Learned a lesson regarding hydration.

In article <[email hidden]>, Rick Huff

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For one of the more difficult training rides I made the mistake of rushing out of the house
without my water bottles. In all the many years I've been riding I've never done this on a hard
day or a race. So I had no way of knowing what to expect. Huge mistake. By the time I arrived to
pull out my bike and warm up I was already very thirsty. I usually start drinking a sports drink
on the way.

The ride started to go badly after the first 30 minutes and went quickly downhill from there. I
finished but was shot afterwards. That evening my whole body was thoroughly beaten up. Today, the
day after, I still feel very sore especially my legs. I don't know how long the effects of my
misfortune will last. But I now know that if this ever happens again, I will not do a hard
training ride. I'll just ride to the shop and by a bottle.

Or ride to a store and buy some Gatorade or some soda that you let defizz before drinking. On my 3-4
hour ride loops I know where there's a park with drinking fountains and two nearby vending machines
at the halfway point of the ride.

-WG

Are you sure this is Rick or is LA under a alias and trying to tell us all about how he felt after
the ITT???

; )

"Rick Huff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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For one of the more difficult training rides I made the mistake of rushing out of the house
without my water bottles. In all the many years I've been riding I've never done this on a hard
day or a race. So I had no way of knowing what to expect. Huge mistake. By the time I arrived to
pull out my bike and warm up I was already very thirsty. I usually start drinking a sports drink
on the way.

The ride started to go badly after the first 30 minutes and went quickly downhill from there. I
finished but was shot afterwards. That evening my whole body was thoroughly beaten up. Today, the
day after, I still feel very sore especially my legs. I don't know how long the effects of my
misfortune will last. But I now know that if this ever happens again, I will not do a hard
training ride. I'll just ride to the shop and by a bottle.

"Rick Huff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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For one of the more difficult training rides I made the mistake of rushing out of the house
without my water bottles. In all the many years I've been riding I've never done this on a hard
day or a race. So I had no way of knowing what to expect. Huge mistake. By the time I arrived to
pull out my bike and warm up I was already very thirsty. I usually start drinking a sports drink
on the way.

The ride started to go badly after the first 30 minutes and went quickly downhill from there. I
finished but was shot afterwards. That evening my whole body was thoroughly beaten up. Today, the
day after, I still feel very sore especially my legs. I don't know how long the effects of my
misfortune will last. But I now know that if this ever happens again, I will not do a hard
training ride. I'll just ride to the shop and by a bottle.

It's a hard way to learn the lesson :-) I actually had a similar experience yesterday. It was about
35 degrees here, so I took 5 bottles to the race, drank two on my way there + pre-race, then started
the race with two 750ml bottles. Probably should have stuck an extra one in my back pocket because
after the very first cobbled section I was one bottle down. It was the first time I'd used it and as
it was narrower, I should have put it it in the other cage... Stupid.

After that I figured that I'd get through 50 km maximum (< half distance) on the other bottle, which
I did, and luckily ended up getting enough prize money to buy a new bottle and a cage because over
half the field had pulled out by that stage due to the heat. But there was no way I was going much
further than that as it can be quite dangerous to race without water in those sort of temperatures.

Lucky there's no big Pyrenean stage today :-)

Jeff

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jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com said:

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For one of the more difficult training rides I made the mistake of rushing out of the house
without my water bottles. In all the many years I've been riding I've never done this on a hard
day or a race. So I had no way of knowing what to expect. Huge mistake. By the time I arrived to
pull out my bike and warm up I was already very thirsty. I usually start drinking a sports drink
on the way.

The ride started to go badly after the first 30 minutes and went quickly downhill from there. I
finished but was shot afterwards. That evening my whole body was thoroughly beaten up. Today,
the day after, I still feel very sore especially my legs. I don't know how long the effects of
my misfortune will last. But I now know that if this ever happens again, I will not do a hard
training ride. I'll just ride to the shop and by a bottle.

It's a hard way to learn the lesson :-) I actually had a similar experience yesterday. It was
about 35 degrees here, so I took 5 bottles to the race, drank two on my way there + pre-race, then
started the race with two 750ml bottles. Probably should have stuck an extra one in my back pocket
because after the very first cobbled section I was one bottle down. It was the first time I'd used
it and as it was narrower, I should have put it it in the other cage... Stupid.

