LANDIS! Lying?

Quoted message said:

Could be.

But I don't know why people bemoan the obvious regarding Tour de France
winners, and the other participants.

Come on, folks. Common sense tells us that bikers CAN NOT EVEN COMPETE
in this event unless they're fueled by illegal, but largely
undetectable, enhancement drugs! ALL OF 'EM! And sometimes, like
Floyd, they get caught.

And please don't insist that Lance Armstrong "won the right way,"
unless you also mean the wrong way!

Now, for the umpteenth time, "for all you youngsters out there," with
so many multi-millions of endorsement and appearance $ DOLLARS $ at
stake, do you think ANY rational biker would even consider ENTERING a
big event like the TDF without FIRST carefully choosing to ingest the
best possible menu of performance-enhancing drugs?

And do you think ONE guy--Armstrong--could win SEVEN straight
TDFs--against fierce world-class competition--without the assistance of
drugs?

And do you even fully believe Lance's cancer survival stories? Like
overcoming BRAIN cancer? Like, you don't buy the notion that, just
maybe, some public relations-cum- sports agent didn't dream at least
some of this up to boost publicity and recognition?
What a STORY, right? Don't cry because you bought it hook, line and
sinker. After all, you're not alone!

IF you're STILL in denial, relax. And enjoy future Tours de France,
safe in the knowledge that all those buff young men are on illegal
chemicals, and thus the field is, after all, truly COMPETITIVE.

Maybe we'll call it the Tour de Drug, or Tour de Hormone, or Tour de
Alchemie, oui?

This is from a sports article on clarionledger.com :

Landis' team has history of scandal
The Associated Press

GENEVA - In a sport beset by doping scandals, Floyd Landis' cycling
team stands out.

Several riders for the Swiss-based Phonak team have been involved in
drug cases, including American Tyler Hamilton, winner of the time-trial
gold medal at the 2004 Athens Olympics.

The International Cycling Union, the sport's governing body, refused to
issue Phonak a racing license for 2005 because of the team's doping
record. Three Phonak riders - Hamilton, Oscar Camenzind and Santi Perez
- were all found guilty of doping violations in 2004 and fired.

The team was only allowed to race after appealing to the Court of
Arbitration for Sport, which ruled last year that Phonak should have a
two-year license.

Andy Rihs - owner of Swiss hearing aid firm Phonak, which sponsors the
team - hired new management for the team in 2005. Phonak has now
decided to pull its sponsorship, citing continuing doping issues in
cycling.

Please don't feed the trolls.

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Quoted message said:

Could be.

But I don't know why people bemoan the obvious regarding Tour de France
winners, and the other participants.

Come on, folks. Common sense tells us that bikers CAN NOT EVEN COMPETE
in this event unless they're fueled by illegal, but largely
undetectable, enhancement drugs! ALL OF 'EM! And sometimes, like
Floyd, they get caught.

And please don't insist that Lance Armstrong "won the right way,"
unless you also mean the wrong way!

Now, for the umpteenth time, "for all you youngsters out there," with
so many multi-millions of endorsement and appearance $ DOLLARS $ at
stake, do you think ANY rational biker would even consider ENTERING a
big event like the TDF without FIRST carefully choosing to ingest the
best possible menu of performance-enhancing drugs?

And do you think ONE guy--Armstrong--could win SEVEN straight
TDFs--against fierce world-class competition--without the assistance of
drugs?

And do you even fully believe Lance's cancer survival stories? Like
overcoming BRAIN cancer? Like, you don't buy the notion that, just
maybe, some public relations-cum- sports agent didn't dream at least
some of this up to boost publicity and recognition?
What a STORY, right? Don't cry because you bought it hook, line and
sinker. After all, you're not alone!

IF you're STILL in denial, relax. And enjoy future Tours de France,
safe in the knowledge that all those buff young men are on illegal
chemicals, and thus the field is, after all, truly COMPETITIVE.

Maybe we'll call it the Tour de Drug, or Tour de Hormone, or Tour de
Alchemie, oui?

Like most conspiracy theories, there is a major flaw. There would be a
huge supply chain for all these performance products and someone would
have taken the easy money to tell the story to a major tabloid.

Yeah they're all on drugs.

People are now playing the genetics card to
reason it's why Lance was so good. Sure it's
true that genetics play a part, but all the people
that compete at the tour level are genetically
rare. It's not like the they're chumps and freds.

So of course any tiny advantage is going to be
sought after and taken advantage of. It's human
nature. And drugs definitely give someone who's
already genetically gifted and trains like mad an
edge, it's undisputable.

So the name of the game now is avoiding detection,
and I'm certain there are many ways this can
be done.

My two bits.

Eric

Quoted message said:

Yeah they're all on drugs.

People are now playing the genetics card to
reason it's why Lance was so good. Sure it's
true that genetics play a part, but all the people
that compete at the tour level are genetically
rare. It's not like the they're chumps and freds.

So of course any tiny advantage is going to be
sought after and taken advantage of. It's human
nature. And drugs definitely give someone who's
already genetically gifted and trains like mad an
edge, it's undisputable.

