Le Mond Arrivee Ti

Quoted message said:

I have narrowed my search for a new bike down to two.\ The Le Mond Arrivee Ti or the Trek 5200 OCV
carbon I would welcome opinions on which I should buy. I am having a tough time making up my mine

Bob: The two bikes ride very differently, partly due to frame geometries, partly materials & how
they're used. Have you ridden each (making sure they were set up the same, with identical seat
heights, saddle setback and seat-to-bar relationship)?

You can't go wrong with either bike... if one of them has something about it that makes you want to
ride it more, even if it's appearance, then that's probably the way to go. But asking here isn't
going to be much help, since we're talking about stuff that's personal to you, and your choices
might be based on a different criteria than someone else's.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.comOpen ↗

bob said:

I have narrowed my search for a new bike down to two.\ The Le Mond Arrivee Ti or the Trek 5200 OCV
carbon I would welcome opinions on which I should buy. I am having a tough time making up my mine

Fer godz sake. what difference do you think it makes? why do you want someone else to make up
your mind? buy the one you want. then spend your time riding the gd thing, not worrying about
what to buy.

hi my name is greg. I might have some positive imput for you. depending on what your used to riding.
I've been riding for a while, and only on PEUGEOTS. Can you imagine that. All this time I had been
on bicycles that were not fitted to me personally. First Peugeot in '72 then '75 and in '85. Then 3
months ago I got a LEMOND Alp D'Huez and am very happy. My first ride of 46 miles was very
comfortable and I was impressed. Handling is very stable. I was riding down hill about 40Mph and got
stuck in a crack (about 20 feet long 3/4 to 1 inch deep) in the rode and the bike rode right through
it. I think that either bike is going to suit your needs. You have to make the decision. There was
advice on OLN network the other day about bike fit. I think it was Chris Carmichael. And he stated
that "if the bike does not fit don't get on it" He said that when you are streached out on the bike
you should see the front axel lined up with the handle bar and same when your in the drops. I
checked this out on my new Lemond and it was true. Then rode my Peugeot and it is not lined up
correctly. So most importantly I'd say that bike fit is your most important consideration. Another
thing that I noticed right away when I rode the Lemond was that the stretched out upper body did
allow me to breath a lot more air than my Peugeot. Lemondbikes.com stresses the ability to breath
more deeply on their geometry, I think this is very important. I like the look of the Le Mond
Arrivee. It is an awesome yellow with red highlights. That is one very beautiful bicycle. GEOMETRY:
Lemond geometry side by side with the Trek is an odd - even mis match. So how can you compare the
two. If you pull up the gometry for trek and lemond you can see that the 61 CM lemond has a longer
top tube than the trek 62 CM. This being that the Lemond having a longer top tube will be a more
layed out riding position with better ability to breath. The head angle and fork rake is the same so
both bikes have similar steering characteristics and handling. Beyond all this I can do you a favor.
I was looking through trekbikes.com and found something interesting. In their website is a comment
from the owner of ChainReaction Bikes. He rides OCLV. I bought my bike from ChainReaction bikes so
you could ask him. Seems to be an honest man. on Trekbikes he says,

"It's the closest you'll ever come to the feeling of twisting the throttle of a big-engine
motorcycle on a bicycle."

Mike Jacoubowsky Trek Dealer -- OCLV Owner [email hidden]

good luck Greg from san mateo california

bob' from said:

I have narrowed my search for a new bike down to two.\ The Le Mond Arrivee Ti or the Trek 5200 OCV
carbon I would welcome opinions on which I should buy. I am having a tough time making up my mine

Get both.

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11:39:22 PM 10 June 2003

Quoted message said:

Fer godz sake. what difference do you think it makes? why do you want someone else to make up
your mind? buy the one you want. then spend your time riding the gd thing, not worrying about
what to buy.

Can we put this one in the FAQ, it's the best reply so far on the "which one should i buy" question.

"Jeff Brody" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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bob said:

I have narrowed my search for a new bike down to two.\ The Le Mond Arrivee Ti or the Trek 5200
OCV carbon I would welcome opinions on which I should buy. I am having a tough time making up
my mine

Fer godz sake. what difference do you think it makes? why do you want someone else to make up
your mind? buy the one you want. then spend your time riding the gd thing, not worrying about
what to buy.

Send me a check! I will be very greatful!

"Kevan Smith" <[email hidden]/\/\> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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bob' from said:

I have narrowed my search for a new bike down to two.\ The Le Mond Arrivee Ti or the Trek 5200
OCV carbon I would welcome opinions on which I should buy. I am having a tough time making up
my mine

Get both.

