> > Hmm. That could get ugly, though I believe most ppl will be gracious,
> >> > particularly after viewing the 'Fearless' ep. GL seems like a nice
> >> > enough
> >> > guy, even though many don't take too kindly to his comments about a
> >> > certain
> >> > race winner. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > -B
> >>
> >> Perhaps the Lemond bashers will be more circumspect in light of what's
> >> happened with Tyler Hamilton.
> >
> > If Tyler is found not guilty by the CAS, how will you reconcile that
> > decision
> > with all the accusations that say he is already guilty?
>
> Unlikely, but it won't be decided until after the Lemond appearance.
>
> >
> > LeMond has no specific evidence other than a verbal argument on a cell
> > phone he
> > got into with Lance after accusing him of having some kind of "secret"
> > which
> > LeMond himself apparently cannot name. It's like accusing someone of a
> > crime,
> > not knowing what crime it is, and then saying it's your 'little secret'
> > because
> > you won't confess to it.
>
> Lemond's assessment of Dr. Ferrari was spot on. Since making his comments,
> Dr. Ferrari has been found guilty of criminal charges relating to doping.
> Dr. Ferrari was Armstrong and Postals long time paid consultant. Lemond was
> quite accurate in pointing out an association with a Dr. of highly
> questionable ethics as to doping.
>
> >
> > LeMond is incredibly reckless in his quotes. He has virtually no
> > sponsorhip
> > draw these days and he's probably jealous that Lance has made him second
> > string
> > quarterback in the annals of the sport. It comes across as sour grapes.
>
> In view of Dr. Ferrari's conviction and Hamilton's positives, Lemond is
> looking more and more like a realist who spoke his mind up front and
> forthrightly. How many other top riders are or have been blood doping the
> past two years or so? As Manzano said, it's as easy as going into a
> supermarket to buy a new pair of socks. Lemond is going to end up smelling
> like a rose compared to Armstrong and Company.
>
>

Hamilton was not found to be positive yet under USADA or UCI protocol. The
entire purpose of the CAS hearing is to determine that.

If you think a trial is just some informal technicality, I'm not sure how you
justify going to work everyday as a lawyer. Tyler is not guilty of anything
right now, and he is free to show up at ANY USCF race he wants.

You are confusing Hamilton's test being called positive by testers verses being
called positive by the only body that matters: the Court of Arbitration of
Sport.

Phil

 

[Sandy]

"Phil <phil@ .net >" <"no spam> a écrit dans le message de :
news:[email protected]...
> Even if the CAS decides Hamilton is guilty, the question you have to ask
> is: is
> the CAS qualified to adjudicate a scientific test that has never been
> cofirmed
> by another scientific group? I think the answer is no. It's not really
> even
> debatable.

> Phil

I can't imagine where you get your law from. Marvel comics ?
They are qualified to adjudicate, as they are the agreed forum.
If it is capable of adjudication, then their competence relies on the fact
that the two sides agreed that they were competent !
Please venture not where wise men fear to tread.
--
Bonne route,

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

 

[Phil]

