Learning Time

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I suspect this question has been asked many times, but I've just found this newsgroup. So, what
are some experiences of older riders (I pasted the 60 mark a couple of years ago) who have biked
on uprights forever and then switched to recumbents for the usual reasons of lower back pain, etc.

At 56, I'm not sure I count as an old fart, but I am not too far behind you. I've been 'bent almost
4 years. I had no compelling reason to leave DFs, but the 'bent concept appealed.

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I'll get my new recumbent in a few weeks....However, I am very determined to re-educate my body to
balance this critter.

Which one? LWB, SWB, CLWB, High BB, Low BB all have different characteristics. Some specifics can
apply to a unique 'bent flavor.

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I've been told that most people need a month or so and about a hundred miles to develop a decent
sense of balance. Others have told me about horror stories of constant falls and eventual
abandonment of the recumbent.

A Month or 300-400 miles is a good rule of thumb. I know of no one falling at high speed while
learning to ride. Most learning falls usually are the slow speed (not going fast enough to balance)
kind of falls.

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All experiences and training tips will be appreciated.

My suggestions:
1. Find a clear flat open parking lot to get your bent legs.
2. Your right foot may be dominant. If it is start with the left on the ground and the right pedal
at 10 o'clock
3. There is a tendency to over steer at first, Do not grip the H/B in a death grip. Try using only
the fingertips to steer. This is especially important if you have a SWB and the front wheel is
under your knees.
4. With your feet now out in front, it is possible to hit a bump and your feet will drop suddenly
to the pavement and your leg get sucked under you causing serious damage. As soon as you are
comfortable with the basics, move in to a pedal restraint system like SPDs or Eggbeaters.
5. After you have mastered the parking lot, find a small hill and practice starting and stopping in
the middle of the ascent.
6. Learn to spin lower gears rather than 'mash' the pedals in big gears. A Bent can be less
forgiving of the knees.
7. Glucosamine is recommended by many Drs. and this 'bent pilot for knee pain.
8. Go find some DF roadies and reel 'em in. Casually mention as you pass that today is your 63d
Birthday. They won't be too talkative at 25 mph.
9. Go find some big hills. Climb them before you go screaming down the other side.
10. Try not to think about the next 'bent for at least 6 months. 11 Wipe that grin off your face.
(well that is a lost cause).

--
Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

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All experiences and training tips will be appreciated.>>

What Cletus said, plus.......... When learning to ride your new bent, don't look at your feet in
front of you, or the front of the bike, or the ground immediately in front of the bike. Rather cast
your eyes somewhere out in front of the bike--waaaay down the road. When approaching a turn, look
around the corner in the direction you intend to ride. The bike will naturally follow.

Good Luck with your new bent. And do report back to us how it's going.

Norm

In article said:

I suspect this question has been asked many times, but I've just found this newsgroup. So, what
are some experiences of older riders (I pasted the 60 mark a couple of years ago) who have biked
on uprights forever and then switched to recumbents for the usual reasons of lower back pain, etc.

I'll get my new recumbent in a few weeks. I took the demo bike for a short test ride and felt like
an absolute fool. Especially when starting (or attempting to start) the bike into some semblance
of forward motion. My balance on an upright (both single and tandem) is well honed after 30 some
years of steady biking - the recumbent experience was humbling to say the least. However, I am
very determined to re-educate my body to balance this critter.

I've been told that most people need a month or so and about a hundred miles to develop a decent
sense of balance. Others have told me about horror stories of constant falls and eventual
abandonment of the recumbent.

Hi Dave:

Welcome to the "club."

I remember almost wobbling off the road into the curb, when I first took a recumbent for a ride.
Don't feel like a fool!

I'm 57, and started on a bent 4 years ago. I rode a BikeE for three years, and bought a
long-wheelbase Sun EZ Sport last fall. When I initially started on the BikeE, I found it to be very
unstable at low speed, and somewhat hard to control at most speeds. Rather than just gradually
adjusting, I struggled with it every day, then woke up one day after around three weeks of riding,
and all of a sudden it just felt totally normal, and right. Everything just clicked, all of a
sudden. It felt wonderful. Oddly, there didn't seem to be any gradual transition.

I haven't fallen yet, with close to 5,000 km on the two recumbos I've owned.

