Led Zeppelin

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:06:16 -0600, [email hidden] (Hobbes)

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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:02:05 GMT, "Lester Long" <[email hidden]>

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> LED ZEPPELIN
> It's 30 years since Led Zeppelin released Physical Graffiti and invented
> heavy rock as we know it. Here's the inside story of how they did it. Q
> mag talks about it and how Zep is THE best band of all time and how they
are
> more relevant now more than ever.
>
> Jim

Heavy rock began waaay before PG.

Regards,
Lester

LZ first hit in 1969 about the same time as Black Sabbath.
Cream was doing relatively heavy at least 2-3 years before that as was
Hendrix.
I think Physical Graffiti came out in 1974 by which time there were
all sorts of heavy rock bands around.

And better. Physical Graffiti more or less marked the end of Zep as a
hugely popular band. They had been overtaken by Deep Purple, Slade, etc.
who in turn fell to dirty little Angus and a host of others in the late
70's.

Physical Graffiti was the band's shift to more eastern influenced
music and along with the lame follow up, presence, pretty much killed
them off as being meaningful. LZ3 wasn't bad but they just started to
ramble on (pun intended) musically instead of playing concise, well
written and arranged tunes.
Deep Purple never really overtook them as they were contemporaries. By
the end of This period Blackmore had moved on to Rainbow.
Slade, to me, were just a noizy pop band and without any real talent
they quickly slid from view. (And I did have a couple of their LPs)
By the end of the 70s it was the arrival of the big hair bands.

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For longevity it is hard to fault AC/DC. Get a sound, create an image and
stick to your guns.

Even with a change in vocalists.
Geordie (where Brian Johnston came from) were a fairly decent hard
rocking band as well although I wouldn't have called either of them
particularly heavy just loud. :-)
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> LED ZEPPELIN
> It's 30 years since Led Zeppelin released Physical Graffiti and

invented

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> heavy rock as we know it. Here's the inside story of how they did it.

Q

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> mag talks about it and how Zep is THE best band of all time and how

they

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are
> more relevant now more than ever.
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Bah. They just stole a bunch of blues licks and arranged them in a

format

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that would appeal to stoned white kids.

Willie Dixon sued the group - and won - for infringement on the song

"Whole

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Lotta Love" on the second album, copped from his song "You Need Love."

No wonder. It was a blatant copy word for word

1. Willie Dixon didn't sue - his son did for the estate.

2. It wasn't a rearrangent at all - it was a basically a cover of the
Willie Dixon tune. It was a huge screw-up by Zep, which both Page and
Plant later apologized for. Page said it was a cover and they just let the
credit thing go by without doing anything.

I'm no blues historian, but I think Willie initiated the lawsuit in 1985 (he
died in 92) but it may not have been settled until he passed away. As for
Page and Plant simply screwing up on the credit thing - maybe - but there's
a cynical side of me that believes they may have thought some broken down
old Mississippi blues man wouldn't be sophisticated enough pursue legal
action.

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LED ZEPPELIN
It's 30 years since Led Zeppelin released Physical Graffiti and

invented

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heavy rock as we know it. Here's the inside story of how they did it.

Q

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mag talks about it and how Zep is THE best band of all time and how

they

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are

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more relevant now more than ever.

Bah. They just stole a bunch of blues licks and arranged them in a format
that would appeal to stoned white kids.

Willie Dixon sued the group - and won - for infringement on the song

"Whole

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Lotta Love" on the second album, copped from his song "You Need Love."

No wonder. It was a blatant copy word for word
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Bob Mann
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They also stole from Blind Lemmon Jefferson, but he was dead, so he
couldn't sue.
Tom Morley

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Slade, to me, were just a noizy pop band and without any real talent
they quickly slid from view. (And I did have a couple of their LPs)

Hell, I'm embarrassed by having one of them. 😉
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JMW
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Jim said:

LED ZEPPELIN
It's 30 years since Led Zeppelin released Physical Graffiti and
invented heavy rock as we know it. Here's the inside story of how
they did it. Q mag talks about it and how Zep is THE best band of
all time and how they are more relevant now more than ever.

Jim

It must have been close to forty years since I heard them for the first
time. They were the warm-up band in a concert with Country Joe & the Fish in
Stockholm. The year must have been maybe 67 or 68. They were totally unknown
at this time but they made Country Joe sound like the warm down band instead
😉

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LED ZEPPELIN
It's 30 years since Led Zeppelin released Physical Graffiti and

invented

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heavy rock as we know it. Here's the inside story of how they did it.

