Landis response to direct question

What is creepy about honesty?

THe question is similar to asking a politician whether he's tried
marijuana.

The politician will say "no" even if he's tried it, because the public
wrongly assumes trying is the same as being a drug addict.

Landis may have build up his muscles with testosterone (to counteract
the cortisone shots--apparently the two drugs are used together
sometimes) years ago, when he fell, but not during the race (when it
would have made no difference to the outcome of the race even if he
took testosterone, experts say)

RL

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From cyclingnews.com:

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Asked whether he had ever taken any performance enhancing substances,
Landis replied, "I'll say no. The problem I have here again is that
most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way things
have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing that a lot of people
will assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself, but
there you have it."
---

What exactly does "I'll say no" mean? If clean/innocent, most people
would answer with an emphatic "no" or "hell no". He then changes the
subject to what people's assumptions are which is another matter
entirely. This creeps me out and makes me think he's dirty. Hope not.

-Doug

On 28 Jul 2006 14:21:53 -0700, "raylopez99" <[email hidden]>

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What is creepy about honesty?

THe question is similar to asking a politician whether he's tried
marijuana.

The politician will say "no" even if he's tried it, because the public
wrongly assumes trying is the same as being a drug addict.

Landis may have build up his muscles with testosterone (to counteract
the cortisone shots--apparently the two drugs are used together
sometimes) years ago, when he fell, but not during the race (when it
would have made no difference to the outcome of the race even if he
took testosterone, experts say)

So he's a doper, and you think it's ok, great, game over.

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From cyclingnews.com:

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Asked whether he had ever taken any performance enhancing substances,
Landis replied, "I'll say no. The problem I have here again is that
most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way things
have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing that a lot of people
will assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself, but
there you have it."
---

What exactly does "I'll say no" mean? If clean/innocent, most people
would answer with an emphatic "no" or "hell no". He then changes the
subject to what people's assumptions are which is another matter
entirely. This creeps me out and makes me think he's dirty. Hope not.

-Doug

Pennsylvania Dutch dialect.

Keith said:

On 28 Jul 2006 14:21:53 -0700, "raylopez99" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

What is creepy about honesty?

THe question is similar to asking a politician whether he's tried
marijuana.

The politician will say "no" even if he's tried it, because the public
wrongly assumes trying is the same as being a drug addict.

Landis may have build up his muscles with testosterone (to counteract
the cortisone shots--apparently the two drugs are used together
sometimes) years ago, when he fell, but not during the race (when it
would have made no difference to the outcome of the race even if he
took testosterone, experts say)

So he's a doper, and you think it's ok, great, game over.

Maybe honesty... As in coffee is a performance enhancing substance,
food is too, air...

Besides, do you really want to know the true answer to whether any pro
rider has never taken a performance enhancing substance?

I'd say yes.

I take lots of performance enhancing substances. Like food and water.

It sounds like Floyd is trying to be as honest as he can be. The
question was phrased very poorly. If you want a good answer, ask a
good question.

Floyd has responded "Absolutely not" to a similar question on other
occasions. He probably gets tired of answering the same question 1000
times/day, and naturally throws in a little variation here and there.

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From cyclingnews.com:

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Asked whether he had ever taken any performance enhancing substances,
Landis replied, "I'll say no. The problem I have here again is that
most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way things
have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing that a lot of people
will assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself, but
there you have it."
---

What exactly does "I'll say no" mean? If clean/innocent, most people
would answer with an emphatic "no" or "hell no". He then changes the
subject to what people's assumptions are which is another matter
entirely. This creeps me out and makes me think he's dirty. Hope not.

-Doug

In article <[email hidden]>,

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From cyclingnews.com:

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Asked whether he had ever taken any performance enhancing substances,
Landis replied, "I'll say no. The problem I have here again is that
most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way things
have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing that a lot of people
will assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself, but
there you have it."
---

What exactly does "I'll say no" mean? If clean/innocent, most people
would answer with an emphatic "no" or "hell no". He then changes the
subject to what people's assumptions are which is another matter
entirely. This creeps me out and makes me think he's dirty. Hope not.

Upon hearing this (an mp3 of Floyd's conference-call interview is
posted at velonews.com) that was my sentiment as well. Just a straight
'NO' would've been more convincing; didn't Tyler at least manage that?

Luke

Philo said:

I'd say yes.

I take lots of performance enhancing substances. Like food and water.

It sounds like Floyd is trying to be as honest as he can be. The
question was phrased very poorly. If you want a good answer, ask a
good question.

Floyd has responded "Absolutely not" to a similar question on other
occasions. He probably gets tired of answering the same question 1000
times/day, and naturally throws in a little variation here and there.

