LeMond double talk

Crescentius Vespasianus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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LeMond Cycles' new carbon Triomphe line of frames marks its most ambitious
high performance road offerings to date as well as its first all-carbon
frame developed fully in-house. Lead engineer Aaron Mock and the rest of
his
crew brought into play a "Min/Max" design philosophy to produce a frame
with
"minimum weight but maximum output".
-----
now here comes the double talk
-----
LeMond has always described himself as a "big believer in carbon fiber"
and,
in the prime of his career, was one of the earliest top pros to adopt the
new material for his race machines.
-----
What I heard before was he was a big believer in steel. But I guess that
only was valid as long as he was selling steel bikes. Then he was a
aluminum guy, and now a carbon guy.

Didn't Lemond race a Calfee frame at one point?

Ken

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Didn't Lemond race a Calfee frame at one point?

Ken

TVT

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LeMond Cycles' new carbon Triomphe line of frames marks its most ambitious
high performance road offerings to date as well as its first all-carbon
frame developed fully in-house. Lead engineer Aaron Mock and the rest of
his
crew brought into play a "Min/Max" design philosophy to produce a frame
with
"minimum weight but maximum output".
-----
now here comes the double talk
-----
LeMond has always described himself as a "big believer in carbon fiber"
and,
in the prime of his career, was one of the earliest top pros to adopt the
new material for his race machines.
-----
What I heard before was he was a big believer in steel. But I guess that
only was valid as long as he was selling steel bikes. Then he was a
aluminum guy, and now a carbon guy.

Lemond was always known as an innovator looking for a technological edge.
Hence his use of the first Look pedals along with Hinault and Boone Lennon's
areo bar in 1989. He was also one of the first pros to use carbon fiber,
IIRC, in 1986. In 1989 when he rode for ADR, he rode Botecchcia steel in
the time trial and carbon on mountain stages. In 1990 he use carbon for
mountain stages if not others. Lemond did very much like Reynolds 853 as a
frame material and had a number of his top end bikes made with that material
when first associated with Trek. Some of the lower range Lemond bikes from
the mid-1990s were steel and very nice riding and handling machines. Can't
remember the type of steel used in those.

Crescentius Vespasianus said:

LeMond has always described himself as a "big believer in carbon fiber" and,
in the prime of his career, was one of the earliest top pros to adopt the
new material for his race machines.

Yes. He raced carbon fiber a lot -- was among the first top guys to do
so with Look frames and he even used one re-badged as a Bottechia
while on ADR.

JT

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Kendall said:

Didn't Lemond race a Calfee frame at one point?

I think so, when he was on Z.

JT

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Didn't LeMond bicycle sell out to Trek. So he doesn't have any real say on
what get built. Trek is selling a lot of carbon bikes so why not sell some
under the LeMond name. That said, LeMond was alway on the cutting edge of
technology compared to the European teams/riders.

cel

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Crescentius Vespasianus said:

LeMond has always described himself as a "big believer in carbon fiber"

and,

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in the prime of his career, was one of the earliest top pros to adopt the
new material for his race machines.

Yes. He raced carbon fiber a lot -- was among the first top guys to do
so with Look frames and he even used one re-badged as a Bottechia
while on ADR.

JT

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Before he sold the brand to Trek, LeMond had a carbon bike in his lineup...
the bike shop I worked in during the early 90's sold LeMonds and we had one
of the carbon bikes there... Although I think it took forever before we ever
sold it. I think it was made by a company called Carbonframes, IIRC.

"Crescentius Vespasianus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

LeMond Cycles' new carbon Triomphe line of frames marks its most ambitious
high performance road offerings to date as well as its first all-carbon
frame developed fully in-house. Lead engineer Aaron Mock and the rest of

his

Quoted message said:

crew brought into play a "Min/Max" design philosophy to produce a frame

with

Quoted message said:

"minimum weight but maximum output".
-----
now here comes the double talk
-----
LeMond has always described himself as a "big believer in carbon fiber"

and,

Quoted message said:

in the prime of his career, was one of the earliest top pros to adopt the
new material for his race machines.
-----
What I heard before was he was a big believer in steel. But I guess that
only was valid as long as he was selling steel bikes. Then he was a
aluminum guy, and now a carbon guy.

Crescentius Vespasianus said:

LeMond Cycles' new carbon Triomphe line of frames marks its most ambitious
high performance road offerings to date as well as its first all-carbon
frame developed fully in-house. Lead engineer Aaron Mock and the rest of his
crew brought into play a "Min/Max" design philosophy to produce a frame with
"minimum weight but maximum output".
-----
now here comes the double talk
-----
LeMond has always described himself as a "big believer in carbon fiber" and,
in the prime of his career, was one of the earliest top pros to adopt the
new material for his race machines.
-----
What I heard before was he was a big believer in steel. But I guess that
only was valid as long as he was selling steel bikes. Then he was a
aluminum guy, and now a carbon guy.

