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  1. reuters.co.uknewsPackageArticle.jhtml 780&section=news U.S.
    dieters critical of Atkins approach Thu 20 November, 2003 19:57

    By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Jody Gorran was proud of his 32-inch (81 cm) waistline -- until a heart scan
    showed an artery had become almost entirely blocked during the two years he was on the Atkins diet.

    Lisa Huskey was happy about being on a diet with her 16-year-old daughter, Rachel, until Rachel
    dropped dead from a heart arrhythmia in class.

    Both say the high-fat, high-protein approach advocated by the Atkins diet was responsible.

    "What I contend is that the Atkins diet gave me heart disease," Gorran said at a news conference
    sponsored by the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine. "I traded a 32-inch waist for
    heart disease."

    The Atkins diet has sparked both admiration and debate with its radical approach based on the theory
    that carbohydrates make people fat.

    It calls for a stringent break-in period designed to induce a metabolic change called ketosis.
    Dieters are advised to shun carbohydrates in favour of fats and meat.

    The body, overloading on fat and protein, theoretically breaks down fat cells for energy and sheds
    pounds of water as it struggles to get rid of toxic breakdown products.

    Studies have shown the diet -- like many diets -- can help people lose weight.

    But many doctors and the American Heart Association have repeatedly warned that the Atkins approach
    could be dangerous because it is too high in fat and protein and too low in fibre and vitamins.

    "Anyone who has even been on this diet can tell you they spend the first few days in the bathroom,
    urinating," said Dr. Paul Robinson, director of adolescent medicine at the University of Missouri
    hospital, where Rachel Huskey was taken.

    The body is shedding water to clear out the breakdown products from fat in the diet, Robinson
    said at the news conference. The danger comes because the process pulls calcium and potassium
    from the blood.

    HEART RHYTHM AFFECTED

    Robinson said Rachel's calcium and potassium levels were abnormally low. "These are very important
    electrolytes in regulating heartbeat," he said.

    "Adolescents, particularly, should not go on this diet, until there is more research," added
    Robinson, who published a paper in the Southern Medical Journal about the case.

    Lisa Huskey tearfully recounted how she and her daughter went on the diet together, happy that it
    allowed them to eat all the meat they wanted. "It sounds like it is too good to be true, this
    diet," she said.

    Dr. Richard Fleming, a cardiologist who has studied high-fat diets, attacked the premise that
    carbohydrates make people any fatter than any other food.

    "Obesity is nothing more than the overconsumption of calories and it doesn't matter whether those
    calories are carbohydrates, fat or protein," Fleming said.

    Fleming said the high fat content of the Atkins diet could worsen heart disease not only through
    raised cholesterol but by inflaming the arteries.

    Gorran said when he started the diet, his total cholesterol level was a very low 148. In May 2001 it
    had gone up to 230. Anything above 200 is considered unhealthy.

    A scan of his arteries before he started the diet had shown no evidence of heart disease.

    "Two and a half years later, after being on the Atkins diet for that length of time, I had heart
    disease," the 53-year-old Florida businessman said.

    A new scan showed one artery was 90 percent blocked.

    Three weeks ago, Gorran had an angioplasty -- a procedure to clear his clogged artery. A mesh tube
    called a stent was inserted to keep his artery clear.

    "I felt, overall, that I had been betrayed," he said.

    Atkins Nutritionals, Inc. says its diet is safe.

    --
    E.

    --------------------------------------
    A Bright is a person who has a naturalistic world-view. A Bright's world-view is free of
    supernatural and mystical elements. The ethics and actions of a Bright are based on a naturalistic
    worldview. the-brights.nethere we stand.htm

  2. Mark D. said:

    It calls for a stringent break-in period designed to induce a metabolic change called ketosis.
    Dieters are advised to shun carbohydrates in favour of fats and meat.

    Amazingly there is NO mention of the veggies that we must eat, or the supplements that need to be
    taken, or the amounts of water that we are stressed to drink

    they are so full of [censored] their eyes are brown!

    --
    Kranky Kitty =^..^=
    168/156.8/130ish - Nov Goal 155 September 17, 2003 Calorie Requirements -
    homepage.mac.comFileSharing7.html

  3. "Mark D." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    reuters.co.uknewsPackageArticle.jhtml 780&section=news U.S.
    dieters critical of Atkins approach Thu 20 November, 2003 19:57

    By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Jody Gorran was proud of his 32-inch (81 cm) waistline -- until a heart
    scan showed an artery had become almost entirely blocked during the two years he was on the
    Atkins diet.

