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  1. im planning on doing a tour of wales with a mate, going and visiting every county. problem is im gonna need the OS maps and there gonna cost loads, just wondering if anyone knows of say where i could download them in picture format.

    also for anyone who has done this sort of thing before any advice on roads i should definately not take and those that would be good to take.
    do you rekon it'd be possible to avoid all them hills and still go to every county?

    oh and whats the crossing like to get to anglesey - is there a bridge or is it a boat job?

    also any advice about doing a long trip like this would be very welcomed.

    thanx

    p.s. i wont be doing any off roading just so you know not to reccomend those routes

    thanx agen

  2. Don't know about downloadable maps, I have a OS Map on CD which is useful for planning routes and checking distances. Mine is an old edition and cost me less than a tenner on eBay. New ones cost abot £20 I think. I also have a 4 or five miles to the inch OS map that covers all of Wales and shows all roads down to white unclassified ones, surely one map is not too expensive for a tour.

  3. Forgot to mention there are two bridges to Anglesey, one is certainly ridable, the northern most one. I think this is known as the Menai Brdige and the other the Britannia Bridge.

  4. Maps - Not sure that you would need such detailed maps as that.

    Hills - You can't avoid hills in Wales!

    Anglesey - yes there is a road bridge.

    cycling.visitwales.comcycling.visitwales.com

    Try Google > wales cycling

    Should bring up loads of info. Have just done - loads of stuff.

    Don't forget your local library - loads of maps and info - if you know where to look - and its free!

  5. In message <[email hidden]>, dailuggs <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    im planning on doing a tour of wales with a mate, going and visiting every county.

    sounds good.

    Quoted message said:

    problem is im gonna need the OS maps and there gonna cost loads, just wondering if anyone knows of
    say where i could download them in picture format.


    Presumably you mean the Landranger 1:50,000 maps? While I tend to use these for touring, I am very
    much a root about in the nooks and crannies type of tourer.

    However, you might find that the 1:250000 scale maps give you enough info. They include pretty much
    all of the roads, (a few minor ones are missing here and there) The main thing you miss is much
    detail on the terrain. The OS 1:25000 mapping gives shading and some contours, but gives little info
    really about the steepness of hills.

    You can buy specific OS maps for this, but the cheapest source for this are the road atlases, just
    tear out the relevant pages. Many makes don't include any relief info at all, but the OS ones do.

    You can download mapping from the OS:

    <http://www.ordsvy.gov.uk/>

    Folllow the links for the 'Gett-a-map' section.

    You can also access maps online at:

    <http://www.streetmap.co.uk/> <http://www.multimap.com/>

    However, these all present you with a pretty small mapped area, to view and print enough for a tour
    like this would be somewhat time consuming (and cost a few quid in ink as well I guess). There were
    some tools available to make the [roces easier, but soem at least have been removed from the web,
    there may be other things out there (uk.rec.walking is a good source of info on mapping
    availability)

    Quoted message said:

    also for anyone who has done this sort of thing before any advice on roads i should definately not
    take and those that would be good to take. do you rekon it'd be possible to avoid all them hills
    and still go to every county?


    Dunno about 'all them hills', Wales has plenty but if you stuck to the west and North coasts and the
    English/Wales border area you would miss the biggest hills. However, you would miss some great
    riding by doing that. One of the good bits of Wales is the hills :-) If I was to be planning such a
    tour I would be looking at the map and thinking that's looks nice and hilly that looks like soem
    good riding......

    also, touching on the point about roads, the main roads tend to follow the flatter terrain, the A55
    along the north coast is very busy and unpleasant in many places.

    Quoted message said:

    oh and whats the crossing like to get to anglesey - is there a bridge or is it a boat job?


    There are two bridges, both near each other the older one near Menai Bridge itself is probably a
    better option for a bike than the one that carries the A5.

    Quoted message said:

    also any advice about doing a long trip like this would be very welcomed.


    What sort of bike will you be using? Will you be 'credit card touring', hostelling, camping ? How
    used are you to the sorts of distances involved? Have you done much touring before? How long are you
    thinking of taking?

    If you don't do much in the way of longer rides (by this I mean say over 30 miles) then I would get
    out and try to get your body used to the sort of thing involved. It doesn't need to be anything
    fancy, but a few day rides of the sort of length you envisage to get you into the swing of things.
    Maybe the odd weekend as well.

    Once on the tour, give yourself a few days to settle into things and give yourself the odd rest day
    - it gives your body a break and if plans go awry you have scope to catch up.