Q

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mag talks about it and how Zep is THE best band of all time and how

they

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are

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more relevant now more than ever.

Bah. They just stole a bunch of blues licks and arranged them in a format
that would appeal to stoned white kids.

Willie Dixon sued the group - and won - for infringement on the song

"Whole

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Lotta Love" on the second album, copped from his song "You Need Love."

Every cultural expression is a "rip off" of something else. 6,000
million people can, and have, tried just about everything.

6,000 million? What, dead people don't count? It's estimated that a hundred
billion more have lived and died in the past 50,000 years. That said, early
[censored] Sapiens pretty much sucked at guitar.

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Bob Mann said:

Slade, to me, were just a noizy pop band and without any real talent
they quickly slid from view. (And I did have a couple of their LPs)

Hell, I'm embarrassed by having one of them. 😉

Hey...we were young and stoned at the time.
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Bob Mann
Help save trees. Wipe your ass with an owl.

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Jim said:

LED ZEPPELIN
It's 30 years since Led Zeppelin released Physical Graffiti and
invented heavy rock as we know it. Here's the inside story of how
they did it. Q mag talks about it and how Zep is THE best band of
all time and how they are more relevant now more than ever.

Jim

It must have been close to forty years since I heard them for the first
time. They were the warm-up band in a concert with Country Joe & the Fish in
Stockholm. The year must have been maybe 67 or 68. They were totally unknown
at this time but they made Country Joe sound like the warm down band instead
😉

I'm pretty sure Page was still with the Yardbirds in 67.
He also did a collaberation recording with Screaming Lord Sutch and
Friends which was total [censored].
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Bob Mann
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JMW said:

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Slade, to me, were just a noizy pop band and without any real talent
they quickly slid from view. (And I did have a couple of their LPs)

Hell, I'm embarrassed by having one of them. 😉

Hey...we were young and stoned at the time.

True, but we still should have recognized that there was just too much
glitter.
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JMW
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Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Slade, to me, were just a noizy pop band and without any real talent
>they quickly slid from view. (And I did have a couple of their LPs)

Hell, I'm embarrassed by having one of them. 😉

Hey...we were young and stoned at the time.

True, but we still should have recognized that there was just too much
glitter.

It wasn't just the glitter, Queen was great even then, it was the high
glitter to talent ratio. And stupid hats, socks, the whole grown up
Bay City Rollers look.
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Bob Mann
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4. Zep was a decent band. They weren't innovative or original enough to be
considered by most THE best band of all time. Like most heavy metal bands
they borrowed heavily from the blues, using very heavy amplification and
distortion effects.

Same with Jimi Hendrix.

Hendrix did some excellent blues straight up!

Of course, so did Zep. I prefer Whole Lotta Love to Dixon's version.

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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:02:05 GMT, "Lester Long" <[email hidden]>
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>"Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> LED ZEPPELIN
>> It's 30 years since Led Zeppelin released Physical Graffiti and invented
>> heavy rock as we know it. Here's the inside story of how they did

it. Q

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>> mag talks about it and how Zep is THE best band of all time and how they
>are
>> more relevant now more than ever.
>>
>> Jim
>
>Heavy rock began waaay before PG.
>
>Regards,
>Lester
>
LZ first hit in 1969 about the same time as Black Sabbath.
Cream was doing relatively heavy at least 2-3 years before that as was
Hendrix.
I think Physical Graffiti came out in 1974 by which time there were
all sorts of heavy rock bands around.

And better. Physical Graffiti more or less marked the end of Zep as a
hugely popular band. They had been overtaken by Deep Purple, Slade, etc.
who in turn fell to dirty little Angus and a host of others in the late
70's.

For longevity it is hard to fault AC/DC. Get a sound, create an image and
stick to your guns.

Ozzy has them beat on longevity if you combine his independent years
with his Black Sabbath years.

Good point.

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Bob Mann said:

Slade, to me, were just a noizy pop band and without any real talent
they quickly slid from view. (And I did have a couple of their LPs)

Hell, I'm embarrassed by having one of them. 😉

Not me.

Slade was cool. They at least got away from the guitar solo thing.

To me the band from that era I always come back to is Pink Floyd. I've
never quit listening to them.

Later on - the Clash. I've never quit listening to them either.

And of course, dirty little Angus.

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"Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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LED ZEPPELIN
It's 30 years since Led Zeppelin released Physical Graffiti and invented
heavy rock as we know it. Here's the inside story of how they did it. Q
mag talks about it and how Zep is THE best band of all time and how they

are

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more relevant now more than ever.

Bah. They just stole a bunch of blues licks and arranged them in a format
that would appeal to stoned white kids.