    Lisa Huskey was happy about being on a diet with her 16-year-old daughter, Rachel, until Rachel
    dropped dead from a heart arrhythmia in class.

    Both say the high-fat, high-protein approach advocated by the Atkins diet was responsible.

    "What I contend is that the Atkins diet gave me heart disease," Gorran said at a news conference
    sponsored by the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine. "I traded a 32-inch waist for
    heart disease."

    Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine:

    consumerfreedom.comorg detail.cfm

    The group is not made up of physicians, more than 95% of their members are not physicians. They do
    not advocate responsible medicine.

    They are an animal rights group that advocate an extreme vegan diet. Their tactics have been extreme
    in its lack of any scientific basis and complete avoidance of any scientific verification. They have
    been known, in the past, to have individuals (such as this fellow Gorran) go public with lies and
    inuendo to discredit other people or concepts.

    What is hard to understand is how such a group of fringe nutcases can get so much news coverage and
    be made to look as is they have even an iota of crdibility.

    TC

  4. As I have been telling people...while some benefits arise from the Atkins diet such as lowering ones
    cholesterol and losing an average of 25 pounds, the long - term effects can be far WORSE.

    The best route to go is on a VERY LOW FAT diet of 20-25g per day, increase your FIBER intake to 30g
    day and cut back on the junk carbs such as sodas, fruit juices, cakes, etc. It's important to do
    all 3 above.

    It's OKAY to eat complex carbs people. Just stay away from the simple carbs or at least CUT back.

    Fortunately we do not hear more bad news for those on the Atkins diet. One reason is because most
    people aren't truely following it to the bone and those that do follow it come off the diet as fast
    as they went on it due to the side effects and lack of foods they can eat.

    Trent

    -- Look and Feel Great! FREE weight loss and anti-aging group. Join now @
    groups.yahoo.comweightloss health

    Quoted message said:

    From: "Mark D." <[email hidden]> Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Reply-To:
    "Mark D." <[email hidden]> Newsgroups:
    sci.med.nutrition,alt.diet.support.low-carb,alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003
    21:08:30 -0000 Subject: latest anti-Atkins stuff...

    reuters.co.uknewsPackageArticle.jhtml 780&section=news U.S.
    dieters critical of Atkins approach Thu 20 November, 2003 19:57

    By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Jody Gorran was proud of his 32-inch (81 cm) waistline -- until a heart
    scan showed an artery had become almost entirely blocked during the two years he was on the
    Atkins diet.

    Lisa Huskey was happy about being on a diet with her 16-year-old daughter, Rachel, until Rachel
    dropped dead from a heart arrhythmia in class.

    Both say the high-fat, high-protein approach advocated by the Atkins diet was responsible.

    "What I contend is that the Atkins diet gave me heart disease," Gorran said at a news conference
    sponsored by the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine. "I traded a 32-inch waist for
    heart disease."

    The Atkins diet has sparked both admiration and debate with its radical approach based on the
    theory that carbohydrates make people fat.

    It calls for a stringent break-in period designed to induce a metabolic change called ketosis.
    Dieters are advised to shun carbohydrates in favour of fats and meat.

    The body, overloading on fat and protein, theoretically breaks down fat cells for energy and sheds
    pounds of water as it struggles to get rid of toxic breakdown products.

    Studies have shown the diet -- like many diets -- can help people lose weight.

    But many doctors and the American Heart Association have repeatedly warned that the Atkins
    approach could be dangerous because it is too high in fat and protein and too low in fibre and
    vitamins.

    "Anyone who has even been on this diet can tell you they spend the first few days in the bathroom,
    urinating," said Dr. Paul Robinson, director of adolescent medicine at the University of Missouri
    hospital, where Rachel Huskey was taken.

    The body is shedding water to clear out the breakdown products from fat in the diet, Robinson
    said at the news conference. The danger comes because the process pulls calcium and potassium
    from the blood.

    HEART RHYTHM AFFECTED

    Robinson said Rachel's calcium and potassium levels were abnormally low. "These are very important
    electrolytes in regulating heartbeat," he said.

    "Adolescents, particularly, should not go on this diet, until there is more research," added
    Robinson, who published a paper in the Southern Medical Journal about the case.