Does anyone remember the Lemond Boomerang? It was a Zipp like carbon
frame hyped in the cycling press that never made it into the shops. A
friend of mine actually bought one at the Denver Veloswap and then it
got recalled. No idea how they tracked him down, but they convinced my
friend that it wasn't safe to ride.

Bret

cel said:

Didn't LeMond bicycle sell out to Trek. So he doesn't have any real say on
what get built.

Are you asking or telling?

JT

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Crescentius Vespasianus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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LeMond Cycles' new carbon Triomphe line of frames marks its most
ambitious
high performance road offerings to date as well as its first all-carbon
frame developed fully in-house. Lead engineer Aaron Mock and the rest of
his
crew brought into play a "Min/Max" design philosophy to produce a frame
with
"minimum weight but maximum output".
-----
now here comes the double talk
-----
LeMond has always described himself as a "big believer in carbon fiber"
and,
in the prime of his career, was one of the earliest top pros to adopt the
new material for his race machines.
-----
What I heard before was he was a big believer in steel. But I guess that
only was valid as long as he was selling steel bikes. Then he was a
aluminum guy, and now a carbon guy.

Didn't Lemond race a Calfee frame at one point?

Another example of the dumbshit jackasses who post [censored] here. Yes, in fact
LeMond rode a disguised TVT carbon bike in '89 on the mountain stages with
half ADR colors on it. His first commercial frames I believe included a TVT
with LeMond labels on it.

He also tried titanium, aluminum and on flat road stages rode Roland Della
Santa bikes rebadged as Bottecchia. However, the Bottecchias of that time
were almost identical to Roland's designs so there wasn't much difference
except Greg had a custom fit by a guy who had been building his bikes for a
decade.

You guys really don't understand business do you? A COMMITTEE comes up with
a sales plan and the various development teams design to the plan according
to their technical experts. Bontrager and LeMond and several others are
TECHNICAL ADVISORS. And it isn't some dumbshit job.

If you wuffos are just looking for something to slam Trek about why not
start your own group?

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Didn't LeMond bicycle sell out to Trek. So he doesn't have any real say on
what get built. Trek is selling a lot of carbon bikes so why not sell some
under the LeMond name. That said, LeMond was alway on the cutting edge of
technology compared to the European teams/riders.

cel

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Crescentius Vespasianus said:

LeMond has always described himself as a "big believer in carbon fiber"

and,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in the prime of his career, was one of the earliest top pros to adopt
the
new material for his race machines.

Yes. He raced carbon fiber a lot -- was among the first top guys to do
so with Look frames and he even used one re-badged as a Bottechia
while on ADR.

JT

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"Bret" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Does anyone remember the Lemond Boomerang? It was a Zipp like carbon
frame hyped in the cycling press that never made it into the shops. A
friend of mine actually bought one at the Denver Veloswap and then it
got recalled. No idea how they tracked him down, but they convinced my
friend that it wasn't safe to ride.

IIRC, it was manufactured by a Japanese company not traditionally known for
cycling products. I don't think it was Mizuno. For some reason Mitsubishi
comes to mind, but google doesn't turn up anything affiliating them.

http://9-26.way-nifty.com/photos/v2_voomerang/index.html

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Crescentius Vespasianus said:

LeMond Cycles' new carbon Triomphe line of frames marks its most
ambitious
high performance road offerings to date as well as its first all-carbon
frame developed fully in-house. Lead engineer Aaron Mock and the rest of
his
crew brought into play a "Min/Max" design philosophy to produce a frame
with
"minimum weight but maximum output".
-----
now here comes the double talk
-----
LeMond has always described himself as a "big believer in carbon fiber"
and,
in the prime of his career, was one of the earliest top pros to adopt the
new material for his race machines.
-----
What I heard before was he was a big believer in steel. But I guess that
only was valid as long as he was selling steel bikes. Then he was a
aluminum guy, and now a carbon guy.

Does anyone remember the Lemond Boomerang? It was a Zipp like carbon
frame hyped in the cycling press that never made it into the shops. A
friend of mine actually bought one at the Denver Veloswap and then it
got recalled. No idea how they tracked him down, but they convinced my
friend that it wasn't safe to ride.

I remember Calfee building LeMonds but they didn't sell to well. Craig
offered me one of the last ones since it was in my size. I could never get
past the two dimensional fillets though everyone that rides Calfees that
I've talked to raves about them.

Brian Phillips said:

Before he sold the brand to Trek, LeMond had a carbon bike in his lineup...
the bike shop I worked in during the early 90's sold LeMonds and we had one
of the carbon bikes there... Although I think it took forever before we ever
sold it. I think it was made by a company called Carbonframes, IIRC.

CarbonFrames became Calfee Design in 1997. And yes, CarbonFrames built
frames for Lemond and Team Z
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Oh, by the way, if I misread you my appologies.

