Law School Blues

Pyth said:

I'm in my second year of law school, and my riding has been reduced non-existent. I find enough
time to replace the air in my tires...I've even taken the racks off my car. My wife and I were avid
mtbrs, spending a small fortune over a couple of years on nothing but bike stuff. We raced in the
regional races and rode three times a week including the all-day Saturday ride. Now, I'm
pasty-white, my eyes have perpetual dark rings, my middle has developed a smushy layer of frosting
(how in the hell the wife manages to stay fit & trim, I'll never know), and my Rocky has collected
dust. I long for the switchy single-track days of old and those thigh-burning climbs that climax
with the incomparable feeling of conquest! Oh lord, what has become of me?

You sold out ;-)

But it could get worse. In 2 years you might be working 80 hours a week trying to make partner in
some big law firm, and you won't have time to do anything. After that, kids and family...

Ya gotta decide what's more important: making the big bucks or being in great shape. It's really a
feat to be able to do both, though there are plenty of examples, I suppose.

Not me, though. Suffice it to say that for an old fart lawyer, I'm in really good shape :-)

--dt

Pyth said:

Now, I'm pasty-white, my eyes have perpetual dark rings

There's this thing called coffee, ya know. 🙂

I'm currently a 1L student, who uses his bike... to get to school (1 mile each way).

-Tim

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Pyth said:

I'm in my second year of law school, and my riding has been reduced non-existent. I find enough
time to replace the air in my tires...I've even taken the racks off my car. My wife and I were
avid mtbrs, spending a small fortune over a couple of years on nothing but bike stuff. We raced
in the regional races and rode three times a week including the all-day Saturday ride. Now, I'm
pasty-white, my eyes have perpetual dark rings, my middle has developed a smushy layer of
frosting (how in the hell the wife manages to stay fit & trim, I'll never know), and my Rocky has
collected dust. I long for the switchy single-track days of old and those thigh-burning climbs
that climax with the incomparable feeling of conquest! Oh lord, what has become of me?

You sold out ;-)

But it could get worse. In 2 years you might be working 80 hours a week trying to make partner in
some big law firm, and you won't have time to do anything. After that, kids and family...

Or he could move to some mecca for mountainbiking, start up his own firm (maybe even taking
environmental cases against ol' MV - that'd keep him in business indefinitely), be incredibly
fortunate due to his excepting laywering skills and winning smile, make an obscene amount of money
within two years by being very clever, popular, and nice, and decide that he only has to work two
days a week to keep himself in the manner that he is accustom to, and he spends the rest of the week
mountainbiking. Then again; maybe not.
--
Westie

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Ya gotta decide what's more important: making the big bucks or being in great shape. It's really a
feat to be able to do both, though there are plenty of examples, I suppose.

Not me, though. Suffice it to say that for an old fart lawyer, I'm in really good shape :-)

--dt

The difference between a dead dog, and a dead lawyer in the road is:

The dog has skid marks in front of it.

TJ Are you SURE you want to be a lawyer?

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I'm in my second year of law school, and my riding has been reduced non-existent. I find enough
time to replace the air in my tires...I've even taken the racks off my car. My wife and I were
avid mtbrs, spending a small fortune over a couple of years on nothing but bike stuff. We raced in
the regional races and rode three times a week including the all-day Saturday ride. Now, I'm
pasty-white, my eyes have perpetual dark rings, my middle has developed a smushy layer of frosting
(how in the hell the wife manages to stay fit & trim, I'll never know), and my Rocky has collected
dust. I long for the switchy single-track days of old and those thigh-burning climbs that climax
with the incomparable feeling of conquest! Oh lord, what has become of me?

Pyth said:

I'm in my second year of law school, and my riding has been reduced non-existent.

Oh fvck, what the world needs is another fvckin lawyer who can't ride!

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(how in the hell the wife manages to stay fit & trim, I'll never know),

Has TBF been hangin' round?

Just a theory, one never knows.

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

TJ says:

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The difference between a dead dog, and a dead lawyer in the road is:

The dog has skid marks in front of it.

What do you call 50 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?

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A bloody good start!

Steve "nothing personal against lawyers, I just always liked that one....."

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TJ says:

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The difference between a dead dog, and a dead lawyer in the road is:

The dog has skid marks in front of it.

What do you call 50 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?

v

v

v

v

v

v

v

A bloody good start!

Steve "nothing personal against lawyers, I just always liked that

one....."

What do you call a lawyer with an I.Q. of 50? v v v v v v v v v v v Your Honor!

I like that one too.

TJ

Stephen Baker said:

Yeah - good one! There used to be a company called Nolo Press, who sold legal software (Write your
Own Will, etc.) years ago, who sent out a newsletter with a whole page of the latest lawyer jokes.
The software inhaled, but was worth buying just to get the newsletter. Wonder if they are still
around (too lazy to Google, don't need the s/w)

Because you're immortal?