Willie Dixon sued the group - and won - for infringement on the song "Whole
Lotta Love" on the second album, copped from his song "You Need Love."

Every cultural expression is a "rip off" of something else. 6,000
million people can, and have, tried just about everything.

So your saying a word for word, note for note copy is okay?

No way. I agree with John Lennon's sentiment - "There are no new notes."

But when you do a cover you give credit where it is due.

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"Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> LED ZEPPELIN
> It's 30 years since Led Zeppelin released Physical Graffiti and invented
> heavy rock as we know it. Here's the inside story of how they did it. Q
> mag talks about it and how Zep is THE best band of all time and how they
are
> more relevant now more than ever.
>

Bah. They just stole a bunch of blues licks and arranged them in a format
that would appeal to stoned white kids.

Willie Dixon sued the group - and won - for infringement on the song "Whole
Lotta Love" on the second album, copped from his song "You Need Love."

Every cultural expression is a "rip off" of something else. 6,000
million people can, and have, tried just about everything.

So your saying a word for word, note for note copy is okay?

No way. I agree with John Lennon's sentiment - "There are no new notes."

But when you do a cover you give credit where it is due.

I read an interesting article on this subject yesterday while hamstering
on the treadmill:

http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?041122fa_fact

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" suggested a unique visual

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I read an interesting article on this subject yesterday while hamstering
on the treadmill:

You will have to forgive me.

I am SO literal.

But I got this visual of queenie wearing a hamster suit. And running on all
fours on a big wire mesh wheel.

Just for a moment though. Then I figured it out.

Again, I am SO literal.

Gets me in trouble all the time.

Lee Michaels said:

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" suggested a unique visual

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I read an interesting article on this subject yesterday while hamstering
on the treadmill:

You will have to forgive me.

I am SO literal.

But I got this visual of queenie wearing a hamster suit. And running on all
fours on a big wire mesh wheel.

Just for a moment though. Then I figured it out.

Again, I am SO literal.

Gets me in trouble all the time.

You will have to forgive me, but I imagine that somewhere a furry
fetishist is reading this, busily sketching the scene into his art
pad.

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JMW <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>Slade, to me, were just a noizy pop band and without
>>any real talent they quickly slid from view. (And I
>>did have a couple of their LPs)
>
>Hell, I'm embarrassed by having one of them. 😉

Hey...we were young and stoned at the time.

True, but we still should have recognized that there
was just too much glitter.

It wasn't just the glitter, Queen was great even then, it
was the high glitter to talent ratio. And stupid hats,
socks, the whole grown up Bay City Rollers look.

Dude, Queen was beyond glitter. They were something totally
different. Their first album was a phenomenal sound unlike
anything else. By the time the general public became
familiar with them through "Bohemian Rhapsody" they were
already getting a more commercial sound. I played the
hell out of their first album, and I still listen to it
from time to time.

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Bob Mann said:

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Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:
> JMW <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>Slade, to me, were just a noizy pop band and without
>>>any real talent they quickly slid from view. (And I
>>>did have a couple of their LPs)
>>
>>Hell, I'm embarrassed by having one of them. 😉
>
>Hey...we were young and stoned at the time.

True, but we still should have recognized that there
was just too much glitter.

It wasn't just the glitter, Queen was great even then, it
was the high glitter to talent ratio. And stupid hats,
socks, the whole grown up Bay City Rollers look.

Dude, Queen was beyond glitter. They were something totally
different. Their first album was a phenomenal sound unlike
anything else. By the time the general public became
familiar with them through "Bohemian Rhapsody" they were
already getting a more commercial sound. I played the
hell out of their first album, and I still listen to it
from time to time.

I agree. The first album was amazing. I really didn't care for where they
went after that, tho.

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:20:44 -0600, [email hidden] (Hobbes)

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In article <[email hidden]>, JMW

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Bob Mann said:

Slade, to me, were just a noizy pop band and without any real talent
they quickly slid from view. (And I did have a couple of their LPs)

Hell, I'm embarrassed by having one of them. 😉

Not me.

Slade was cool. They at least got away from the guitar solo thing.

They had to (LOL). No, they were fun for a while.

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To me the band from that era I always come back to is Pink Floyd. I've
never quit listening to them.

Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull. I always liked Thin Lizzy too, even before
Jailbreak.
I spent the fall of 74 and spring of 75 in England and saw a lot of
great concerts including Queen, Tull and Thin Lizzy.

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Later on - the Clash. I've never quit listening to them either.

And of course, dirty little Angus.

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Bob Mann
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