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You guys really don't understand business do you? A COMMITTEE comes up
with a sales plan and the various development teams design to the plan
according to their technical experts. Bontrager and LeMond and several
others are TECHNICAL ADVISORS. And it isn't some dumbshit job.

If you wuffos are just looking for something to slam Trek about why not
start your own group?

"cel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Didn't LeMond bicycle sell out to Trek. So he doesn't have any real say
on
what get built. Trek is selling a lot of carbon bikes so why not sell
some
under the LeMond name. That said, LeMond was alway on the cutting edge of
technology compared to the European teams/riders.

cel

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Tue, 02 May 2006 22:34:42 GMT, "Crescentius Vespasianus"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>LeMond has always described himself as a "big believer in carbon fiber"

and,

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>in the prime of his career, was one of the earliest top pros to adopt
>the
>new material for his race machines.

Yes. He raced carbon fiber a lot -- was among the first top guys to do
so with Look frames and he even used one re-badged as a Bottechia
while on ADR.

JT

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Bret said:

Does anyone remember the Lemond Boomerang? It was a Zipp like carbon
frame hyped in the cycling press that never made it into the shops. A
friend of mine actually bought one at the Denver Veloswap and then it
got recalled. No idea how they tracked him down,

They put out a bounty for information that would help them find the
frames. So word got around quickly.

JT

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B. Lafferty said:

"Crescentius Vespasianus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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LeMond Cycles' new carbon Triomphe line of frames marks its most ambitious
high performance road offerings to date as well as its first all-carbon
frame developed fully in-house. Lead engineer Aaron Mock and the rest of
his
crew brought into play a "Min/Max" design philosophy to produce a frame
with
"minimum weight but maximum output".
-----
now here comes the double talk
-----
LeMond has always described himself as a "big believer in carbon fiber"
and,
in the prime of his career, was one of the earliest top pros to adopt the
new material for his race machines.
-----
What I heard before was he was a big believer in steel. But I guess that
only was valid as long as he was selling steel bikes. Then he was a
aluminum guy, and now a carbon guy.

Lemond was always known as an innovator looking for a technological edge.
Hence his use of the first Look pedals along with Hinault and Boone Lennon's
areo bar in 1989. He was also one of the first pros to use carbon fiber,
IIRC, in 1986. In 1989 when he rode for ADR, he rode Botecchcia steel in
the time trial and carbon on mountain stages. In 1990 he use carbon for
mountain stages if not others. Lemond did very much like Reynolds 853 as a
frame material and had a number of his top end bikes made with that material
when first associated with Trek. Some of the lower range Lemond bikes from
the mid-1990s were steel and very nice riding and handling machines. Can't
remember the type of steel used in those.

They were Excel "GLX" steel frames. A version of their 'Podium'
tubeset. Very nice riding bikes, BTW.

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B. Lafferty said:

"Crescentius Vespasianus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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LeMond Cycles' new carbon Triomphe line of frames marks its most
ambitious
high performance road offerings to date as well as its first all-carbon
frame developed fully in-house. Lead engineer Aaron Mock and the rest
of
his
crew brought into play a "Min/Max" design philosophy to produce a frame
with
"minimum weight but maximum output".
-----
now here comes the double talk
-----
LeMond has always described himself as a "big believer in carbon fiber"
and,
in the prime of his career, was one of the earliest top pros to adopt
the
new material for his race machines.
-----
What I heard before was he was a big believer in steel. But I guess
that
only was valid as long as he was selling steel bikes. Then he was a
aluminum guy, and now a carbon guy.

Lemond was always known as an innovator looking for a technological edge.
Hence his use of the first Look pedals along with Hinault and Boone
Lennon's
areo bar in 1989. He was also one of the first pros to use carbon fiber,
IIRC, in 1986. In 1989 when he rode for ADR, he rode Botecchcia steel in
the time trial and carbon on mountain stages. In 1990 he use carbon for
mountain stages if not others. Lemond did very much like Reynolds 853 as
a
frame material and had a number of his top end bikes made with that
material
when first associated with Trek. Some of the lower range Lemond bikes
from
the mid-1990s were steel and very nice riding and handling machines.
Can't
remember the type of steel used in those.

They were Excel "GLX" steel frames. A version of their 'Podium'
tubeset. Very nice riding bikes, BTW.

Right. Giordana had some road frames made of Excel tubing around the same
time. A friend in Alabama had one and said it was a very sweet riding
bicycle.

B. Lafferty said:

Lemond did very much like Reynolds 853 as a
frame material and had a number of his top end bikes made with that material
when first associated with Trek. Some of the lower range Lemond bikes from
the mid-1990s were steel and very nice riding and handling machines. Can't
remember the type of steel used in those.

I have a low end Lemond (Nevada City) that's about 5 years old. The
main triangle is Reynolds 853 while the rear triangle is Reynolds 531.