    Lisa Huskey tearfully recounted how she and her daughter went on the diet together, happy that it
    allowed them to eat all the meat they wanted. "It sounds like it is too good to be true, this
    diet," she said.

    Dr. Richard Fleming, a cardiologist who has studied high-fat diets, attacked the premise that
    carbohydrates make people any fatter than any other food.

    "Obesity is nothing more than the overconsumption of calories and it doesn't matter whether those
    calories are carbohydrates, fat or protein," Fleming said.

    Fleming said the high fat content of the Atkins diet could worsen heart disease not only through
    raised cholesterol but by inflaming the arteries.

    Gorran said when he started the diet, his total cholesterol level was a very low 148. In May 2001
    it had gone up to 230. Anything above 200 is considered unhealthy.

    A scan of his arteries before he started the diet had shown no evidence of heart disease.

    "Two and a half years later, after being on the Atkins diet for that length of time, I had heart
    disease," the 53-year-old Florida businessman said.

    A new scan showed one artery was 90 percent blocked.

    Three weeks ago, Gorran had an angioplasty -- a procedure to clear his clogged artery. A mesh tube
    called a stent was inserted to keep his artery clear.

    "I felt, overall, that I had been betrayed," he said.

    Atkins Nutritionals, Inc. says its diet is safe.

    --
    M.

    --------------------------------------
    A Bright is a person who has a naturalistic world-view. A Bright's world-view is free of
    supernatural and mystical elements. The ethics and actions of a Bright are based on a naturalistic
    worldview. the-brights.nethere we stand.htm

  5. "Mark D." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    reuters.co.uknewsPackageArticle.jhtml 780&section=news U.S.
    dieters critical of Atkins approach Thu 20 November, 2003 19:57

    By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Jody Gorran was proud of his 32-inch (81 cm) waistline -- until a heart
    scan showed an artery had become almost entirely blocked during the two years he was on the
    Atkins diet.

    Lisa Huskey was happy about being on a diet with her 16-year-old daughter, Rachel, until Rachel
    dropped dead from a heart arrhythmia in class.

    Both say the high-fat, high-protein approach advocated by the Atkins diet was responsible.

    "What I contend is that the Atkins diet gave me heart disease," Gorran said at a news conference
    sponsored by the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine. "I traded a 32-inch waist for
    heart disease."

    a rebuttal to the PCRM press garbage:

    lowcarbiz.comnd112503.htm

    TC

  6. Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:33:01 -0800 in article <[email hidden]> Trent Duke

    Quoted message said:


    The best route to go is on a VERY LOW FAT diet of 20-25g per day, increase your FIBER intake to 30g
    day and cut back on the junk carbs such as sodas, fruit juices, cakes, etc. It's important to do
    all 3 above.


    As for very low fat diet, I don't think so, see

    Concepts and Controversies on Diet: Stop Recommending Low-Fat Diets! Walter C Willett, MD, DrPH
    Kaiser Permanente Permanente Journal, September 2003
    countcarbs.comstoprecommendinglowfat.htm

    Just in case you haven't heard of Dr. Willett, see what's behind these urls:

    <http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/facres/wlltt.html> <http://www.channing.harvard.edu/willett.htm> <http-
    ://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=PureSearch&db=PubMed&details_term=%22Willett%20WC%22%-
    5BAUTH%5D> ( tinyurl.comvuy9 )

  7. Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:33:01 -0800 in article <[email hidden]> Trent Duke

    Quoted message said:


    Fortunately we do not hear more bad news for those on the Atkins diet. One reason is because most
    people aren't truely following it to the bone and those that do follow it come off the diet as fast
    as they went on it due to the side effects and lack of foods they can eat.


    Let's see what Dr. Willett says about Atkins Diet in his article

    Concepts and Controversies on Diet: Stop Recommending Low-Fat Diets! Walter C Willett, MD, DrPH
    Kaiser Permanente Permanente Journal, September 2003
    countcarbs.comstoprecommendinglowfat.htm :

    "The Atkins Diet

    Many are troubled by this diet because it usually contains the recommendation to eat all the red
    meat and butter and cheese you want. But a handful of studies have been published recently
    indicating that people on that type of diet are able to lose more weight and control their
    weight better than people on a low-fat diet, a finding which adds important evidence that a
    low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet makes it difficult for many people to control their weight.
    Weight reduction, if somebody is overweight, is so important and so beneficial that reducing
    weight can counter the adverse effects of eating large amounts of saturated fat in the diet.