So the name of the game now is avoiding detection,
and I'm certain there are many ways this can
be done.

My two bits.

Eric

Sure Lance had a genetic card up his sleeve, but he also had a very good
team leader to make the strategy for him. If Lance had been assigned as
a Domestique for one of the other guys then one of them might have won.
Strategy played a big part too. It isn't just muscle out there, it is
brains and planning too.
Bill Baka

Bill Baka said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah they're all on drugs.

People are now playing the genetics card to
reason it's why Lance was so good. Sure it's
true that genetics play a part, but all the people
that compete at the tour level are genetically
rare. It's not like the they're chumps and freds.

So of course any tiny advantage is going to be
sought after and taken advantage of. It's human
nature. And drugs definitely give someone who's
already genetically gifted and trains like mad an
edge, it's undisputable.

So the name of the game now is avoiding detection,
and I'm certain there are many ways this can
be done.

My two bits.

Eric

Sure Lance had a genetic card up his sleeve, but he also had a very good
team leader to make the strategy for him. If Lance had been assigned as
a Domestique for one of the other guys then one of them might have won.
Strategy played a big part too. It isn't just muscle out there, it is
brains and planning too.

What strategy?

Lou
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Lou Holtman said:

Quoted message said:

Sure Lance had a genetic card up his sleeve, but he also had a very good
team leader to make the strategy for him. If Lance had been assigned as
a Domestique for one of the other guys then one of them might have won.
Strategy played a big part too. It isn't just muscle out there, it is
brains and planning too.

What strategy?

well, like seriously taking part only in one race a year: the tour de
france.
even his participation in the dauphine libere was for the sole purpose
of riding, in race conditions, over the same roads than the tour will
take. the dauphine takes place a month before the tour. ultimate
preparation.
have you ever seen him doing anything or taking part in any other major
events: giro d'italia, vuelta a espagna, etc...?
lance, despite all the greatness you may recognize him as a cyclist, has
been a one race rider: le tour.
so, as much as it hurts to recognize, i think baka is right on this one.
kind of... maybe... sort of... (just kidding baka, don't jump to your
keyboard).

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Quoted message said:

Bill Baka said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah they're all on drugs.

People are now playing the genetics card to
reason it's why Lance was so good. Sure it's
true that genetics play a part, but all the people
that compete at the tour level are genetically
rare. It's not like the they're chumps and freds.

So of course any tiny advantage is going to be
sought after and taken advantage of. It's human
nature. And drugs definitely give someone who's
already genetically gifted and trains like mad an
edge, it's undisputable.

So the name of the game now is avoiding detection,
and I'm certain there are many ways this can
be done.

My two bits.

Eric

Sure Lance had a genetic card up his sleeve, but he also had a very good
team leader to make the strategy for him. If Lance had been assigned as
a Domestique for one of the other guys then one of them might have won.
Strategy played a big part too. It isn't just muscle out there, it is
brains and planning too.

What strategy?

Lance did a great job of playing guys off of one another. His last, he'd go on a
break with Basso one day and with Ullrich and Kloden the next. Net result they'd
fight for second and Armstrong gets the win.

Ron

Quoted message said:

Could be.

But I don't know why people bemoan the obvious regarding Tour de France
winners, and the other participants.

Come on, folks. Common sense tells us that bikers CAN NOT EVEN COMPETE
in this event unless they're fueled by illegal, but largely
undetectable, enhancement drugs! ALL OF 'EM! And sometimes, like
Floyd, they get caught.

And please don't insist that Lance Armstrong "won the right way,"
unless you also mean the wrong way!

Now, for the umpteenth time, "for all you youngsters out there," with
so many multi-millions of endorsement and appearance $ DOLLARS $ at
stake, do you think ANY rational biker would even consider ENTERING a
big event like the TDF without FIRST carefully choosing to ingest the
best possible menu of performance-enhancing drugs?

And do you think ONE guy--Armstrong--could win SEVEN straight
TDFs--against fierce world-class competition--without the assistance of
drugs?

And do you even fully believe Lance's cancer survival stories? Like
overcoming BRAIN cancer? Like, you don't buy the notion that, just
maybe, some public relations-cum- sports agent didn't dream at least
some of this up to boost publicity and recognition?
What a STORY, right? Don't cry because you bought it hook, line and
sinker. After all, you're not alone!

IF you're STILL in denial, relax. And enjoy future Tours de France,
safe in the knowledge that all those buff young men are on illegal
chemicals, and thus the field is, after all, truly COMPETITIVE.

Maybe we'll call it the Tour de Drug, or Tour de Hormone, or Tour de
Alchemie, oui?

Well, I don't know about Armstrong or Landis vis a vis the doping
scandals but I'm fairly certain that if a recreational rider could get
their hands on the dope you're obviously taking, they could pedal to
the moon on a rusty Huffy.

Get well soon.

PS Lay off the CAPS, it makes you read like a troll . . . . .oh,
nevermind.