I dunno how many, if any, riders in the pro peloton have never taken
any illegal performancing enhancing substances, but if FL happened to
be 100% clean, now would be a good time to say just that, even if the
question was phrased poorly.

I'm not saying he's guilty or not, just trying to interpret "I'll say
no".

[email hidden] wrote:
::: From cyclingnews.com:
:: ---
:: Asked whether he had ever taken any performance enhancing substances,
:: Landis replied, "I'll say no. The problem I have here again is that
:: most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way
:: things have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing that a lot of
:: people will assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend
:: myself, but there you have it."
:: ---
::
:: What exactly does "I'll say no" mean?

Because just because he may have taken something once in the past doesn't
mean that he's doing it now.

What does the question have to do with the situation now?

If clean/innocent, most people
:: would answer with an emphatic "no" or "hell no". He then changes the
:: subject to what people's assumptions are which is another matter
:: entirely. This creeps me out and makes me think he's dirty. Hope
:: not.
::
:: -Doug

Luke wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>,
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
:::: From cyclingnews.com:
::: ---
::: Asked whether he had ever taken any performance enhancing
::: substances, Landis replied, "I'll say no. The problem I have here
::: again is that most of the public has an idea about cycling because
::: of the way things have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing
::: that a lot of people will assume I'm guilty before I've had a
::: chance to defend myself, but there you have it."
::: ---
:::
::: What exactly does "I'll say no" mean? If clean/innocent, most
::: people would answer with an emphatic "no" or "hell no". He then
::: changes the subject to what people's assumptions are which is
::: another matter entirely. This creeps me out and makes me think
::: he's dirty. Hope not.
:::
::
:: Upon hearing this (an mp3 of Floyd's conference-call interview is
:: posted at velonews.com) that was my sentiment as well. Just a
:: straight 'NO' would've been more convincing; didn't Tyler at least
:: manage that?

People can tell bold-faced lies. I'd rather he be honest with that answer
(because, in all likeihood, he has taken something at some point in his
life) and put in as best he can in proper context than tell a bold-face lie.
Ask an off-topic question, expect an off-topic answer.

quote=''Philo said:

I'd say yes.

I take lots of performance enhancing substances. Like food and water.

It sounds like Floyd is trying to be as honest as he can be. The
question was phrased very poorly. If you want a good answer, ask a
good question.

Floyd has responded "Absolutely not" to a similar question on other
occasions. He probably gets tired of answering the same question 1000
times/day, and naturally throws in a little variation here and there.

I dunno how many, if any, riders in the pro peloton have never taken
any illegal performancing enhancing substances, but if FL happened to
be 100% clean, now would be a good time to say just that, even if the
question was phrased poorly.

I'm not saying he's guilty or not, just trying to interpret "I'll say
no".[/QUOTE]
This may be Pennsylvania Dutch dialect as Lafferty pointed out... I thought his mom said something similar when asked a Yes or No question.

I think the guy is pretty nervous about this whole ordeal and is not a great communicator. If "I'll say no" sounds bad, his lawyers will advise.... Unless they are Pennsylvania Dutch.

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Quoted message said:

From cyclingnews.com:

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Asked whether he had ever taken any performance enhancing substances,
Landis replied, "I'll say no. The problem I have here again is that
most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way things
have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing that a lot of people
will assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself, but
there you have it."
---

What exactly does "I'll say no" mean? If clean/innocent, most people
would answer with an emphatic "no" or "hell no". He then changes the
subject to what people's assumptions are which is another matter
entirely. This creeps me out and makes me think he's dirty. Hope not.

Perhaps once in his life he smoked pot, or took ephedrine when he had a
cough. In that case the correct answer to the question if he ever had taken
performance enhancing substances, should be yes, but since he took them for
other purposes, "I'll say no" is defensible as well. But I agree, he should
have responded with the same hypocrisy as so many other sportsmen. He should
have followed the lead of Richard Virenque, who declared on French TV with
tears in his eyes that he never had used doping or soccer player Maradona
who, just before he went into a detoxification program, sweared on the heads
of his children he had never used drugs.

Benjo

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Landis may have build up his muscles with testosterone (to counteract
the cortisone shots--apparently the two drugs are used together
sometimes) years ago, when he fell, but not during the race (when it
would have made no difference to the outcome of the race even if he
took testosterone, experts say)

So he's a doper, and you think it's ok, great, game over.

Maybe honesty... As in coffee is a performance enhancing substance,
food is too, air...

Besides, do you really want to know the true answer to whether any pro
rider has never taken a performance enhancing substance?

What's your point ? Does that make it ok for Landis to cheat and the
get caught ?