When I bought my EZ Sport, it felt totally controllable right from the start. Probably some of this
feeling was transferred from the initial experience on the BikeE, but I don't know how much. Just
keep riding, and very soon your recumbent bicycle will feel totally normal to you.

Good riding . . .

Paul Harris

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Quoted message said:

I've been told that most people need a month or so and about a hundred miles to develop a decent
sense of balance. Others have told me about horror stories of constant falls and eventual
abandonment of the recumbent.

All experiences and training tips will be appreciated.

Well, I'm only in my upper 30's, but I'll offer what I can.🙂 I got my bent last year, and the first
10 minutes were a trial. I swore I was going to wipe out, damage my new $1300 bike and send myself
to the ER. Then I decided if that was going to happen, I couldn't stop it, so I relaxed, leaned back
into the seat rest, and... became really stable. I can't stress enough that relaxing and not
fighting the bike was a must for me. A few times since then I have gotten tense on the bike, mostly
when traffic is bad, or the roads are wet, and I've noticed the bike becoming twitchy and sensetive
to steering input.

Bryan

p.s. If I didn't mention it relax, and enjoy the ride.

p.p.s. Did I mention relax, relax, have fun, relax, have a blast, and RELAX.

p.p.p.s. By the way, what bike did you order?

Dave, Welcome to Bentsville. It might help if you mentioned which bike you bought. There may be some
bike specific recommendations.

I understand just where you are coming from when you talk about knowing just what to do on a DF.
Cornering becomes automatic and you do it without thinking while carrying on a conversation with
other riders. Speaking from my Haluzak experience I can tell you that if you get the right bike you
will become one with the bike and feel totally relaxed and comfortable.

Learning curves will vary with the rider and bike style but after each ride you will feel more
confident than you did at the beginning. My best advice is to not expect too much too soon. Don't
let horror stories from others discourage you. And the biggest thing----RELAX. The worst thing you
can do is get tense and have a death grip on the bars.

Start out riding by yourself on a familiar and easy route. No pressure to keep up or converse or
navigate difficult areas. Let be fun, not a chore.

That said, I have been test riding different bents and feel like a clown all over again on each one
I try. But it quickly passes and the learning curve is much shorter now. Good luck. Don

"Dave Harney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I suspect this question has been asked many times, but I've just found this newsgroup. So, what
are some experiences of older riders (I pasted the 60 mark a couple of years ago) who have biked
on uprights forever and then switched to recumbents for the usual reasons of lower back pain, etc.

I'll get my new recumbent in a few weeks. I took the demo bike for a short test ride and felt like
an absolute fool. Especially when starting (or attempting to start) the bike into some semblance
of forward motion. My balance on an upright (both single and tandem) is well honed after 30 some
years of steady biking - the recumbent experience was humbling to say the least. However, I am
very determined to re-educate my body to balance this critter.

I've been told that most people need a month or so and about a hundred miles to develop a decent
sense of balance. Others have told me about horror stories of constant falls and eventual
abandonment of the recumbent.

All experiences and training tips will be appreciated.

Your inquiry must consider different factors. What type of bike did you ride? Under what conditions
did you ride it? What advice, if any, were you given? How did the bike fit you? Etc. For a lot of
us, a diamond frame is a diamond frame is a diamond frame. With a recumbent, the bike type
(longwheelbase, compact longwheelbase, or shortwheel base), the steering (underseat, above seat,
happy hamster or superman handlebar position), the configuration (low racer, semi-low racer, more
traditional), frame size, seat, etc. are all factors. That is why we say ride as many as you can
before deciding. You will get off one bike you can't manage around the parking lot and sit on
another that you feel at home on immediately. New riders have a tendency not to lean back in the
seat and relax. They tend to oversteer. There are some models that have higher learning curves than
others. I have over 10,000 recumbent miles but for some reason find it very difficult to ride a low
racer. The only one I could begin to navigate with some confidence on my first attempt was the
Sunset Lowracer (thank you Tom Sherman for letting me try yours). The bike I first rode was a
compact long wheelbase bike (BikeE) which is an easy bike to learn on. I felt confident after about
25 miles. From there the transition was seamless to a RANS V-Rex and now to a Barcroft Virginia GT.
Even with all those miles behind me, when we added a Barcroft Columbia tandem there was another
break-in period before I was confident with that. But the common theme here is relax and keep
riding. I also picked up pointers by watching other riders and how they handled shifting and
manuvering (especially with the tandem). For the first 25 miles I felt I had made a big mistake.
After 50 miles I thought things would be okay. After 75 miles you couldn't pry me away from the
bike. It just requires patience and practice. Welcome.