    Thus, it's important to pay attention to these studies and to learn from them, even though I
    wouldn't recommend long-term high intake of animal fat to anybody. If it's true (and it probably
    is true) that substantially decreasing carbohydrate intake can make it easier to control total
    calories, you can have a very-low-carbohydrate diet and have it be a healthful diet at the same
    time if--instead of red meat and butter--you consume salmon, nuts, olive oil, and plenty of
    salad. That combination is a good diet that's low in carbohydrates and may be useful for many
    people. For most people, a Mediterranean-type diet such as I've suggested, which includes modest
    amounts of whole-grain forms of carbohydrate, will probably be most acceptable and beneficial in
    the long run. But more long-term studies of the effects of various diets on weight control are
    clearly needed."

  8. In article said:

    As I have been telling people...while some benefits arise from the Atkins diet such as lowering
    ones cholesterol and losing an average of 25 pounds, the long - term effects can be far WORSE.

    The best route to go is on a VERY LOW FAT diet of 20-25g per day, increase your FIBER intake to
    30g day and cut back on the junk carbs such as sodas, fruit juices, cakes, etc. It's important to
    do all 3 above.

    It's OKAY to eat complex carbs people. Just stay away from the simple carbs or at least CUT back.

    Fortunately we do not hear more bad news for those on the Atkins diet. One reason is because most
    people aren't truely following it to the bone and those that do follow it come off the diet as
    fast as they went on it due to the side effects and lack of foods they can eat.

    Trent

    Trent, your village called. They need their idiot back.

    I promise you I eat a more balanced diet than 90% of the people on so-called "balanced diets." There
    is nothing in a potato that I need to survive that I can't get somewhere else.

    Please provide one documented negative "long-term effect" in a wide sampling of people that arises
    from low-carb eating.

    "Bueller.....Bueller......?" I thought so.

    --
    Wayne Crannell Atkins+ 10/27/01 Maintenance 10/1/02
    250/138

  9. Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:53:57 +0200 in article <[email hidden]> Matti Narkia

    Quoted message said:

    Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:33:01 -0800 in article <[email hidden]> Trent Duke

    Quoted message said:


    The best route to go is on a VERY LOW FAT diet of 20-25g per day, increase your FIBER intake to
    30g day and cut back on the junk carbs such as sodas, fruit juices, cakes, etc. It's important to
    do all 3 above.


    As for very low fat diet, I don't think so, see

    Concepts and Controversies on Diet: Stop Recommending Low-Fat Diets! Walter C Willett, MD, DrPH
    Kaiser Permanente Permanente Journal, September 2003
    countcarbs.comstoprecommendinglowfat.htm


    See also

    Fats and Cholesterol - The Good, The Bad, and The Healthy Diet. Harvard School of Public Health
    Nutrition Source. hsph.harvard.edufats.html

    An excerpt:

    "Eat a low-fat, low-cholesterol diet." Most of us have heard this simple recommendation so
    often over the past two decades that we can recite it in our sleep. Touted as a way to lose
    weight and prevent cancer and heart disease, it's no wonder much of the nation--and food
    producers--hopped on board.

    Unfortunately, this simple message now seems largely out of date. Detailed
    research--particularly that done at Harvard-- shows that the total amount of fat in the diet,
    whether high or low, has no real link with disease. Rather, what really matters is the type of
    fat in the diet. There are bad fats that increase the risk for certain diseases and good fats
    that lower the risk. The key is to substitute good fats for bad fats."

  10. what Wayne said...

    Wayne Crannell said:
    In article said:

    As I have been telling people...while some benefits arise from the Atkins diet such as lowering
    ones cholesterol and losing an average of 25 pounds, the long - term effects can be far WORSE.

    The best route to go is on a VERY LOW FAT diet of 20-25g per day, increase your FIBER intake to
    30g day and cut back on the junk carbs such as sodas, fruit juices, cakes, etc. It's important to
    do all 3 above.

    It's OKAY to eat complex carbs people. Just stay away from the simple carbs or at least CUT back.

    Fortunately we do not hear more bad news for those on the Atkins diet. One reason is because most
    people aren't truely following it to the bone and those that do follow it come off the diet as
    fast as they went on it due to the side effects and lack of foods they can eat.

    Trent

    Trent, your village called. They need their idiot back.