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I'm in my second year of law school, and my riding has been reduced non-existent. I find enough
time to replace the air in my tires...I've even taken the racks off my car. My wife and I were
avid mtbrs, spending a small fortune over a couple of years on nothing but bike stuff. We raced in
the regional races and rode three times a week including the all-day Saturday ride. Now, I'm
pasty-white, my eyes have perpetual dark rings, my middle has developed a smushy layer of frosting
(how in the hell the wife manages to stay fit & trim, I'll never know), and my Rocky has collected
dust. I long for the switchy single-track days of old and those thigh-burning climbs that climax
with the incomparable feeling of conquest! Oh lord, what has become of me?

I feel your pain, friend. When I went to L.S., I had to suspend raquetball, karate, muay thai,
biking, running, you name it, it all went to last place. Felt like such a guilty luxury just to go
for a half hour run...

You know what they say: 1st year they scare you to death, 2nd year they work you to death, and 3rd
year they bore you to death.

I moved to Boise out of law school, got a cushy clerkship the first year, then into a firm with
fellow mtb'ers and cyclists/runners/kayakers, who all covered for each other when nature called.
Our office was on the river. When we weren't running during the lunch hour, we would grab inner
tubes and run a few miles up river in the blasting heat, then drop the tubes in for a float back to
the office.

For the last several yrs, I've been on my own, with a very flexible schedule and an understanding
staff. My boss is a lazy jerk, but hey. When the schedule's clear as the sky, and I start getting
growly in the office, I usually get shoved out the door to go riding, rather than sit here and make
more work for the secretaries.

Life is good. But you've gotta pay your dues. Hang in there, force yourself to do something! But be
careful about jumping for the brass ring of the big firms with their big salaries and their big
cities, if you want any free time to carve out a life or identity for yourself.

Remember, the most important things in life are not things, and that the road to hell is paved.

2 cents, from one who's btdt.

Paladin

I have 2 jobs, a wife,4 MTB,clean house,have Sundays and Wensdays off. And I still find time to
sleep and ride. You want cheese to go with that wine. Get off you lazy ass and find the time.

Fire up MTB 03

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The difference between a dead dog, and a dead lawyer in the road is:

The dog has skid marks in front of it.

TJ Are you SURE you want to be a lawyer?

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I'm in my second year of law school, and my riding has been reduced non-existent. I find enough
time to replace the air in my tires...I've even taken the racks off my car. My wife and I were
avid mtbrs, spending a small fortune over a couple of years on nothing but bike stuff. We raced
in the regional races and

rode

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three times a week including the all-day Saturday ride. Now, I'm pasty-white, my eyes have
perpetual dark rings, my middle has developed a smushy layer of frosting (how in the hell the
wife manages

to

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stay fit & trim, I'll never know), and my Rocky has collected dust. I long for the switchy
single-track days of old and those thigh-burning climbs that climax with the incomparable
feeling of conquest! Oh lord, what has become of me?

Oh sure. Everyone hates lawyers until the day they need one.

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You know what they say: 1st year they scare you to death, 2nd year they work you to death, and 3rd
year they bore you to death.

I feel it. I'm being worked to death so far this year. On top of it all, I tried out for and made
the Moot Court team. Now THEY expect me to work! Dammit all!

Quoted message said:

I moved to Boise out of law school, got a cushy clerkship the first year, then into a firm with
fellow mtb'ers and cyclists/runners/kayakers, who all covered for each other when nature called.
Our office was on the river. When we weren't running during the lunch hour, we would grab inner
tubes and run a few miles up river in the blasting heat, then drop the tubes in for a float back
to the office.

What a life. That's ideal. If only...

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For the last several yrs, I've been on my own, with a very flexible schedule and an understanding
staff. My boss is a lazy jerk, but hey. When the schedule's clear as the sky, and I start getting
growly in the office, I usually get shoved out the door to go riding, rather than sit here and
make more work for the secretaries.

Life is good. But you've gotta pay your dues. Hang in there, force yourself to do something! But
be careful about jumping for the brass ring of the big firms with their big salaries and their big
cities, if you want any free time to carve out a life or identity for yourself.

Remember, the most important things in life are not things, and that the road to hell is paved.

Unfortunately, I think the carriage-grade firms are my targets -- for now. I'd like the cash. My
wife (or should I say Pfizer) has been providing the funding for my education. I'd like to be
able to return the favor for awhile. Perhaps after the money piles up, I'll back-off and take it
easy again.

(Paladin) said:

Life is good. But you've gotta pay your dues. Hang in there, force yourself to do something! But be
careful about jumping for the brass ring of the big firms with their big salaries and their big
cities, if you want any free time to carve out a life or identity for yourself.

I second. I started out in San Francisco and that lasted about 3 years before I freaked out. Now I'm
in upstate NY and have been working for myself for about 25 years. Lawyer by profession; cyclist,
ski/snowboard instructor, speed skater, nature lover by preference. Salary lower, but quality of
life mo bettah.

You decide.

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Remember, the most important things in life are not things,

Second again.