B. Lafferty" wrote:

> "Phil <phil@ .net >" <"no spam> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
> > "B. Lafferty" wrote:
> >
> >> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 04:32:25 GMT, Mike Gladu <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>LEMOND, HEIDEN TO APPEAR AT LOS ANGELES WORLD CUP
> >> >>American Cycling Legend and Five-time Olympic Gold Medalist Help
> >> >>Celebrate World Class Track Cycling in L.A.
> >> >>
> >> >>Colorado Springs, Colo. (December 8, 2004) >>champion and American
> >> >>cycling
> >> >>legend Greg LeMond and five-time Olympic
> >> >>gold medalist Eric Heiden are scheduled to be special guests at the
> >> >>upcoming UCI World Cup event at the ADT Event Center Dec. 10-12.
> >> >>
> >> >>LeMond will be appearing on Friday, Dec. 10...
> >> >
> >> > Hmm. That could get ugly, though I believe most ppl will be gracious,
> >> > particularly after viewing the 'Fearless' ep. GL seems like a nice
> >> > enough
> >> > guy, even though many don't take too kindly to his comments about a
> >> > certain
> >> > race winner. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > -B
> >>
> >> Perhaps the Lemond bashers will be more circumspect in light of what's
> >> happened with Tyler Hamilton.
> >
> > If Tyler is found not guilty by the CAS, how will you reconcile that
> > decision
> > with all the accusations that say he is already guilty?
>
> Unlikely, but it won't be decided until after the Lemond appearance.
>
> >
> > LeMond has no specific evidence other than a verbal argument on a cell
> > phone he
> > got into with Lance after accusing him of having some kind of "secret"
> > which
> > LeMond himself apparently cannot name. It's like accusing someone of a
> > crime,
> > not knowing what crime it is, and then saying it's your 'little secret'
> > because
> > you won't confess to it.
>
> Lemond's assessment of Dr. Ferrari was spot on. Since making his comments,
> Dr. Ferrari has been found guilty of criminal charges relating to doping.
> Dr. Ferrari was Armstrong and Postals long time paid consultant. Lemond was
> quite accurate in pointing out an association with a Dr. of highly
> questionable ethics as to doping.
>
> >
> > LeMond is incredibly reckless in his quotes. He has virtually no
> > sponsorhip
> > draw these days and he's probably jealous that Lance has made him second
> > string
> > quarterback in the annals of the sport. It comes across as sour grapes.
>
> In view of Dr. Ferrari's conviction and Hamilton's positives, Lemond is
> looking more and more like a realist who spoke his mind up front and
> forthrightly. How many other top riders are or have been blood doping the
> past two years or so? As Manzano said, it's as easy as going into a
> supermarket to buy a new pair of socks. Lemond is going to end up smelling
> like a rose compared to Armstrong and Company.
> =

If LeMond were right, it's only because he guessed. He has no personal
knowledge. And if he did, he should furnish it to USADA.

Anybody can speculate about gross observations of doping in virtually any pro
sport. It's really quite trivial. I don't view LeMond's statements as anything
more than trite, reckless speech that confuses innuendo and speculation with
specific knowledge. I think it's the messenger who is more important than the
message in LeMond's case as he has nothing specific to offer in the way of
evidence. As a matter of fact, LeMond comes across as not credible because he
would have everyone believe he never witnessed any doping in the peleton in his
10 year pro career, and if he did, how come he's never outted them?

Anybody in this newsgroup could speculate just like LeMond - but what does it
really mean in terms of facts and proof?

I bet you that everybody in this newsgroup would have stated those black
teenagers were all guilty of the Central Park jogger rape too. Because of that
case and many others like it, we now know the true value and accuracy of such
meaningless speculation by people and the media with no personal knowledge to
the germane facts.

Fine for banter in RBR, but irrelevant to any factual account on the matter.

Phil

 

[Sandy]

"Phil <phil@ .net >" <"no spam> a écrit dans le message de :
news:[email protected]...

> LeMond's accusations are really nothing that would have any relevance in a
> courtroom proceeding and are indistinguishable from heresay.

> Phil

I get infuriated when I read this. If you think you are a lawyer, consider
re-reading distinctions between "hearsay" and "admissions against interest".
Most of us who practice in real life know that difference instinctively, at
an early stage of career.

And, you may like to know that in non-US court settings, and in arbitration
settings, "hearsay" is regularly heard and evaluated, with the sensible
weighting it deserves. And ususally, the relevance is quite direct, even if
colored or tainted.

What you could have said is that virtually everything people write in this
newsgroup is unreliable hearsay, and worth nothing. That's more acceptable.
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Bonne route,

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

 

[Sandy]

BEEP ! back to bar exam prep !!

"Phil <phil@ .net >" <"no spam> a écrit dans le message de :
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Hamilton was not found to be positive yet under USADA or UCI protocol.
> The
> entire purpose of the CAS hearing is to determine that.

Do you spend extra hours figuring out how to be wrong ? Of course the test
is officially positive, just as a court conviction for drunken driving is a
positive. The hearing is based on the APPEAL of a finding of a positive ;
otherwise, there ain't no appeal (in arbitration, of course, that't not the
wording, but you don't care, anyway.)

> If you think a trial is just some informal technicality, I'm not sure how
> you
> justify going to work everyday as a lawyer. Tyler is not guilty of
> anything
> right now, and he is free to show up at ANY USCF race he wants.

Ain't no trial (I am writing in a presumed vernacular you may better be
acquainted with). Want to know why - go to the top of this page and read
where to find such answers.

> You are confusing Hamilton's test being called positive by testers verses
> being
> called positive by the only body that matters: the Court of Arbitration of
> Sport.

They have you on retainer for PR ???

> Phil


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Bonne route,

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR