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  1. I know there have been similar threads about "listing" to one side while
    riding, with no real solution to that problem, asserting that the
    probelm could be with the rider and not the uni, or maybe a psi/sadle
    height related problem, or "dishing",etc. My problem seems related, but
    when I ride muni, whether on level, or uneven, high left, high right
    side, I always seem to be "Leading" withmy left shoulder! It's like I'm
    trying to compensate for a left-pull of the uni. So I experimented with
    seat height, and tried adjusting the seat a little left, then a little
    right, but still no real improvement. Then I noticed when I took off my
    back pack, the shoulder leading almost disappeared, but it was still
    there. No, my backpack is equally weighted, with no extra weight on one
    side. One thing I haven't tried, is "building up" the seat on one
    side,to help" shift my weight to a more balance position. Am I correct
    in thinking that if my left shoulder is Jutting forward as I ride, that
    I should build up the RIGHT, to force my left shoulder BACK even withmy
    right? Does anyone think this might help, or solve the problem? I don't
    know what else to try, but I HATE the extra work involved just to stay
    on a straight course!:p

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  2. TheObieOne3226 said:

    The problem is either mental or you need to get used to your unicycle at
    its current setting. I often found when I made a change in tire
    pressure or seat hieght (or a number of other things) I had the same
    problem, and the more I noticed it the worse it got. My solution was to
    hop on the uni and ride it hard and fast until my legs were a little
    tired (but loosened up) and then hop back on the uni. More often than
    not it solved the problem.

    Of course, inspect your unicycle before doing this to make sure your
    wheel isn't off center. Also check your pedals, sometimes when your
    grip on the pedals isn't strong it leads to changes in the way you
    ride.

    I just thought that instead of building up the seat with foam under the
    cover, I could "shim" or add washers under one side of the seat where
    it bolts on.

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    Uni is just a cycle I'm going through. 😎

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  3. It may be that, as your riding develops, your musculature and technique
    are becoming asymmetric. Consider taking active steps to balance your
    riding style by idling with each leg, one-foot riding with each leg,
    working on figure 8s, hopping with each foot forward, and even holding
    the saddle with either hand.

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  4. i may have a some-what related problem. when i'm going up steepish hills
    i tend to have my left shoulder way out in front and in most cases my
    left shoulder is level with or further to the right than my seat. Is
    this a big problem?

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  5. when i ride across a sloped surface i tend to move my right shoulder
    forward a lot more just to stay up right. i got a new tire for my uni
    and it pretty much stopped when i did that.

    cheers, keep it wheel.

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  6. Well I just finished adding extra washers onder the right under side
    where the seat bolts on. I noticed BEFORE I did this that the seat was
    high on the left side when the bolts were even. I think I just
    compressed that side down more during riding. So I will see if this has
    any effect and fixes the problem. Thanks everybody!🙂

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  7. I have come to my own conclusion that leading with one shoulder or the
    other is a means for controlling front-to-back balance.

    I get into an awkward position such as a left or right slanting road
    surface, I slow down and the next thing that happens is one shoulder
    starts leading the way. One shoulder goes forward and so of course the
    other goes back. Then instead of using my arms to control side-to-side
    balance my arms are controlling front-to-back balance.

    Slanted surfaces and steeply curved road crown (especially while riding
    my 29er) still give me a lot of trouble. It is better than it used to
    be but still feels really awkward.

    I don't think it is your equipment unless something is really
    mis-aligned. The problem is with the rider.

    My 2 cents.

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  8. Wheel Rider said:

    I have come to my own conclusion that leading with one shoulder or the
    other is a means for controlling front-to-back balance.

    The problem is with the rider.

    My 2 cents.

    You shouldn't have to "think" about that stuff when you ride; it should
    all be totally natural and flowing, like riding a bike.You don't think
    about balance, you just ride and react naturally. It really takes the
    fun out of riding when you're constantly readjusting and compensating
    to simply stay on a straight path.It's taxing and saps my stamina over
    a long 3 hour ride. When I pull my backpack way over to the right,it
    seems to straighten me out, but it's evenly weighted. So it seems that
    I need more weight on my right side in order to balance me out. maybe I
    can situate my water bladder over to the right side, so Idon't have to
    add extra weight.🙁

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    terrybigwheel

    Impotence: Nature's Way Of Saying "No Hard Feelings".

    Uni is just a cycle I'm going through. 😎

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  9. TheObieOne3226 said:

    The problem is either mental or you need to get used to your unicycle at
    its current setting. I often found when I made a change in tire
    pressure or seat hieght (or a number of other things) I had the same
    problem, and the more I noticed it the worse it got. My solution was to
    hop on the uni and ride it hard and fast until my legs were a little
    tired (but loosened up) and then hop back on the uni. More often than
    not it solved the problem.

    Of course, inspect your unicycle before doing this to make sure your
    wheel isn't off center. Also check your pedals, sometimes when your
    grip on the pedals isn't strong it leads to changes in the way you
    ride.