After that I figured that I'd get through 50 km maximum (< half distance) on the other bottle,
which I did, and luckily ended up getting enough prize money to buy a new bottle and a cage
because over half the field had pulled out by that stage due to the heat. But there was no way I
was going much further than that as it can be quite dangerous to race without water in those sort
of temperatures.

Lucky there's no big Pyrenean stage today :-)

Jeff

A couple of weeks ago I ended up doing a longer ride than I'd intended- met up with friends and it
wound up being a metric century. It was terribly hot that day, maybe about 78-80 degrees, but I was
just parched toward the end. And on the last few k's I felt like I was about 100 years old and was
rambling along at about 18k an hour. All I did was guzzle water the rest of the day and pass out for
2 hours. THe next day I felt like utter HELL. Sort of like a squished raisin, utterly wiped out.I
had water on the ride but I probably should have picked up some gatorade along the way. (Head
Klunk). This was during the Tour and I said, boy lance wasn't kidding, you do feel like [censored] the day
after being dehydrated. I couldn't have gotten on a bike to save my life. Unlike lance, I didn't
have to race up Alpe dHuez!

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Jeff Jones"
<jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> wrote:

A couple of weeks ago I ended up doing a longer ride than I'd intended- met up with friends and it
wound up being a metric century. It was terribly hot that day, maybe about 78-80 degrees,

"terribly hot that day, maybe about 78-80 degrees".

That's pretty cool weather to be riding in, pretty nice really.

Here in eastern Washington State it didn't rain at all in July and most days were in the mid 90's
and 100's.

Don't tell G.W. about global warming through.

Dashii

"Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Here in eastern Washington State it didn't rain at all in July and most

days

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were in the mid 90's and 100's.

Don't tell G.W. about global warming through.

From 1996 through 2001, around here (Arkansas) 100+ degree days in July, August, and September were
pretty common. As in more than half of the days. Last year I don't think we cracked 100 even once,
and this year only a couple of times so far.

So what's your point?

"Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Here in eastern Washington State it didn't rain at all in July and most

days

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were in the mid 90's and 100's.

Don't tell G.W. about global warming through.

From 1996 through 2001, around here (Arkansas) 100+ degree days in July, August, and September
were pretty common. As in more than half of the

days.

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Last year I don't think we cracked 100 even once, and this year only a couple of times so far.

So what's your point?

My point is/was that Marlene's statement that it was "terribly hot 78 - 82 degrees" where she is, is
pretty comfortable riding weather here.

I just got back from a training ride, it was about 86F, very comfortable and I set a new PR.

Plus I think that G.W. is an idiot for not signing the Kyoto Protocol concerning global warming.
When it is apparent to anyone with half a brain that global warming is taking place.

The glacier's in Glacier National Park has just about disappeared, the Anartica ice shelf is
receding fast.

We can not continually destroy the environment in the name of "progress", wild life need a place to
live, their habitat needs to be protected.

Global warming is just one piece in the puzzle, and if it wasn't for dumbass
G.W. something positive could be done to halt or slow it down.

What was your point?

Dashii

"Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Here in eastern Washington State it didn't rain at all in July and

most

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days

Quoted message said:

were in the mid 90's and 100's.

Don't tell G.W. about global warming through.

From 1996 through 2001, around here (Arkansas) 100+ degree days in July, August, and September
were pretty common. As in more than half of the

days.

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Last year I don't think we cracked 100 even once, and this year only a couple of times so far.

So what's your point?

My point is/was that Marlene's statement that it was "terribly hot 78 - 82 degrees" where she is,
is pretty comfortable riding weather here.

I just got back from a training ride, it was about 86F, very comfortable

and

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I set a new PR.

Plus I think that G.W. is an idiot for not signing the Kyoto Protocol concerning global warming.
When it is apparent to anyone with half a brain that global warming is taking place.

The glacier's in Glacier National Park has just about disappeared, the Anartica ice shelf is
receding fast.