    --
    Chris French, Leeds

  6. dailuggs said:

    im planning on doing a tour of wales with a mate, going and visiting every county. problem is im
    gonna need the OS maps and there gonna cost loads, just wondering if anyone knows of say where i
    could download them in picture format.

    also for anyone who has done this sort of thing before any advice on roads i should definately not
    take and those that would be good to take. do you rekon it'd be possible to avoid all them hills
    and still go to every county?

    oh and whats the crossing like to get to anglesey - is there a bridge or is it a boat job?

    also any advice about doing a long trip like this would be very welcomed.

    thanx

    p.s. i wont be doing any off roading just so you know not to reccomend those routes

    thanx agen

    Quoted message said:

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    Posted via cyclingforums.com cyclingforums.comcyclingforums.com

    multimap.com or streetmap.co.uk The latter has each map square as a separate .gif, but with patience
    and an art programme you can build up a full map. This depends how much you value your time - try
    getting a map from the library, it's quicker. Or how about tourist information?

    --

    Martin Bulmer "Mixless Foot Persuasion"

  7. In article <[email hidden]>, usenet- [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    oh and whats the crossing like to get to anglesey - is there a bridge or is it a boat job?

    [see elsewhere for bridge stuff]

    Anglesey has four well-signed short cycle routes. They form a sort of four-leaf clover shape and so
    can be easily combined for a longer ride. They are named after birds and I think there is a website
    with maps.

    Look out for the low flying jets, there's an RAF base there where they practice take-off and landing
    so it can get a bit weird.

    Colin

  8. "dailuggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    im planning on doing a tour of wales with a mate, going and visiting every county. problem is im
    gonna need the OS maps and there gonna cost loads, just wondering if anyone knows of say where i
    could download them in picture format.

    One OS map covers Wales & West Midlands at a scale of 1:250,000 which is ideal for road cycling.

    Quoted message said:

    also for anyone who has done this sort of thing before any advice on roads i should definately not
    take and those that would be good to take.

    There are some quite flat routes up the east side - Monmouth, Hay, Builth, Llandridnod, Welshpool,
    Oswestry. The North coast A road is flat but very busy and there's a section near Conwy where cycles
    are not allowed. The Abergavenny - Cardigan area is rather hilly.

    Quoted message said:


    oh and whats the crossing like to get to anglesey - is there a bridge or is it a boat job?

    There are two bridges near Bangor. Avoid the main road across Anglesey to Holyhead as it is
    very busy.

    Mark Burch

  9. "dailuggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    im planning on doing a tour of wales with a mate, going and visiting every county. problem is im
    gonna need the OS maps and there gonna cost loads, just wondering if anyone knows of say where i
    could download them in picture format.

    also for anyone who has done this sort of thing before any advice on roads i should definately not
    take and those that would be good to take. do you rekon it'd be possible to avoid all them hills
    and still go to every county?

    oh and whats the crossing like to get to anglesey - is there a bridge or is it a boat job?

    also any advice about doing a long trip like this would be very welcomed.

    streetmap.co.uk gives little bits. Selecting 'Big Map' and then 'Printer Friendly' options allows
    you to copy a few squares at a time. OK for a short walk but laborious (and breaking copyright) for
    much more.

  10. cheers for the advice guys

    "What sort of bike will you be using? Will you be 'credit card touring', hostelling, camping ? How
    used are you to the sorts of distances involved? Have you done much touring before? How long are you thinking of taking?"

    im using a hybrid bike with look pedals, with a couple of panniers and a smallish backpack aswell, aswell as a saddle bag for the bike maintenance stuff.
    well be camping but probably not just in a farmers field coz i like the facilities like a toilet at proper camp sites, unpleasent experience recently doing my DoE gold expedition (hiking not cycling unfortunately), wont go into details but it was leaves and a hole!
    im fairly used to doing decent distances - i do a minimum of 100 miles a week and now that the kids are back in school and the roads are quiter ill be doing 200
    ill be doing the tour over 5 days hopefully- so quite a bit of riding, i rekon itl be about 270 miles so ill do 60 miles for 4 days and half a half day, i average about 11 mph on really hilly areas and 15+ on slightly hilly terrain- no flat round me and a couple of 25% hils aswell!

    i think ill be doing the tour in early novemember but may go in late october if theres a few days of sun.

    the main thing im concerned about is keeping enough water in me but i got puri tabs so i should be ok there if im on the campsites

    another concern is what to do with the bike when im camping- i cant really leave it outside so im gonna be relying on the campsite owners and there sheds!- or should i get some sort of cover and just leave them with the tent?

    last little question for you guys- ill be starting in carmarthenshire (south wales and slightly west) so do you reckon i should head east then north and back round, or go north straight away?