    I've found this to be right. When I upped the pressure on my Coker
    tire, this happened, and I eventually just got used to it and it went
    away.

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  10. loosejello said:

    I've found this to be right. When I upped the pressure on my Coker tire,
    this happened, and I eventually just got used to it and it went away.

    You found "what" to be right? When you upped the pressure what exactly
    happened?

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    Uni is just a cycle I'm going through. 😎

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  11. Yesterday I rode Daytripper63's brand new KH 29er (with splined axle). I
    felt like it rode a little funny, wanting to pull to one side or the
    other, like riding on carpet. Very noticeable when riding on slanted
    bits of trail. It was very noticeable at first, but after a mile or so
    of riding it I felt less uncomfortable. I think the tire pressure was
    okay, though I didn't change it. I don't know if it's the tire shape.
    My tendency is to trust Kris on the choice of tire on any of his
    unicycles.

    But I only rode a mile or so, not enough to form a proper opinion or
    nail down the problem (if any).

    For Terry, I'd recommend starting with the advice of whoever said to
    ride a different unicycle. Isolate whether it's the unicycle or you.

    The problem is *not* necessarily just in your mind or riding technique.
    It could also be orthopedic. But that's one of those things to be stuck
    with, only after eliminating everything else. Backpack: Are you sure
    the straps are equally adjusted? I usually have to adjust my Camelbak
    straps a little on every ride, as they tend to loosen.

    Are you holding the seat most of the time? If so, which hand is on the
    seat? If that shoulder is leading I don't think it's a problem. But if
    it constantly bugs you it is. If you don't normally hold the seat, try
    it. Hold the seat for long periods. It might take a while to get used
    to the idea, but it makes you more stable to the cycle, as well as
    increasing your leverage. It may help you straighten out.

    I highly doubt the side-to-side angle of your seat has anything to do
    with this. A crooked seat is more likely to just make you sore on one
    side more than the other. But let us know if it works!

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  12. why does it matter??
    and this happens to me after I do spins, but only then and all I have
    to do to fix it is hop-180 out of it or spin 180 out of it

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    skianduniaddict said:

    im to hard core to use my elbows i either use my head or the mouse
    swungs as a whip

    yeah buddy thats right ... uni 4 christ 🙂
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  13. I 'lead' with my right shoulder. I find it especially annoying when I'm
    riding on the prom - which slopes pretty badly towards the sea but is
    essentially smooth concrete. It's not so bad on the pavement which
    hasn't got so much of a slope and is extremely bumpy.

    Cathy

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  14. cathwood said:

    I 'lead' with my right shoulder. I find it especially annoying when I'm
    riding on the prom - which slopes pretty badly towards the sea but is
    essentially smooth concrete. It's not so bad on the pavement which
    hasn't got so much of a slope and is extremely bumpy.

    Cathy

    If you ride in the other direction, do you still lead with your right
    shoulder? Does the direction of slope (left or right) determine which
    shoulder you lead with?

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  15. Wheel Rider said:

    If you ride in the other direction, do you still lead with your right
    shoulder? Does the direction of slope (left or right) determine which
    shoulder you lead with?

    I usually ride in the same direction because that way the wind is
    behind me. It is a fierce wind along the Prestatyn prom. However, if
    memory serves, going in the other direction I don't lead with either
    shoulder. I never lead with my left shoulder. Another thing that
    happens at the leaning times is that my right knee (which is quiet fat)
    gets rubbed by the tyre. So I must be slightly twisted.

    Interestingly (or at least I think so), when I rode 12 miles (which is
    my longest ride so far but hopefully not for long) along a slightly
    bumpy offroad track with Zippy, I didn't twist at all. Right at the
    end, when I was quite tired, my shoulder did lead a little bit, but not
    much. I was wearing shorts and my knee did not get rubbed by the tyre
    at all. On this ride I was making a concious effort not to twist
    because my shoulders sometimes get tense and ache when this happens. I
    didn't want 12 miles worth of aching shoulders. But I think the biggest
    factor was that there was no slope.

    Cathy

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  16. loosejello said:


    I've found this to be right. When I upped the pressure on my Coker
    tire, this happened, and I eventually just got used to it and it went
    away.

    When I first got my current muni, I had a consistent pulling-to-the-left
    problem. In my case adjusting the tire pressure helped a lot. Another
    thing I did as a diagnostic measure was to spin the saddle around the
    other way and ride for a few minutes "backwards" to see if that helped.
    In my case it did, so I then unmounted my Duro tire and mounted it the
    other way around, so I'm riding the tire "backwards." These changes
    fixed 90% of the pull, but it it is still noticable on certain types of
    terrain, at certain times. It has stopped bothering me greatly though.

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  17. I used to lead with one shoulder--I don't remember which one. Learn to
    ride holding the saddle handle with one hand. Then do the same with
    the other hand. And finally learn to ride while holding on with both
    hands. My upper body is in three different positions for each of
    those, so I've learned to lead with either shoulder, neither, or
    somewhere in between. It's very useful for muni.

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