D2 said:

Well, I don't know about Armstrong or Landis vis a vis the doping
scandals but I'm fairly certain that if a recreational rider could get
their hands on the dope you're obviously taking, they could pedal to
the moon on a rusty Huffy.

Get well soon.

PS Lay off the CAPS, it makes you read like a troll . . . . .oh,
nevermind.

It has been brought to attention medically that heavy dopers, weight
lifters in particular, set themselves up for all kinds of problems later
in life, like early heart attacks, strokes, and things that you would
normally expect to happen to much older people.
Is winning worth 10 or more years off your lifetime?
Bill Baka

Bill Baka said:

D2 said:

Well, I don't know about Armstrong or Landis vis a vis the doping
scandals but I'm fairly certain that if a recreational rider could get
their hands on the dope you're obviously taking, they could pedal to
the moon on a rusty Huffy.

Get well soon.

PS Lay off the CAPS, it makes you read like a troll . . . . .oh,
nevermind.

It has been brought to attention medically that heavy dopers, weight
lifters in particular, set themselves up for all kinds of problems later
in life, like early heart attacks, strokes, and things that you would
normally expect to happen to much older people.
Is winning worth 10 or more years off your lifetime?

A lot of competitive cyclists are set up to have health problems right now. Guys
like Rasmussen and Hamilton are simply not healthy.

Frankly I'd consider being a doped GC man like basso or ullrich to be healthier
than being an impaired immune system, low bone density skeletal climber.

Ron

RonSonic said:

Bill Baka said:

D2 said:

Well, I don't know about Armstrong or Landis vis a vis the doping
scandals but I'm fairly certain that if a recreational rider could get
their hands on the dope you're obviously taking, they could pedal to
the moon on a rusty Huffy.

Get well soon.

PS Lay off the CAPS, it makes you read like a troll . . . . .oh,
nevermind.

It has been brought to attention medically that heavy dopers, weight
lifters in particular, set themselves up for all kinds of problems later
in life, like early heart attacks, strokes, and things that you would
normally expect to happen to much older people.
Is winning worth 10 or more years off your lifetime?

A lot of competitive cyclists are set up to have health problems right now. Guys
like Rasmussen and Hamilton are simply not healthy.

Frankly I'd consider being a doped GC man like basso or ullrich to be healthier
than being an impaired immune system, low bone density skeletal climber.

Ron

I don't even like to take Aspirin, although my doctor recommended it
after my Cholesterol came in at 201. Who is he kidding? 201 is high?
Bill Baka

Bill Baka said:

It has been brought to attention medically that heavy dopers, weight
lifters in particular, set themselves up for all kinds of problems later
in life, like early heart attacks, strokes, and things that you would
normally expect to happen to much older people.
Is winning worth 10 or more years off your lifetime?

Working 16-hour days, not eating well, and not exercising, which might
fairly be said to be the *real* (remember paradigms?) of the working
world-- what's so freaking healthy about that?

It wasn't too long ago that the 65 year old mandatory retirement age
saved employers a lot of money.

Damn Boomers. Slacked and survived... --D-y

Quoted message said:

Bill Baka said:

It has been brought to attention medically that heavy dopers, weight
lifters in particular, set themselves up for all kinds of problems later
in life, like early heart attacks, strokes, and things that you would
normally expect to happen to much older people.
Is winning worth 10 or more years off your lifetime?

Working 16-hour days, not eating well, and not exercising, which might
fairly be said to be the *real* (remember paradigms?) of the working
world-- what's so freaking healthy about that?

It wasn't too long ago that the 65 year old mandatory retirement age
saved employers a lot of money.

Damn Boomers. Slacked and survived... --D-y

Did ya see that Floyd was reported to have artificial Testasterone in
him??

CYA Floyd!!

Quoted message said:

And do you even fully believe Lance's cancer survival stories? Like
overcoming BRAIN cancer?

Firstly, it was testicular, not brain, cancer.

Of course, that is the part of the body that most men seem to think
with, so maybe that's a moot point.

Secondly, this wasn't faked. Only a whacko conspiracy theorist would
think that dozens of medical personnel would risk their licenses, the
reputation of the hospitals for which they work, and their professional
reputations by lying about a high-profile medical case. Or that such a
deception could possibly be carried of - for YEARS - without somebody
spilling it all to the public.

Sojourner

Sojourner said:

Firstly, it was testicular, not brain, cancer.

Of course, that is the part of the body that most men seem to think
with, so maybe that's a moot point.

Nyuk nyuk. Good 'un.

Testicular cancer, brain lesions (cancer), lungs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong

Lance has talked about the lack of research into metastasis IRT the
LAF. --D-y

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

Did ya see that Floyd was reported to have artificial Testasterone in
him??

CYA Floyd!!

Easier to charge sabotage and/or contamination?

PS: "Testasterone" -- hormone produced by driving a really fast Italian
car?

:-P

Sojourner said:

Quoted message said:

And do you even fully believe Lance's cancer survival stories? Like
overcoming BRAIN cancer?

Firstly, it was testicular, not brain, cancer.

It spread throughout his body, including brain, lungs and lymph nodes IIRC.