    I promise you I eat a more balanced diet than 90% of the people on so-called "balanced diets."
    There is nothing in a potato that I need to survive that I can't get somewhere else.

    Please provide one documented negative "long-term effect" in a wide sampling of people that arises
    from low-carb eating.

    "Bueller.....Bueller......?" I thought so.

  11. Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:02:02 +0200 in article <[email hidden]> Matti Narkia

    Quoted message said:

    Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:53:57 +0200 in article <[email hidden]> Matti

    Narkia said:

    Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:33:01 -0800 in article <[email hidden]> Trent Duke

    Quoted message said:


    The best route to go is on a VERY LOW FAT diet of 20-25g per day, increase your FIBER intake to
    30g day and cut back on the junk carbs such as sodas, fruit juices, cakes, etc. It's important to
    do all 3 above.


    As for very low fat diet, I don't think so, see

    Concepts and Controversies on Diet: Stop Recommending Low-Fat Diets! Walter C Willett, MD, DrPH
    Kaiser Permanente Permanente Journal, September 2003
    countcarbs.comstoprecommendinglowfat.htm


    See also

    Fats and Cholesterol - The Good, The Bad, and The Healthy Diet. Harvard School of Public Health
    Nutrition Source. hsph.harvard.edufats.html

    An excerpt:

    "Eat a low-fat, low-cholesterol diet." Most of us have heard this simple recommendation so
    often over the past two decades that we can recite it in our sleep. Touted as a way to lose
    weight and prevent cancer and heart disease, it's no wonder much of the nation--and food
    producers--hopped on board.

    Unfortunately, this simple message now seems largely out of date. Detailed
    research--particularly that done at Harvard-- shows that the total amount of fat in the diet,
    whether high or low, has no real link with disease. Rather, what really matters is the type of
    fat in the diet. There are bad fats that increase the risk for certain diseases and good fats
    that lower the risk. The key is to substitute good fats for bad fats."

    Also from the Harvard web site:

    Carbohydrates. Harvard School of Public Health Nutrition Source.
    hsph.harvard.educarbohydrates.html

    "For years, you've probably heard the advice to cut back on the total amount of fat you eat and
    to consume more complex carbohydrates. And thousands of "low-fat" alternatives now crowd the
    supermarket shelves. But is simply cutting back on fat and loading up on carbohydrates a healthy
    way to eat or to lose weight? Current research suggests that it isn't. Just as researchers
    learned that not all types of fat are bad, they're also discovering that not all types of
    carbohydrates are good.

    It's easy to fall into the "low-fat trap." Because fat, gram- for-gram, has more than twice as
    many calories as either protein or carbohydrates, it seems logical that choosing low- fat
    products would help with weight loss. However, all too often the low-fat products on supermarket
    shelves are packed with sugar to make up for the taste that's lost when fat is removed.

    While people think that a low-fat alternative will hasten weight loss, it often has just as many
    calories as the full- fat version--and may even have more. In addition, many people mistakenly
    think that because a food is low in fat, they can eat as much of it as they want without gaining
    weight. But as far as the body is concerned, one calorie is the same as another, no matter where
    they came from. Eat too many calories (whether from fat, carbohydrates, or protein), and you'll
    gain weight.

    Aside from weight loss, the popularity of low-fat food has broader implications for health. Many
    people are increasing the amount of carbohydrates in their diets, particularly in the form of
    sugars, and as we know from the discussion of the glycemic index, doing so may lead to increases
    in heart disease and diabetes.

    For example, in a study of 80,000 nurses, Harvard researchers calculated that replacing a given
    number of calories from polyunsaturated fat with an equivalent number from carbohydrates
    increased the risk for heart disease by over 50 percent. And other studies have found that a
    low-fat, high- carbohydrate diet, particularly one high in sugars, can worsen blood cholesterol
    and triglycerides levels, both of which are risk factors for heart disease.

    "Eat a low-fat diet," long the mantra of health and diet experts, has lost many adherents in
    recent years. Current research suggests that rather than focus on total fat intake, a healthier
    strategy is, first, to replace the "bad" fats (saturated and trans fats) with "good" fats
    (polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats) and, second, to eat more whole grains high in dietary
    fiber. For weight loss, the best approach is to square the amount of food you eat with the
    number of calories you burn in a day. One of the best ways to lose weight or maintain a healthy
    weight is to exercise regularly."

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