Landis, continued

Sandy said:

They can't get a capable translator !

F-E or E-F? For what, for which testimony, for whose benefit do you
mean?

--
E. Dronkert

Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a
déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Sandy said:

They can't get a capable translator !

F-E or E-F? For what, for which testimony, for whose benefit do you
mean?

Neither F-E nor E-F. But doing it both ways is tiring and difficult. My
sympathies lie with the translator(s) so burdened.

For the benefit of the panel - they are the only ones needing to benefit.

It's a bear to listen to, even ignoring the language gaps. It is just a
bunch of intermittent Q&A.

The parties rely, one presumes, on the written submissions, anyway. The
testimony is a decoration, and it would be more helpful (to all, especially
weary observers), if they just hit on the key points of dispute. It's about
10 times quicker to finish a murder trial.

But every lawyer has a style, and a book of business to deal with.
Should Landis prevail, I hope he is granted costs and expenses.
Should this go to TAS, it will take a miracle for Landis to find arbitrators
friendly to his position, I fear. Remember, if it goes there, WADA can
basically mandate a /de novo/ hearing, and we'll live with this another
year.

Sandy said:

They can't get a capable translator !
In all of California, no one can do this ?
Really not too difficult as testimony.

I am amazed they can concentrate, but after all, it's the submissions that
will support a decision by the panel.

So long as USADA attorneys make this a lab course, and so long as Landis'
attorneys keep focused on legal and procedural issues, it is reasonably
possible for there to be no finding of a violation.

But............
Long road ahead.

A yellow tie at an arbitration meeting. Didn't Landis ever read Power
Dressing for Success? He should have gone with a trustworthy blue, or
an authoritative red.

I'm wondering what's up with the arbitration panel. Christopher
Campbell, Patrice Brunet and Richard McLaren...? This is amerikay,
dad-blammit! With names like that, it's obviously some Franco-Hooked-
On-Phonics conspiracy.

I'm glad to see that Landis' team represents a more balanced team.
Howard Jacobs and Maurice Suh. Can't get much more American than
that!*

R

* Well, actually it could, but Hector Rodriguez was left off due to
possible Puerto connections being raised.

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
RicodJour <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Sandy said:

They can't get a capable translator !
In all of California, no one can do this ?
Really not too difficult as testimony.

I am amazed they can concentrate, but after all, it's the
submissions that will support a decision by the panel.

So long as USADA attorneys make this a lab course, and so long as
Landis' attorneys keep focused on legal and procedural issues, it is
reasonably possible for there to be no finding of a violation.

But............
Long road ahead.

A yellow tie at an arbitration meeting. Didn't Landis ever read Power
Dressing for Success? He should have gone with a trustworthy blue, or
an authoritative red.

Yellow tie - yellow jersey. He's already nostalgic.

Sandy said:

They can't get a capable translator !
In all of California, no one can do this ?
Really not too difficult as testimony.

I am amazed they can concentrate, but after all, it's the submissions that
will support a decision by the panel.

So long as USADA attorneys make this a lab course, and so long as Landis'
attorneys keep focused on legal and procedural issues, it is reasonably
possible for there to be no finding of a violation.

But............
Long road ahead.
--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

From:

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=reu-landisdc&prov=reuters&type=lgns

"Former Tour de France champions Greg LeMond and Eddy Merckx are
expected to be called as witnesses later during the hearing being held
at Pepperdine University.

Three-times winner LeMond is scheduled to testify against fellow
American Landis while Belgian Merckx, who won the Tour five times
between 1969 and 1974, is set to testify in Landis's favor."

LeMond will testify that he is the only American to win the TdF
clean. So, he's better than Lance or Flandis.

Not sure what Eddy will say.
--
Marty

Marty said:

From:

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=reu-landisdc&prov=reuters&type=lgns

"Former Tour de France champions Greg LeMond and Eddy Merckx are
expected to be called as witnesses later during the hearing being held
at Pepperdine University.

Three-times winner LeMond is scheduled to testify against fellow
American Landis while Belgian Merckx, who won the Tour five times
between 1969 and 1974, is set to testify in Landis's favor."

WTF! Neither of these guys is relevant to the case.

