LC and creatine

Magic potions are not the answer to your problems.

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"Mark McArthey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Does anyone know the mechanism through which creatine works? I was
considering taking some to aid my workouts. I'm currently doing a sort of
PSMF and TKD at the same time. I seem to be sore for a longer period of
time compare to when I wasn't doing LC and am trying to figure out the
right quantity of carbs to aid in replenishment. Anyway, would creatine
uptake properly with or is this going to be worthless? Is it going to
register as a sugar, or something else?
Thanks for any tips,
Mark

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Mark McArthey said:

Does anyone know the mechanism through which creatine works? I was
considering taking some to aid my workouts. I'm currently doing a

sort of

Quoted message said:

PSMF and TKD at the same time. I seem to be sore for a longer period

of

Quoted message said:

time compare to when I wasn't doing LC and am trying to figure out

the right

Quoted message said:

quantity of carbs to aid in replenishment. Anyway, would creatine

uptake

Quoted message said:

properly with or is this going to be worthless? Is it going to

register as

Quoted message said:

a sugar, or something else?
Thanks for any tips,
Mark

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http://www.delorie.com/health/asdlc/

GIYF:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14636102
http://www.reactome.org/cgi-bin/eventbrowser?DB=gk_current&ID=71288&
http://rheumatology.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/full/39/3/293
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11581550
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/161/11/1455

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Magic potions are not the answer to your problems.

So the answer to my problem is an comment that does nothing to answer my
question? Is PSMF and TKD (which I stated I'm already doing) the answer to
my "problem"?

Mark

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"warehouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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GIYF:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14636102
http://www.reactome.org/cgi-bin/eventbrowser?DB=gk_current&ID=71288&
http://rheumatology.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/full/39/3/293
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11581550
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/161/11/1455

Thanks for the links. I understand what creatine is, but I was wondering
about its use specifically on an LC diet. I was hoping someone had some
experience with using it while in ketosis and whether they found it useful.
Most searches relate to its uses and research on its effectiveness.
Mark

Mark McArthey said:

"warehouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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GIYF:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14636102

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.reactome.org/cgi-bin/eventbrowser?DB=gk_current&ID=71288&
http://rheumatology.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/full/39/3/293

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11581550

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/161/11/1455

Thanks for the links. I understand what creatine is, but I was
wondering
about its use specifically on an LC diet. I was hoping someone had
some
experience with using it while in ketosis and whether they found it
useful.
Most searches relate to its uses and research on its effectiveness.
Mark

Generally, some people find creative useful while others don't, even if you
factor out diet. Creatine tends to cause your muscles to draw in water,
whereas LC tends to force the water out. In that sense, creatine and LC work
against one another. Also, if you're eating goodly portions of red meat
while on LC, you may not really need creatine. Your body, your science
experiment (i.e., try it and see if it works for you).

But I do have to agree with JC a bit here. You're doing a PSMF and mixing
that with a TKD and now you're wanting to add creatine. Frankly, it does
seem like you're looking for magic pills.

You can skip the PSMF and just do LC with a higher carb level to support
your workouts. Then count calories to aid with weight loss, while
maintaining about a 500 kcal/day deficit to lose 1 lbs a week.

Creatine and it's derivatives can be obtained by eating enough red meat and
other proteins, so on a low carb diet it's doubtful that it will really help
you. Also, since you are low carbing, you are depleting the water levels in
your muscles which the opposite of what excess creatine tries to accomplish.
The use of creatine supplementation is best when one is trying to bulk up
and when one is taking in plenty of carbs and when one may not be taking in
enough protein to accomplish what extra creatine supplementation may
provide.

TKD may be the answer to your problem, or may not be the answer. That
remains to be seen.

Two definite answers to your problems are patience and diligence.

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Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

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"Mark McArthey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Magic potions are not the answer to your problems.

So the answer to my problem is an comment that does nothing to answer my
question? Is PSMF and TKD (which I stated I'm already doing) the answer
to my "problem"?

Mark

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260/234/200 since: 18/01/2005 month-start: 235 monthly-goal: 12
http://www.delorie.com/health/asdlc/

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Creatine and it's derivatives can be obtained by eating enough red meat
and other proteins, so on a low carb diet it's doubtful that it will
really help you. Also, since you are low carbing, you are depleting the
water levels in your muscles which the opposite of what excess creatine
tries to accomplish. The use of creatine supplementation is best when one
is trying to bulk up and when one is taking in plenty of carbs and when
one may not be taking in enough protein to accomplish what extra creatine
supplementation may provide.

Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. I didn't realize that
creatine wasn't going to be as useful on a lowered carb diet, which was the
reason for my initial question.

Mark

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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But I do have to agree with JC a bit here. You're doing a PSMF and mixing
that with a TKD and now you're wanting to add creatine. Frankly, it does
seem like you're looking for magic pills.

You can skip the PSMF and just do LC with a higher carb level to support
your workouts. Then count calories to aid with weight loss, while
maintaining about a 500 kcal/day deficit to lose 1 lbs a week.

The reason for the extra protein is to support a 4-day/wk workout program
(not unusual, I know). I was just having a hard time cutting calories and
getting enough protein through real foods. I supplement with whey protein
drinks (and enjoy them) but it's hard to eat all lean meats (pork, chicken,
etc) all the time so I tend to get the "excess" calories through all the
other things I eat.. cheeses, eggs, etc. I employ the TKD portion of it
just to get some extra carbs for energy during the workout. I'm still
tweaking the amount to take, but I feel it helps me maintain my stamina. I
don't "hit the wall" when lifting as quickly. I use the acronyms because
people are familiar with it, but I wouldn't call this a "magic pill". I
have modified some diets to suit my needs and was wondering if creatine
would provide extra benefit for getting a couple of extra reps. It seems
that, on an LC diet, it won't provide me much help. When I was strictly
lifting (and not dieting), I took creatine and I felt it worked but I wasn't
sure of bothering with it while LC'ing since I seem limited by other
factors. I certainly don't want anyone to think I'm looking for shortcuts
because I am, as I'm sure everyone is, working hard on this new way of life.
I've always enjoyed lifting and don't like the limited feeling I have on LC.
Once I hit my target weight I'll most likely modify my diet to gear it more
towards weightlifting again. For the time being I'm sticking with mostly
anaerobic lifting, and only aerobics to warm up.
As you said, I'm my own best science experiment and that's what I'm doing.
Thanks for the response,
Mark

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260/234/200 since: 18/01/2005 month-start: 235 monthly-goal: 12
http://www.delorie.com/health/asdlc/

Mark McArthey said:

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

But I do have to agree with JC a bit here. You're doing a PSMF and
mixing that with a TKD and now you're wanting to add creatine.
Frankly, it does seem like you're looking for magic pills.

You can skip the PSMF and just do LC with a higher carb level to
support your workouts. Then count calories to aid with weight loss,
while maintaining about a 500 kcal/day deficit to lose 1 lbs a week.

The reason for the extra protein is to support a 4-day/wk workout
program (not unusual, I know). I was just having a hard time cutting
calories and getting enough protein through real foods. I supplement
with whey protein drinks (and enjoy them) but it's hard to eat all
lean meats (pork, chicken, etc) all the time so I tend to get the
"excess" calories through all the other things I eat.. cheeses, eggs,
etc. I employ the TKD portion of it just to get some extra carbs for
energy during the workout. I'm still tweaking the amount to take,
but I feel it helps me maintain my stamina. I don't "hit the wall"
when lifting as quickly. I use the acronyms because people are
familiar with it, but I wouldn't call this a "magic pill". I have
modified some diets to suit my needs and was wondering if creatine
would provide extra benefit for getting a couple of extra reps. It
seems that, on an LC diet, it won't provide me much help. When I was
strictly lifting (and not dieting), I took creatine and I felt it
worked but I wasn't sure of bothering with it while LC'ing since I
seem limited by other factors. I certainly don't want anyone to
think I'm looking for shortcuts because I am, as I'm sure everyone
is, working hard on this new way of life. I've always enjoyed lifting
and don't like the limited feeling I have on LC. Once I hit my target
weight I'll most likely modify my diet to gear it more towards
weightlifting again. For the time being I'm sticking with mostly
anaerobic lifting, and only aerobics to warm up.
As you said, I'm my own best science experiment and that's what I'm
doing. Thanks for the response,
Mark

Now is a perfect time to train for strength, and not worry so much about
those last couple of reps. More sets, fewer reps, etc.

Good luck with it.