Lateral thinking applied to road design

"Membrane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Two articles on a method that challenges conventional thinking about
road design:

http://www.fastandsafe.org.nz/Pages/Media/EndofTrafficLights.htm
http://www.fastandsafe.org.nz/Pages/Media/Monderman.htm

Traffic always seems to manage when the lights break every now and then and
pedestrians were managing to cross the road here when another set broke.

If you ask a traffic engineer though they'll usually disagree and point out
how vital they are...
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naked_draughtsman said the following on 14/05/2007 13:23:

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Traffic always seems to manage when the lights break every now and then and
pedestrians were managing to cross the road here when another set broke.

I have a set near me that keeps breaking down - this is a T-junction
with ped crossing. When they do break down, the traffic flows much
better and it's quicker for peds to cross because there are gaps in the
traffic. When the lights work, there are no gaps because of the number
of cars jumping red lights. Oh no, it's only cyclists that do that :-)

Which reminds me to contact the council about a new sensor-controlled
crossing, that doesn't have sensors covering where people stand to press
the button...

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naked_draughtsman said:

If you ask a traffic engineer though they'll usually disagree and point out
how vital they are...

Yes, for the backhanders they get from people like Siemens-Plessey

Membrane said:

Two articles on a method that challenges conventional thinking about
road design:

http://www.fastandsafe.org.nz/Pages/Media/EndofTrafficLights.htm
http://www.fastandsafe.org.nz/Pages/Media/Monderman.htm

What wonderful ideas. Let's hope they catch on quickly over here. ;-)

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Matt B

Membrane said:

Two articles on a method that challenges conventional thinking about
road design:

http://www.fastandsafe.org.nz/Pages/Media/EndofTrafficLights.htm
http://www.fastandsafe.org.nz/Pages/Media/Monderman.htm

Any relation to...
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/
?

BugBear

Matt B 'matt.bourke'@nospam.london.com said:

Membrane said:

Two articles on a method that challenges conventional thinking about
road design:

Quoted message said:

http://www.fastandsafe.org.nz/Pages/Media/EndofTrafficLights.htm
http://www.fastandsafe.org.nz/Pages/Media/Monderman.htm

What wonderful ideas. Let's hope they catch on quickly over here. ;-)

THe white line removal has been tried here:

http://archive.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/2003/2/6/165171.html

don't know if it they are still doing it. Note the reference to a
similar experiment in Norfolk where if IRC they removed the white
lines, traffic slowed down and everybody felt safer. Then they got
worried about what would happen if they got sued, so they put them
back so that they could prove they had acted responsibly. And of
course the traffic speeded up again...

rob

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('bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim') said:

Membrane said:

Two articles on a method that challenges conventional thinking about
road design:

http://www.fastandsafe.org.nz/Pages/Media/EndofTrafficLights.htm
http://www.fastandsafe.org.nz/Pages/Media/Monderman.htm

Any relation to...
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/
?

Apparently not. However, in checking that out it's amusing to note that
safespeed.org.uk's DNS is provided by speedingbits.com. No, honestly.
Check for yourself.

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