We can not continually destroy the environment in the name of "progress", wild life need a place
to live, their habitat needs to be protected.

Global warming is just one piece in the puzzle, and if it wasn't for

dumbass

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G.W. something positive could be done to halt or slow it down.

What was your point?

My point was that your hot summer is as much the fault of anything G.W. has or has not done as the
relatively cooler weather here.

Yes, IMO he was/is a dumbass for not signing the Kyoto agreement, but you look like a dumbass for
attributing the ice melting mentioned above as being his responsibility.

G.W. is enacting the current policy, however he is but one individual and easy to point at. Why not
try to heap much of the blame on industry CEOs or even stockholders who don't seem to mind
running or supporting businesses that have created many of the problems?

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"Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> Here in eastern Washington State it didn't rain at all in July and

most

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days
> were in the mid 90's and 100's.
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> Don't tell G.W. about global warming through.
>

From 1996 through 2001, around here (Arkansas) 100+ degree days in

July,

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August, and September were pretty common. As in more than half of the

days.

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Last year I don't think we cracked 100 even once, and this year only a couple of times so far.

So what's your point?

My point is/was that Marlene's statement that it was "terribly hot 78 -

82

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degrees" where she is, is pretty comfortable riding weather here.

I just got back from a training ride, it was about 86F, very comfortable

and

Quoted message said:

I set a new PR.

Plus I think that G.W. is an idiot for not signing the Kyoto Protocol concerning global warming.
When it is apparent to anyone with half a

brain

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that global warming is taking place.

The glacier's in Glacier National Park has just about disappeared, the Anartica ice shelf is
receding fast.

We can not continually destroy the environment in the name of

"progress",

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wild life need a place to live, their habitat needs to be protected.

Global warming is just one piece in the puzzle, and if it wasn't for

dumbass

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G.W. something positive could be done to halt or slow it down.

What was your point?

My point was that your hot summer is as much the fault of anything G.W.

has

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or has not done as the relatively cooler weather here.

Yes, IMO he was/is a dumbass for not signing the Kyoto agreement, but you look like a dumbass for
attributing the ice melting mentioned above as

being

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his responsibility.

It is his responsibility to do what is right for this nation and not just fo r special
interest groups.

He is directly responsibile for not supporting the conservation iniatives of past presidents and by
overturning or nullifying many of his predisessor's enviromental decisions, he shows his distain for
people interested in conservation.

You're right, I am a dumbass but that is one of the hazards of expressing my opinion on this
newsgroup. And I accept that label because I intend to express my opinion.

"WASHINGTON - The U.S. Senate Appropriations Committee today rejected Bush Administration proposals
to gut citizen enforcement of the Endangered Species Act and budget subterfuge that would have
significantly cut overall conservation spending, according to Defenders of Wildlife. The president's
budget proposal for fiscal year 2002 included a request for a "rider" on the Interior appropriation
that would have severely limited citizen oversight of the endangered species listing process, as
well as asking for major cuts in overall conservation funding that was part of a landmark
Congressional budget agreement last year. The Senate panel today sent its 2002 appropriations bill
to the full Senate without the requested rider, dubbed the "extinction rider" by environmentalists,
and with the vast majority of conservation funding intact."

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G.W. is enacting the current policy, however he is but one individual and easy to point at. Why
not try to heap much of the blame on industry CEOs

or

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even stockholders who don't seem to mind running or supporting businesses that have created many
of the problems?

Why? Because he is carrying the "big stick" and has the power, if not the guts, to do
something positive.

By the end of his four year term, this nation will be experiencing a two trillion dollar deficiet,
whereas when he took office we had a surplus.

How's your IRA and 401K doing, mine is down the tubes.

Dashii

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For one of the more difficult training rides I made the mistake of

With a name like Huff, I would expect you are an expert at huffing discarded bidons full of
urine. They do not necessarily have to be those of your cycling "butties". You may reuse your own
bidon. Thanks,

Henry

"Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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We can not continually destroy the environment in the name of "progress", wild life need a place
to live, their habitat needs to be protected.

That's why Burning Man should aim for statehood.