What is a performance-enhancing substance? Does the caffeine in 13
espressos count? How about if he simultaneously took some aspirin and/or
ephedrine? How about if he used creatine like countless of you here?
Pyruvex? Or any of the [censored] that can be purchased from Performance, or
Hammer Nutrition, or EAS or GNC, etc.? The question was vague and
overly-broad, and he would have been destroyed by the media if he had quite
properly answered the question with the question that begins this post.

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From cyclingnews.com:

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Asked whether he had ever taken any performance enhancing substances,
Landis replied, "I'll say no. The problem I have here again is that
most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way things
have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing that a lot of people
will assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself, but
there you have it."
---

What exactly does "I'll say no" mean? If clean/innocent, most people
would answer with an emphatic "no" or "hell no". He then changes the
subject to what people's assumptions are which is another matter
entirely. This creeps me out and makes me think he's dirty. Hope not.

-Doug

Keith said:

So he's a doper, and you think it's ok, great, game over.

Speaking only for myself, I think he's a man vying for great rewards in
an arena where cheating is very poorly policed. I don't pretend to know
what he did or didn't do, but that is the "game", as I see it.

Until there are perfect tests that catch every athlete who uses any
amount of any sort of "doping", the game will remain the same.

IOW, [censored] Pound is no "Right Arm of God". "Huckster, harming Sport" is
more like it.

I hope Floyd prevails. I don't know if he's a "doper" or not. Right
now, he's a scapegoat, convicted in the media even before the B sample
findings, or any other recourse that might be available.
--D-y

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From cyclingnews.com:

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Asked whether he had ever taken any performance enhancing substances,
Landis replied, "I'll say no. The problem I have here again is that
most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way things
have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing that a lot of people
will assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself, but
there you have it."
---

What exactly does "I'll say no" mean? If clean/innocent, most people
would answer with an emphatic "no" or "hell no". He then changes the
subject to what people's assumptions are which is another matter
entirely. This creeps me out and makes me think he's dirty. Hope not.

-Doug

Pennsylvania Dutch dialect.

Are your eyes brown?

--
Deutschland Snippy
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain;
as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
--Albert Einstein

B. Lafferty said:

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From cyclingnews.com:

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Asked whether he had ever taken any performance enhancing substances,
Landis replied, "I'll say no. The problem I have here again is that
most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way things
have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing that a lot of people
will assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself, but
there you have it."
---

What exactly does "I'll say no" mean? If clean/innocent, most people
would answer with an emphatic "no" or "hell no". He then changes the
subject to what people's assumptions are which is another matter
entirely. This creeps me out and makes me think he's dirty. Hope not.

-Doug

Pennsylvania Dutch dialect.

I agree that "I'll say no" is Penn Dutch dialect, but I would go
further. His position is akin to that of a pacifist (Menonite)
being confronted by a bully. I think he was trained in childhood to
tell the bully he will take the beating, but he will not change his
mind. Thus "So I'll say no, knowing that a lot of people
will assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself, but
there you have it."

He is a better person than many of his accusers.

pearl1 said:

I dunno how many, if any, riders in the pro peloton have never taken
any illegal performancing enhancing substances

The question wasn't whether he had taken illegal substances.

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(') said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

'Asked whether he had ever taken any performance enhancing substances,
Landis replied, "I'll say no. The problem I have here again is that
most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way things
have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing that a lot of people
will assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself, but
there you have it."'

What exactly does "I'll say no" mean? If clean/innocent, most people
would answer with an emphatic "no" or "hell no". He then changes the
subject to what people's assumptions are which is another matter
entirely. This creeps me out and makes me think he's dirty. Hope
not.

Upon hearing this (an mp3 of Floyd's conference-call interview is
posted at velonews.com) that was my sentiment as well. Just a straight
'NO' would've been more convincing; didn't Tyler at least manage that?

Frankly the careful, thoughtful answer sounds more honest to me. Anyone
can say simply 'no' or 'hell, no'. Every liar does. But these things are
not simple; anyone who has ever drunk a cup of coffee would be lying.
I /want/ to believe Landis, and that answer makes it a bit easier for
me.

--
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'graveyards are full of indispensable people'

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| >From cyclingnews.com:
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| Asked whether he had ever taken any performance enhancing substances,
| Landis replied, "I'll say no. The problem I have here again is that
| most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way things
| have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing that a lot of people
| will assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself, but
| there you have it."
| ---
|
| What exactly does "I'll say no" mean? If clean/innocent, most people
| would answer with an emphatic "no" or "hell no". He then changes the
| subject to what people's assumptions are which is another matter
| entirely. This creeps me out and makes me think he's dirty. Hope not.
|
| -Doug
|

In an NPR interview, he was asked why he gave this response. He said it was
a mistake. He was trying to acknowledge that people would believe him or not
regardless of his answer. He said he should have just answered the question
a categorical no. And in fact he then said he has never doped.