Mike S. St. Louis, Mo.

In article said:

Well, I'm only in my upper 30's, but I'll offer what I can.🙂 I got my bent last year, and the
first 10 minutes were a trial. I swore I was going to wipe out, damage my new $1300 bike and send
myself to the ER. Then I decided if that was going to happen, I couldn't stop it, so I relaxed,
leaned back into the seat rest, and... became really stable. I can't stress enough that relaxing
and not fighting the bike was a must for me. A few times since then I have gotten tense on the
bike, mostly when traffic is bad, or the roads are wet, and I've noticed the bike becoming twitchy
and sensetive to steering input.

I'll second this. The big fund-raiser for the club I belong to is the "Bike Swap" - sort of a big
community bike garage sale. A number of recumbents were there for sale. The adults who ride upright
road bikes all the time had a terrible time riding them. The kids would just jump on and ride. Let
the seat take your weight, relax, and just go.

-Carl

Actually, we bought two bikes from hostelshoppe.comhostelshoppe.comOpen ↗ a central Wisconsin bike shop that
specializes in recumbents. We traveled 150 miles to buy from them because of their excellent
reputation and willingness to help a new recumbent buyer. We really appreicate their assistance and
the scope of their recumbent oriented products. The bikes are:

Club Volae, Hostel Shoppe's private label bike: both wheels are 23-650c on a 45 inch wheel base and
a total bike length of 70 inches; seat height is 26 inches and the BB is 32.5; the bike weighs 27.5
lbs; the component set is Ultegra and 105 level stuff; it has OSS and we will use our Frog pedals.
Gearing is 30/42/52 and 11-32 9 speed. The frame is actually made by Vision.

Tandem Vision as customized by Hostel Shoppe: pretty much like the Vision VR85 but the shifting
stuff matches the Volae and some of the other components are supplied by Hostel Shoppe. Wife only
rides on a Tandem due to a balance disability issue.

The plan is for me to ride the Volae for about a month before we hang up our daVinci tandem (which
we truly love) and my wife joins me in the recumbent world. Our plan is to finish a couple of 50
mile fund raiser rides on the daVinci and then set a goal to ride 70+ miles in the Door County
Century right after Labor Day on the Vision. Wife's heart is already suffering withdrawal pains
thinking about the daVinci hanging in the garage all alone - but her lower back is looking forward
to a recumbent (mine too).

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Dave, Welcome to Bentsville. It might help if you mentioned which bike you bought. There may be
some bike specific recommendations.

I understand just where you are coming from when you talk about knowing just what to do on a DF.
Cornering becomes automatic and you do it without thinking while carrying on a conversation with
other riders. Speaking from my Haluzak experience I can tell you that if you get the right bike
you will become one with the bike and feel totally relaxed and comfortable.

Learning curves will vary with the rider and bike style but after each ride you will feel more
confident than you did at the beginning. My best advice is to not expect too much too soon. Don't
let horror stories from others discourage you. And the biggest thing----RELAX. The worst thing you
can do is get tense and have a death grip on the bars.

Start out riding by yourself on a familiar and easy route. No pressure to keep up or converse or
navigate difficult areas. Let be fun, not a chore.

That said, I have been test riding different bents and feel like a clown all over again on each
one I try. But it quickly passes and the learning curve is much shorter now. Good luck. Don

I would not use your Speedplay Frogs until you get used to riding bent. Pedals that have a platform
on one side and clipless on the other help help a lot for starting and stopping your bent, and would
be a worthwhile investment for the learning process IMHO.

Cheers, Derek

Dave Harney said:

Tandem Vision as customized by Hostel Shoppe: pretty much like the Vision VR85 but the shifting
stuff matches the Volae and some of the other components are supplied by Hostel Shoppe. Wife only
rides on a Tandem due to a balance disability issue.

Remember there are some fantastic recumbent *trikes* available... perfect for
balance-challenged folks.