Temperature is relative and is a function of conditioning. Here in the bay area for the most part
it's been in the 60's / 70's and on those days when it jumps to the mid 80's, 90's or even in the
100's it just seems to shut everyone down. It's difficult to adapt to the heat if you can't train in
it for any length of time.

Since tuesday, when I made the mistake of continuing without liquids, I'm still dealing with the
negative effects of my misjudgment, as I'm still fairly knackered. My hope is that, with this
posting, anyone who finds themselves this sort of position, be careful!

[email hidden] (Henry Chang) wrote in message
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[email hidden] (Rick Huff) wrote in message
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For one of the more difficult training rides I made the mistake of

With a name like Huff, I would expect you are an expert at huffing discarded bidons full of
urine. They do not necessarily have to be those of your cycling "butties". You may reuse your own
bidon. Thanks,

Henry

Changster,

That wasn't even close to being funny. Try harder.

Deeznuts said:

(Henry Chang) said:

[something]

Changster, That wasn't even close to being funny. Try harder.

Chang doesn't write under his own name anymore.

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"Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Here in eastern Washington State it didn't rain at all in July and most

days

Quoted message said:

were in the mid 90's and 100's.

Don't tell G.W. about global warming through.

From 1996 through 2001, around here (Arkansas) 100+ degree days in July, August, and September
were pretty common. As in more than half of the

days.

Quoted message said:

Last year I don't think we cracked 100 even once, and this year only a couple of times so far.

So what's your point?

My point is/was that Marlene's statement that it was "terribly hot 78 - 82 degrees" where she is,
is pretty comfortable riding weather here.

I just got back from a training ride, it was about 86F, very comfortable and I set a new PR.

Plus I think that G.W. is an idiot for not signing the Kyoto Protocol concerning global warming.
When it is apparent to anyone with half a brain that global warming is taking place.

The glacier's in Glacier National Park has just about disappeared, the Anartica ice shelf is
receding fast.

We can not continually destroy the environment in the name of "progress", wild life need a place
to live, their habitat needs to be protected.

Global warming is just one piece in the puzzle, and if it wasn't for dumbass
G.W. something positive could be done to halt or slow it down.

What was your point?

Dashii

That was a typo- I must have sounded like such a weiner. It was supposed to be "WASN'T terribly
hot". That type of weather is pretty comfortable here too. That's why I wasn't expecting to get so
dehydrated! My mistake, and also I have a [censored] keyboard.

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"Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Here in eastern Washington State it didn't rain at all in July and most

days

Quoted message said:

were in the mid 90's and 100's.

Don't tell G.W. about global warming through.

From 1996 through 2001, around here (Arkansas) 100+ degree days in July, August, and September
were pretty common. As in more than half of the

days.

Quoted message said:

Last year I don't think we cracked 100 even once, and this year only a couple of times so far.

So what's your point?

My point is/was that Marlene's statement that it was "terribly hot 78 - 82 degrees" where she is,
is pretty comfortable riding weather here.

I just got back from a training ride, it was about 86F, very comfortable and I set a new PR.

Plus I think that G.W. is an idiot for not signing the Kyoto Protocol concerning global warming.
When it is apparent to anyone with half a brain that global warming is taking place.

The glacier's in Glacier National Park has just about disappeared, the Anartica ice shelf is
receding fast.

We can not continually destroy the environment in the name of "progress", wild life need a place
to live, their habitat needs to be protected.

Global warming is just one piece in the puzzle, and if it wasn't for dumbass
G.W. something positive could be done to halt or slow it down.

What was your point?

Dashii

That was a typo- I must have sounded like such a weiner. It was supposed to be "WASN'T terribly
hot". That type of weather is pretty comfortable here too. That's why I wasn't expecting to get so
dehydrated! My mistake, and also I have a [censored] keyboard.

"Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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We can not continually destroy the environment in the name of "progress", wild life need a place
to live, their habitat needs to be protected.

Global warming is just one piece in the puzzle, and if it wasn't for dumbass
G.W. something positive could be done to halt or slow it down.

What was your point?

Dashii

Hippy-boy,

Winter is a pain in the ass. Most places could really do with some global warming. Of course, making
the summers hotter sort of sucks but that is why we have AC.