Bob Schwartz

Marty said:

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=reu-landisdc&prov=reuters&type=lgns

"Former Tour de France champions Greg LeMond and Eddy Merckx are
expected to be called as witnesses later during the hearing being held
at Pepperdine University.

Three-times winner LeMond is scheduled to testify against fellow
American Landis while Belgian Merckx, who won the Tour five times
between 1969 and 1974, is set to testify in Landis's favor."

LeMond will testify that he is the only American to win the TdF
clean. So, he's better than Lance or Flandis.

Not sure what Eddy will say.

Something along the lines of, "You silly, pig-dog, I fart in your
general direction." Then he'll challenge Lemond to an impromptu race
on the bikes they both just happened to bring along to prove who is
the Cannibal and who is the Oscar Meyer lunchmeat. The newly trim
Merckx will then kick the [censored] out of LeBlob and prove
conclusively...well, I'm not sure what it will prove, but it'll be fun
to watch Greg get all teary-eyed and defensive before getting his ass
beat. I'd guess he might opt for the I'm-riding-with-diarrhea
defense.

I don't understand why they're bringing in people without _specific_
knowledge of whether he doped or not during the stage in question.
Everything else is window dressing.

R

RicodJour said:

A yellow tie at an arbitration meeting. Didn't Landis ever read Power
Dressing for Success?

If you use your tie in lieu of a hankerchief a yellow one is good as a
camouflage, particularly if you have a upper respiratory tract infection.

Sandy said:

They can't get a capable translator !
In all of California, no one can do this ?
Really not too difficult as testimony.

Why don't they just use babelfish or the google equivalent. I'm sure that
would increase the entertainment value by several points.

Marty said:

LeMond will testify that he is the only American to win the TdF
clean. So, he's better than Lance or Flandis.

Not sure what Eddy will say.

Anything he wants to - even atheists believe in Eddy Merckx. Its not
an issue of whether they believe him; its whether he believes them...

If Eddy waves his hand, I'm for dismissing the entire lot.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Curtis L. Russell said:

Marty said:

LeMond will testify that he is the only American to win the TdF
clean. So, he's better than Lance or Flandis.

Quoted message said:

Not sure what Eddy will say.

Anything he wants to - even atheists believe in Eddy Merckx. Its not
an issue of whether they believe him; its whether he believes them...

Eddy is there to say that on Stage 17, Floyd didn't put in a super-
human performance possible only through the use of performance
enhancing drugs, but that Perreiro, Kloden, Sastre and their
respective DS's were morons.

Marty said:

Not sure what Eddy will say.

I am god and, by decree, flandis is free.

On 16-May-2007, smacked up and reeling, RicodJour <[email hidden]>
blindly formulated
the following incoherence:

Quoted message said:

Something along the lines of, "You silly, pig-dog, I fart in your
general direction." Then he'll challenge Lemond to an impromptu race
on the bikes they both just happened to bring along to prove who is
the Cannibal and who is the Oscar Meyer lunchmeat. The newly trim
Merckx will then kick the [censored] out of LeBlob and prove
conclusively...well, I'm not sure what it will prove, but it'll be fun
to watch Greg get all teary-eyed and defensive before getting his ass
beat. I'd guess he might opt for the I'm-riding-with-diarrhea
defense.

No, no. He'll accuse Eddy of doping.

From the sidelines this hearing sure is good theater. And it's only just
started (unless it was over first..lets hope not).

I cant imagine why WADA and USADA think it would be better for cycling to
railroad Landis. Isnt the best result if he is found not to be a doper?

And while we're at it, the whole testing protocol needs a fixup. I suggest
two A and two B samples (independent numbering systems) A/B pairs sent to
two different labs. Only if both labs agree on A by clear and objective
standards (and they wont know they agree until the guy with all the numbers
and names says so) will they then call A positive. Then the B samples will
be tested at both labs ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHERS randomly selected, so no
lab will know which samples represent the positive A. Agreement required
again.

Of course, that assumes the tests work to begin with. But it would end
conspiracy charges, anyway...and cost about twice as much. Still cheaper
than long court battles and reams of disillusioned fans.

steve
--
"The accused will now make a bogus statement."
James Joyce

in message <[email hidden]>, Bob Schwartz

(') said:

Marty said:

From:

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=reu-landisdc&prov=reuters&type=lgns

"Former Tour de France champions Greg LeMond and Eddy Merckx are
expected to be called as witnesses later during the hearing being held
at Pepperdine University.