Gary

I really was intrigued by the tandem trike - especially ones like the Greenspeed with the great hill
climbing ability. The problem for us was the transportation and storage issues of these big
machines. As wife is no longer interested in biking solo under any circumstances, the balance issue
is a moot point on the tandem - as long as my balancing ability is up to par.

If a tandem trike could readily be transported in the back of my pickup and be packed for European
air travel, it would have a lot more appeal. The Vision has some challenges in this regard, but it
is acceptable - not too much different from our daVinci.

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Dave Harney said:

Tandem Vision as customized by Hostel Shoppe: pretty much like the Vision VR85 but the shifting
stuff matches the Volae and some of the other components are supplied by Hostel Shoppe. Wife
only rides on a Tandem due to a balance disability issue.

Remember there are some fantastic recumbent *trikes* available... perfect for
balance-challenged folks.

Gary

Some 'bents are are easier for beginners to take their first few pedals on than others, depending on
the beginner. (Like a sun EZ1, for instance, that is so mild-mannered, I think my dog could ride
it). But after 20 miles on that bike, they might already be hankering for something sportier. You
sound like the kind of person who can use the performance of that Volae, and it will become second
nature shortly enough.

My wife can't pedal my Rans Rocket for even two feet. But my 58 year-old father got on and followed
me on a 10-mile run no problem, and he had the misfortune of having to go slowly to stay with me.

I think that folks who've ridden motorcycles or scooters or other 2-wheelers with a lower center of
gravity placed further back have a much easier time on a higher bottom bracket bent.

That said I always say this to people who try my 'bent and say "No WAY."

You didn't just get on your first bike and pedal away. It took hundreds of miles for you to feel
*completely* comfortable. That's the way it will be with a 'bent.

Is a LWB significantly easier to ride than a SWB?

mike s said:

... There are some models that have higher learning curves than others. I have over 10,000
recumbent miles but for some reason find it very difficult to ride a low racer. The only one I
could begin to navigate with some confidence on my first attempt was the Sunset Lowracer (thank
you Tom Sherman for letting me try yours)....

Mike,

Other than getting started out, you did not seem to be having any real balance or steering problems
riding my Sunset. The Sunset is certainly user friendly for a lowracer, however.

However, Mike is neglecting to inform us of his real recumbent learning mistake, which is do not buy
your wife a fairing and bodysock for her GRR. 😉

Tom Sherman - Various HPV's Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

Dave Harney said:

... The frame is actually made by Vision....

Actually the frame is made by Advanced Transportation Products (ATP). "Vision" is a brand name used
by ATP for their line of bicycles. [1]

[1] Another division of ATP is Winkle Wheel.

Tom Sherman - Recumbent Pedant Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

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Is a LWB significantly easier to ride than a SWB?

That was my experience when I first ventured into bentdom 4 years ago. It is easier to oversteer a
SWB where you are essentially sitting over the front wheel. Now I am a 2 SWB pilot.
--

Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

watsonglenn said:

Is a LWB significantly easier to ride than a SWB?

Not what Cletus said. My first two-wheeled recumbent experience was with an Avatar 2000 and I
couldn't keep it upright at all. Since then I've tried assorted home-brews, a Tour Easy, Peer Gynt,
Linear, MicWic and possibly one or two others and found them all a bit hairy.

Dave Larrington - legslarry.crosswinds.netlegslarry.crosswinds.netOpen ↗
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in article [email hidden], Dave Harney at [email hidden] wrote
on 5/7/03 4:34 PM:

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I really was intrigued by the tandem trike - especially ones like the Greenspeed with the great
hill climbing ability. The problem for us was the transportation and storage issues of these big
machines. As wife is no longer interested in biking solo under any circumstances, the balance
issue is a moot point on the tandem - as long as my balancing ability is up to par.

If a tandem trike could readily be transported in the back of my pickup and be packed for European
air travel, it would have a lot more appeal. The Vision has some challenges in this regard, but it
is acceptable - not too much different from our daVinci.

The Greenspeed GTV (tandem trike with S&S couplers) breaks down to go into two suitcases and can be
transformed to a solo.

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Is a LWB significantly easier to ride than a SWB?

I don't think a LSB is easier to *ride*, but it may be easier to *learn*. The reasons being that the
seat is usually more upright and the feet are usually closer to the ground.