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11:39:22 PM 10 June 2003

Thanks Greg for the "intelligent comment" One of the few i have read

"NEPTUNIUM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

hi my name is greg. I might have some positive imput for you. depending on what your used to
riding. I've been riding for a while, and

only

Quoted message said:

on PEUGEOTS. Can you imagine that. All this time I had been on bicycles

that

Quoted message said:

were not fitted to me personally. First Peugeot in '72 then '75 and in

'85.

Quoted message said:

Then 3 months ago I got a LEMOND Alp D'Huez and am very happy. My first

ride of

Quoted message said:

46 miles was very comfortable and I was impressed. Handling is very stable. I was riding down hill
about 40Mph and got stuck

in a

Quoted message said:

crack (about 20 feet long 3/4 to 1 inch deep) in the rode and the bike

rode

Quoted message said:

right through it. I think that either bike is going to suit your needs. You have to make the
decision. There was advice on OLN network the other day about bike fit. I

think

Quoted message said:

it was Chris Carmichael. And he stated that "if the bike does not fit

don't get

Quoted message said:

on it" He said that when you are streached out on the bike you should see the

front

Quoted message said:

axel lined up with the handle bar and same when your in the drops. I

checked

Quoted message said:

this out on my new Lemond and it was true. Then rode my Peugeot and it is

not

Quoted message said:

lined up correctly. So most importantly I'd say that bike fit is your most important
consideration. Another thing that I noticed right away when I

rode

Quoted message said:

the Lemond was that the stretched out upper body did allow me to breath a

lot

Quoted message said:

more air than my Peugeot. Lemondbikes.com stresses the ability to breath

more

Quoted message said:

deeply on their geometry, I think this is very important. I like the look of the Le Mond Arrivee.
It is an awesome yellow with red highlights. That is one very beautiful bicycle. GEOMETRY: Lemond
geometry side by side with the Trek is an odd - even mis match. So

how

Quoted message said:

can you compare the two. If you pull up the gometry for trek and lemond you can see that the 61 CM
lemond has a longer top tube than the trek 62 CM. This being that the

Lemond

Quoted message said:

having a longer top tube will be a more layed out riding position with

better

Quoted message said:

ability to breath. The head angle and fork rake is the same so both bikes have similar

steering

Quoted message said:

characteristics and handling. Beyond all this I can do you a favor. I was looking through
trekbikes.com

and

Quoted message said:

found something interesting. In their website is a comment from the owner of ChainReaction
Bikes. He

rides

Quoted message said:

OCLV. I bought my bike from ChainReaction bikes so you could ask him.

Seems to

Quoted message said:

be an honest man. on Trekbikes he says,

"It's the closest you'll ever come to the feeling of twisting the throttle

of a

Quoted message said:

big-engine motorcycle on a bicycle."

Mike Jacoubowsky Trek Dealer -- OCLV Owner [email hidden]

good luck Greg from san mateo california

bob' from said:

Send me a check! I will be very greatful!

Vote for me for President. My campaign promise is "A LiteSpeed For Every Citizen!"

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"Kevan Smith" <[email hidden]/\/\> wrote in message
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bob' from said:

I have narrowed my search for a new bike down to two.\ The Le Mond Arrivee Ti or the Trek 5200
OCV carbon I would welcome opinions on which I should buy. I am having a tough time making up
my mine

Get both.

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11:39:22 PM 10 June 2003

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8:35:32 PM 11 June 2003

On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:35:47 -0500, Kevan Smith <[email hidden]/\/\> from Pandimensional

Orgasmatronics said:

Vote for me for President. My campaign promise is "A LiteSpeed For Every Citizen!"

I should mention that Litespeed here is used rhetorically only. If you want a Trek, or a Lemond,
or any other bike, that counts, too. No price limit! And if you want one of Mark's Ti bikes, you
can get TWO!

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8:42:32 PM 11 June 2003

I have both: a 2000 Lemond Zurich (the last of the quill stem bikes) and a year-old Peugeot. Both
are steel and have Ultegra components.

The Lemond is a 59 (recommended by the ergo charts and bike pros as the size bike for my size. In
fact, they're supposed to fit, right out of the box.

The Peugeot is a 63. The two bike's angles are very similar--only scant inches separate them.
However, while Lemond bikes are very nice, and if they fit there's probably nothing better, for me,
the Peugeot is the greatest.