  11. In message <[email hidden]>, dailuggs <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    cheers for the advice guys

    "What sort of bike will you be using? Will you be 'credit card touring', hostelling, camping ? How
    used are you to the sorts of distances involved? Have you done much touring before? How long are
    you thinking of taking?"

    im using a hybrid bike with look pedals, with a couple of panniers and a smallish backpack aswell,
    aswell as a saddle bag for the bike maintenance stuff. well be camping

    I'd dump the backpack (or strap it to the bike) it's much more comfortable to have it on the bike..
    Have you tried getting all the camping gear in the panniers/on the bike? Depending on how light you
    travel and the bulk of your kit you might find it a bit of squeeze. I normally use for panniers when
    cycle camping, though they aren't all full unless I've stocked up on lots of food and goodies.
    Having some of the weight on the front makes for better handling as well. I guess there will be two
    of you to split the camping kit.

    A handlebar bag is handy, you can keep your wallet, camera, munchies, maps etc in there. handy
    when on the road and when you stop to go in the cafe, you can take all the valuable stuff with
    you easily.

    Quoted message said:

    im fairly used to doing decent distances - i do a minimum of 100 miles a week and now that the kids
    are back in school and the roads are quiter ill be doing 200 ill be doing the tour over 5 days
    hopefully- so quite a bit of riding, i rekon itl be about 270 miles so ill do 60 miles for 4 days
    and half a half day,

    Should be ok then by the sound of it.

    Quoted message said:

    i think ill be doing the tour in early novemember but may go in late october if theres a few
    days of sun.


    Can be a nice time to tour, go prepared for cold weather though :-). Don't forget a lot of campsites
    might be closed. I assume from your mention of DOE etc. that you are used to camping in the cold?

    Quoted message said:

    another concern is what to do with the bike when im camping- i cant really leave it outside so im
    gonna be relying on the campsite owners and there sheds!- or should i get some sort of cover and
    just leave them with the tent?


    Why can't you leave it outside? That's what I do, and that's what most other people I see camping
    do. I've never found security on a campsite a problem - the place is full of highly secure
    tents.....:-)

    If I can I'll lock it up to a fence posts or some such, but if not I don't worry about it too much.

    You could cover it up with a plastic sheet I guess, but that's something else to carry around. A bit
    of rain won't hurt it. I usually cover up the saddle - a plastic bag will do..

    Quoted message said:

    last little question for you guys- ill be starting in carmarthenshire (south wales and slightly
    west) so do you reckon i should head east then north and back round, or go north straight away?

    Not much in it really. The prevailing wind would tend to be from the SW, so going anti-clockwise you
    might end up with a good headwind coming back down the West coast. But I like to arrange tours so
    that if relevant the better scenery comes later on in the tour, so I would look at the map and
    decide which bits i wanted to keep until later.
    --
    Chris French, Leeds

  12. "Mark Burch" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    There are some quite flat routes up the east side - Monmouth, Hay, Builth, Llandridnod, Welshpool,
    Oswestry.

    That'll be Llandrindod, thank you. The great thing about cycling in Powys is that there are loads of
    quite gentle routes that wind their ways up, for example, the valleys of the Wye (A470), the Irfon
    and the Ithon (both A483) punctuated by killer but mercifully short climbs of which, I suppose, the
    Devil's Staircase above Abergwesyn is the most famous. This is especially true if you avoid the
    trunk roads and take the B and unclassified alternatives.

    --
    Rob

    Please keep conversations in the newsgroup so that all may contribute and benefit.

  13. Martin Bulmer said:

    multimap.com or streetmap.co.uk The latter has each map square as a separate .gif, but with
    patience and an art programme you can build up a full map. This depends how much you value your
    time - try getting a map from the library, it's quicker. Or how about tourist information?

    getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.ukframes.htm has the advantage that it also has the 1:25k maps
    online, and the latest 1:50k that show a lot more cycle routes than the older ones available
    elsewhere online. OTOH it has the disadvantage that it is slow and doesn't actually work very
    well, because it tries to use JavaShit for purposes it was never designed for, and then cocks them
    up further.

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