....If I were Ullrich I would go all out in the Col de la Schlucht and try to break the mould of the past 6 years, i.e. disrupt the Bruynel/Armstrong grinder.
Sounds crazy ? It's pretty obvious that he won't beat Armstrong in the hgh mountains, at best he will keep up, a bit like Hinault knew he couldn't keep up in 1985 so he crushed everyone in the 2nd Cat Pas de Morgins, just mashing it up and trapping everyone up in the process.
If he wins, he can catch his breath tomorrow and see what happens next, if he fails, he'll know he wasn't up to it and then Vino can battle it up in the high mountains, with little hope though.
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...If I were Ullrich I would go all out in the Col de la Schlucht and try to break the mould of the past 6 years, i.e. disrupt the Bruynel/Armstrong grinder.
Sounds crazy ? It's pretty obvious that he won't beat Armstrong in the hgh mountains, at best he will keep up, a bit like Hinault knew he couldn't keep up in 1985 so he crushed everyone in the 2nd Cat Pas de Morgins, just mashing it up and trapping everyone up in the process.
If he wins, he can catch his breath tomorrow and see what happens next, if he fails, he'll know he wasn't up to it and then Vino can battle it up in the high mountains, with little hope though.
Easier said than done. You need to get on your bike more.
Sounds crazy ? It's pretty obvious that he won't beat Armstrong in the hgh mountains, at best he will keep up, a bit like Hinault knew he couldn't keep up in 1985 so he crushed everyone in the 2nd Cat Pas de Morgins, just mashing it up and trapping everyone up in the process.
If he wins, he can catch his breath tomorrow and see what happens next, if he fails, he'll know he wasn't up to it and then Vino can battle it up in the high mountains, with little hope though.
Easier said than done. You need to get on your bike more.
I was waiting for that one, well smart ass, I'm probably the only here who can claim to have climbed the Col de la Schlucht in person and several times too ! Regardless, my comment did not need that. If you're not interested in discussing it just lay off the keys.
...If I were Ullrich I would go all out in the Col de la Schlucht and try to break the mould of the past 6 years, i.e. disrupt the Bruynel/Armstrong grinder.
Sounds crazy ? It's pretty obvious that he won't beat Armstrong in the hgh mountains, at best he will keep up, a bit like Hinault knew he couldn't keep up in 1985 so he crushed everyone in the 2nd Cat Pas de Morgins, just mashing it up and trapping everyone up in the process.
If he wins, he can catch his breath tomorrow and see what happens next, if he fails, he'll know he wasn't up to it and then Vino can battle it up in the high mountains, with little hope though.
I love the sentiment but I'm not positive that Ullrich is up to dropping Armstrong.
And "catch his breat tomorrow" is asking a lot. Have you seen the stage?
...If I were Ullrich I would go all out in the Col de la Schlucht and try to break the mould of the past 6 years, i.e. disrupt the Bruynel/Armstrong grinder.
Sounds crazy ? It's pretty obvious that he won't beat Armstrong in the hgh mountains, at best he will keep up, a bit like Hinault knew he couldn't keep up in 1985 so he crushed everyone in the 2nd Cat Pas de Morgins, just mashing it up and trapping everyone up in the process.
If he wins, he can catch his breath tomorrow and see what happens next, if he fails, he'll know he wasn't up to it and then Vino can battle it up in the high mountains, with little hope though.
I love the sentiment but I'm not positive that Ullrich is up to dropping Armstrong.
And "catch his breat tomorrow" is asking a lot. Have you seen the stage?
Yup, too bad he didn't counter when Armstrong caught up with Vino...Kloden did it...when is Ullrich going to "wake up"...
...If I were Ullrich I would go all out in the Col de la Schlucht and try to break the mould of the past 6 years, i.e. disrupt the Bruynel/Armstrong grinder.
Sounds crazy ? It's pretty obvious that he won't beat Armstrong in the hgh mountains, at best he will keep up, a bit like Hinault knew he couldn't keep up in 1985 so he crushed everyone in the 2nd Cat Pas de Morgins, just mashing it up and trapping everyone up in the process.
If he wins, he can catch his breath tomorrow and see what happens next, if he fails, he'll know he wasn't up to it and then Vino can battle it up in the high mountains, with little hope though.
I love the sentiment but I'm not positive that Ullrich is up to dropping Armstrong.
And "catch his breat tomorrow" is asking a lot. Have you seen the stage?
Yup, too bad he didn't counter when Armstrong caught up with Vino...Kloden did it...when is Ullrich going to "wake up"...
It was strategy, dummy. Doesn't make sense for Ullrich to attack this early. It might be wrong, but Ullrich should still be the biggest threat to LA, and the best TTer T-Mobile has. And yes, I didn't forget the first stage.
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Sounds crazy ? It's pretty obvious that he won't beat Armstrong in the hgh mountains, at best he will keep up, a bit like Hinault knew he couldn't keep up in 1985 so he crushed everyone in the 2nd Cat Pas de Morgins, just mashing it up and trapping everyone up in the process.
If he wins, he can catch his breath tomorrow and see what happens next, if he fails, he'll know he wasn't up to it and then Vino can battle it up in the high mountains, with little hope though.
Easier said than done. You need to get on your bike more.
I was waiting for that one, well smart ass, I'm probably the only here who can claim to have climbed the Col de la Schlucht in person and several times too ! Regardless, my comment did not need that. If you're not interested in discussing it just lay off the keys.
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Congratulations on your accomplishment, but I stand by my comment ( easier said than done).