My biggest problem with the Lemond has been that I cannot get my knees behind the pedal spindles. I
hear there's a new seat post that may help me out, but then I'd need a longer and a shorter quill
stem (not easy to find).

The Peugeot just fits. You have to try'm out and whatever the ergo charts and others may say can
sometimes be of little or no help.

"bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Thanks Greg for the "intelligent comment" One of the few i have read

"NEPTUNIUM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

hi my name is greg. I might have some positive imput for you. depending on what your used to
riding. I've been riding for a while, and

only

Quoted message said:

on PEUGEOTS. Can you imagine that. All this time I had been on bicycles

that

Quoted message said:

were not fitted to me personally. First Peugeot in '72 then '75 and in

'85.

Quoted message said:

Then 3 months ago I got a LEMOND Alp D'Huez and am very happy. My first

ride of

Quoted message said:

46 miles was very comfortable and I was impressed. Handling is very stable. I was riding down
hill about 40Mph and got

stuck

Quoted message said:

in a

Quoted message said:

crack (about 20 feet long 3/4 to 1 inch deep) in the rode and the bike

rode

Quoted message said:

right through it. I think that either bike is going to suit your needs. You have to make

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

decision. There was advice on OLN network the other day about bike fit.

I

Quoted message said:

think

Quoted message said:

it was Chris Carmichael. And he stated that "if the bike does not fit

don't get

Quoted message said:

on it" He said that when you are streached out on the bike you should see the

front

Quoted message said:

axel lined up with the handle bar and same when your in the drops. I

checked

Quoted message said:

this out on my new Lemond and it was true. Then rode my Peugeot and it

is

Quoted message said:

not

Quoted message said:

lined up correctly. So most importantly I'd say that bike fit is your

most

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

important consideration. Another thing that I noticed right away when I

rode

Quoted message said:

the Lemond was that the stretched out upper body did allow me to breath

a

Quoted message said:

lot

Quoted message said:

more air than my Peugeot. Lemondbikes.com stresses the ability to breath

more

Quoted message said:

deeply on their geometry, I think this is very important. I like the look of the Le Mond
Arrivee. It is an awesome yellow with red highlights. That is one very beautiful bicycle.
GEOMETRY: Lemond geometry side by side with the Trek is an odd - even mis match.

So

Quoted message said:

how

Quoted message said:

can you compare the two. If you pull up the gometry for trek and lemond you can see that the 61

CM

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

lemond has a longer top tube than the trek 62 CM. This being that the

Lemond

Quoted message said:

having a longer top tube will be a more layed out riding position with

better

Quoted message said:

ability to breath. The head angle and fork rake is the same so both bikes have similar

steering

Quoted message said:

characteristics and handling. Beyond all this I can do you a favor. I was looking through

trekbikes.com

Quoted message said:

and

Quoted message said:

found something interesting. In their website is a comment from the owner of ChainReaction
Bikes. He

rides

Quoted message said:

OCLV. I bought my bike from ChainReaction bikes so you could ask him.

Seems to

Quoted message said:

be an honest man. on Trekbikes he says,

"It's the closest you'll ever come to the feeling of twisting the

throttle

Quoted message said:

of a

Quoted message said:

big-engine motorcycle on a bicycle."

Mike Jacoubowsky Trek Dealer -- OCLV Owner [email hidden]

good luck Greg from san mateo california

Kevan Smith /\/\ said:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:35:47 -0500, Kevan Smith <[email hidden]/\/\> from Pandimensional

Orgasmatronics said:

Vote for me for President. My campaign promise is "A LiteSpeed For Every Citizen!"

I should mention that Litespeed here is used rhetorically only. If you want a Trek, or a Lemond,
or any other bike, that counts, too. No price limit! And if you want one of Mark's Ti bikes, you
can get TWO!

Whew... you JUST about lost my vote there for a minute, dude.

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of the $695 ti frame

Mark Hickey from Habanero Cycles said:

Kevan Smith /\/\ said:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:35:47 -0500, Kevan Smith <[email hidden]/\/\> from Pandimensional

Orgasmatronics said:

Vote for me for President. My campaign promise is "A LiteSpeed For Every Citizen!"

I should mention that Litespeed here is used rhetorically only. If you want a Trek, or a Lemond,
or any other bike, that counts, too. No price limit! And if you want one of Mark's Ti bikes, you
can get TWO!

Whew... you JUST about lost my vote there for a minute, dude.

I can't have that, since you're going to be Secretary of the Treasury!

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