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and that the road to hell is paved.

But that paved ride is worth it ;-) --dt

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TJ says:

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The difference between a dead dog, and a dead lawyer in the road is:

The dog has skid marks in front of it.

What do you call 50 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?

v

v

v

v

v

v

v

A bloody good start!

Steve "nothing personal against lawyers, I just always liked that

one....."

What do you call a lawyer with an I.Q. of 50? v v v v v v v v v v v Your Honor!

I like that one too.

TJ

Oooo. I don't know about the IQ thing. You haven't visited many top tier law schools lately. Perhaps
the greedy, "shyster" image has some factual, albeit shaky, foundation, but lawyers usually aren't
short in the IQ department.

Pyth said:

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The difference between a dead dog, and a dead lawyer in the road is:

The dog has skid marks in front of it.

TJ Are you SURE you want to be a lawyer?

Oh sure. Everyone hates lawyers until the day they need one.

taking it personally? If you are blonde we can tell blonde jokes instead...

1¢

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Pyth said:

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The difference between a dead dog, and a dead lawyer in the road is:

The dog has skid marks in front of it.

TJ Are you SURE you want to be a lawyer?

Oh sure. Everyone hates lawyers until the day they need one.

taking it personally? If you are blonde we can tell blonde jokes

instead...

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1¢

One better, I'm blonde and thinning. So, you can tell blonde/bald/lawyer jokes.

On 23 Apr 2003 09:21:34 -0700, [email hidden] (Paladin) wrote:

[snip lawyer in training]

[snip Paladin's utopian views on lawyers]

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2 cents, from one who's btdt.

Paladin

Damn, I guess I should feel bad for my previous post.

Peace, Bill

The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

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You know what they say: 1st year they scare you to death, 2nd year they work you to death, and
3rd year they bore you to death.

I feel it. I'm being worked to death so far this year. On top of it all, I tried out for and made
the Moot Court team. Now THEY expect me to work! Dammit all!

Quoted message said:

I moved to Boise out of law school, got a cushy clerkship the first year, then into a firm with
fellow mtb'ers and cyclists/runners/kayakers, who all covered for each other when nature called.
Our office was on the river. When we weren't running during the lunch hour, we would grab inner
tubes and run a few miles up river in the blasting heat, then drop the tubes in for a float back
to the office.

What a life. That's ideal. If only...

Quoted message said:

For the last several yrs, I've been on my own, with a very flexible schedule and an
understanding staff. My boss is a lazy jerk, but hey. When the schedule's clear as the sky, and
I start getting growly in the office, I usually get shoved out the door to go riding, rather
than sit here and make more work for the secretaries.

Life is good. But you've gotta pay your dues. Hang in there, force yourself to do something! But
be careful about jumping for the brass ring of the big firms with their big salaries and their
big cities, if you want any free time to carve out a life or identity for yourself.

Remember, the most important things in life are not things, and that the road to hell is paved.

Unfortunately, I think the carriage-grade firms are my targets -- for now. I'd like the cash. My
wife (or should I say Pfizer) has been providing the funding for my education. I'd like to be
able to return the favor for awhile. Perhaps after the money piles up, I'll back-off and take it
easy again.

Ahh, moot court, I remember it well. I was National Moot Court team captain, and the travel and
practice, etc., only adds to the "fun."

Well, I have friends in the so-called big firms of Boise (at least they work like slaves and have
tiny offices) and it is a huge deal for them to get out and ride before sunset, or do anything fun,
before 730pm, and then they feel guilty because their only contact with their wives and kids is by
cell phone and email.

The divorce rate at the big firms is worth looking into.

In my solo practice, I have one full-time person, + my wife part-time (somebody's gotta keep the
boss smiling), and I honestly believe I have it made, except for the typically lower salary. But
I've taken my fees in cars, furniture, baked goods, frozen salmon, tools, guns, even a good bike
from a race promoter.

But contact with real people with real problems is also very rewarding. I cut my teeth as a
gladiator in court for a few years for big companies, and the ego rush was great, victories
intoxicating, but you're just a hired gun. Hired, fired, doesn't matter.

Now my clients bring me cinnamon rolls and invite me to their cabins in the mountains. And
before you think that I "settled for this podunk lifestyle" know that I did *real well* in L.S.
and had lots of options. I just wanted to live in Boise. And that's been a berry berry gooood
decision for me.

"It was so cold in Boise last winter that I saw a lawyer walking down the street with his hands in
his *own* pockets." Just some things to think about. If you go the big lawyer warehouse route, just
don't forget who you really are. Let them pay you, train you, then cut you loose!

Paladin there I go again meddling and rambling...

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Oooo. I don't know about the IQ thing. You haven't visited many top tier law schools lately.
Perhaps the greedy, "shyster" image has some factual, albeit shaky, foundation, but lawyers
usually aren't short in the IQ department.

You make a weak and ultimately flawed argument. It wouldn't stand up for a minute in court in front
of a good lawyer.

Shaun aRe