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> Sounds crazy ? It's pretty obvious that he won't beat Armstrong in the > hgh mountains, at best he will keep up, a bit like Hinault knew he > couldn't keep up in 1985 so he crushed everyone in the 2nd Cat Pas de > Morgins, just mashing it up and trapping everyone up in the process. > > If he wins, he can catch his breath tomorrow and see what happens > next, if he fails, he'll know he wasn't up to it and then Vino can > battle it up in the high mountains, with little hope though.
Easier said than done. You need to get on your bike more.
I was waiting for that one, well smart ass, I'm probably the only here who can claim to have climbed the Col de la Schlucht in person and several times too ! Regardless, my comment did not need that. If you're not interested in discussing it just lay off the keys.
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Congratulations on your accomplishment, but I stand by my comment ( easier said than done).
Laz, you ignorant Schlucht. The way you become a pro bike racer is by better at riding up high mountains than pontificating about them. Your "easier said than done" claim is meaningless: nobody cares if it's easier for anyone to say, everyone (here) cares if it's possible for Jan.
But if you want to reassert the truth of an uninteresting statement, well, this is Usenet! Low barriers of entry! Killfiles for everyone!
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Vino...Kloden did it...when is Ullrich going to "wake up"...
It was strategy, dummy. Doesn't make sense for Ullrich to attack this early. It might be wrong, but Ullrich should still be the biggest threat to LA, and the best TTer T-Mobile has. And yes, I didn't forget the first stage.
If Ullrich is the threat then who cares if Kloden gains a minute?
But as it stands they DO care. That's why Ullrich has to sit back, whether he really wants to or not.
Vino...Kloden did it...when is Ullrich going to "wake up"...
It was strategy, dummy. Doesn't make sense for Ullrich to attack this early. It might be wrong, but Ullrich should still be the biggest threat to LA, and the best TTer T-Mobile has. And yes, I didn't forget the first stage.
If Ullrich is the threat then who cares if Kloden gains a minute?
But as it stands they DO care. That's why Ullrich has to sit back, whether he really wants to or not.
Looks like a tribe with 3 chiefs to me.
It's not black and white. And it's not about how the consensus is in RBR how shot or brilliant Ullrich is, it's about how DSC and T-Mobile assess the situation. My impression from yesterday's stage is that Armstrong saw his rivals in the following order: Ullrich, Vino, Klöden. Whereby the first two might be very near together and Kloeden with some distance. Yesterday might have elevated Klöden's threat a little bit. T-Mobile might see it the same way. Additionally, Klöden and Vino might just be better suited for these kinds of attacks - while Ullrichs attack might be "slowly" dropping Lance after/if he is shot from following the other two. And Ullrich might even be able to gain time in the TT, or at least not loose much, while the others would need a minute or two advance in front of Lance. So, yes, it's a tribe with 3 chiefs, but maybe chiefs for different situations.
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>Vino...Kloden did it...when is Ullrich going to "wake up"... >
It was strategy, dummy. Doesn't make sense for Ullrich to attack this early. It might be wrong, but Ullrich should still be the biggest threat to LA, and the best TTer T-Mobile has. And yes, I didn't forget the first stage.
If Ullrich is the threat then who cares if Kloden gains a minute?
But as it stands they DO care. That's why Ullrich has to sit back, whether he really wants to or not.
Looks like a tribe with 3 chiefs to me.
It's not black and white. And it's not about how the consensus is in RBR how shot or brilliant Ullrich is, it's about how DSC and T-Mobile assess the situation. My impression from yesterday's stage is that Armstrong saw his rivals in the following order: Ullrich, Vino, Klöden. Whereby the first two might be very near together and Kloeden with some distance. Yesterday might have elevated Klöden's threat a little bit. T-Mobile might see it the same way. Additionally, Klöden and Vino might just be better suited for these kinds of attacks - while Ullrichs attack might be "slowly" dropping Lance after/if he is shot from following the other two. And Ullrich might even be able to gain time in the TT, or at least not loose much, while the others would need a minute or two advance in front of Lance. So, yes, it's a tribe with 3 chiefs, but maybe chiefs for different situations.
I don't think Kloden was all that super yesterday. Armstrong was unlucky in not being able to find allies yesterday. You'd think that with a break of 31 riders, someone would be willing to do the work to bring in Klodi and Weening. At one point, Kloden and Weening's lead was down to 8 seconds. It looked like they were about to be swallowed up. But no one in the group wanted to close the gap. It should have been Iles Baleares who had Valverde, but Karpets and Mancebo didn't want to do it. Too bad McGee didn't have a teammate with him since he also had a good shot at a sprint finish (like the stage he won in the TdS). Rabobank had Boogerd who wasn't worried about his GC placing and who isn't a lightweigth climber type, but he had Weening in front of him, so he wasn't going to do anything.
I don't think Kloden was all that super yesterday. Armstrong was unlucky in not being able to find allies yesterday. You'd think that with a break of 31 riders, someone would be willing to do the work to bring in Klodi and Weening. At one point, Kloden and Weening's lead was down to 8 seconds. It looked like they were about to be swallowed up. But no one in the group wanted to close the gap. It should have been Iles Baleares who had Valverde, but Karpets and Mancebo didn't want to do it. Too bad McGee didn't have a teammate with him since he also had a good shot at a sprint finish (like the stage he won in the TdS). Rabobank had Boogerd who wasn't worried about his GC placing and who isn't a lightweigth climber type, but he had Weening in front of him, so he wasn't going to do anything.
Yes, I wouldn't base a judgement of Klöden on his performance yesterday. But based on how he ranked last year combined with his place in the GC now he cannot be ignored by DSC if he goes away. That might change after the first _real_ mountain, though.
Rabobank had Boogerd who wasn't worried about his GC placing and who isn't a lightweigth climber type, but he had Weening in front of him, so he wasn't going to do anything.
Actually both Boogerd and Menchov were always in the front part of the group, trying to react to every jump and thereby hindering the chase.