Three-times winner LeMond is scheduled to testify against fellow
American Landis while Belgian Merckx, who won the Tour five times
between 1969 and 1974, is set to testify in Landis's favor."

WTF! Neither of these guys is relevant to the case.

So what? Are you saying they shouldn't have called Mack the Finger or the
Monkey Man?

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; killing [afghan|iraqi] civilians is not 'justice'

"Sandy" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

They can't get a capable translator !
In all of California, no one can do this ?
Really not too difficult as testimony.

In short no one expected the french lab employers to be "French speaking".
😉

This French are so strange that they call "cheval" what we all know to be a
"horse"...

Quoted message said:

I am amazed they can concentrate, but after all, it's the submissions that
will support a decision by the panel.

So long as USADA attorneys make this a lab course, and so long as Landis'
attorneys keep focused on legal and procedural issues, it is reasonably
possible for there to be no finding of a violation.

But............
Long road ahead.
--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

Bob Schwartz said:

Quoted message said:

WTF! Neither of these guys is relevant to the case.

Simon Brooke said:

So what? Are you saying they shouldn't have called Mack the Finger or the
Monkey Man?

Next they'll be calling a gorilla.

Montesquiou said:

"Sandy" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

They can't get a capable translator !
In all of California, no one can do this ?
Really not too difficult as testimony.

In short no one expected the french lab employers to be "French speaking".
😉

Picture a scenario in which almost every single aspect is French. After
almost a full year of preparation call a two week court case to discuss.
Upon the first syllable dropped in French stop the entire process for 2
hours in an effort to handle this incredible unexpected development.
Throw in the balance of a professional career and possible health of an
entire sport as the outcome. Yow.

What is 'beyond words' to be able to describe the mess with the translator.
- French is the official language of France, one would expect people
from France to be speaking French
- French is the official language of the UCI, and while the USADA is not
the UCI, the 2 do know each other very well.
- French is one of the official languages of Canada
- why Canada this important in all of this?
- [censored] Pound is Canadian and he is on record as saying that he
does not care if innocent people are wrongly convicted
- 2 of the 3 judges in Landis's trial are Canadian

Canadian: [censored] Pound
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61120-2004Aug12.html
Canadian: Judges
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/columns/story?id=2865881

I would say this means the people in charge of the trial could have properly
handled language translation issues in advance, but instead they chose to
screw up.

"WeaselPoopPower" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Montesquiou said:

"Sandy" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

They can't get a capable translator !
In all of California, no one can do this ?
Really not too difficult as testimony.

In short no one expected the french lab employers to be "French speaking".
😉

Picture a scenario in which almost every single aspect is French. After
almost a full year of preparation call a two week court case to discuss.
Upon the first syllable dropped in French stop the entire process for 2
hours in an effort to handle this incredible unexpected development.
Throw in the balance of a professional career and possible health of an
entire sport as the outcome. Yow.

In article
<[email hidden]>,

RicodJour said:

Marty said:

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=reu-landisdc&prov=reuters&type=lgns

"Former Tour de France champions Greg LeMond and Eddy Merckx are
expected to be called as witnesses later during the hearing being held
at Pepperdine University.

Three-times winner LeMond is scheduled to testify against fellow
American Landis while Belgian Merckx, who won the Tour five times
between 1969 and 1974, is set to testify in Landis's favor."

LeMond will testify that he is the only American to win the TdF
clean. So, he's better than Lance or Flandis.

Not sure what Eddy will say.

Something along the lines of, "You silly, pig-dog, I fart in your
general direction." Then he'll challenge Lemond to an impromptu race
on the bikes they both just happened to bring along to prove who is
the Cannibal and who is the Oscar Meyer lunchmeat. The newly trim
Merckx will then kick the [censored] out of LeBlob and prove
conclusively...well, I'm not sure what it will prove, but it'll be fun
to watch Greg get all teary-eyed and defensive before getting his ass
beat. I'd guess he might opt for the I'm-riding-with-diarrhea
defense.

I don't understand why they're bringing in people without _specific_
knowledge of whether he doped or not during the stage in question.
Everything else is window dressing.

Reminds me of when they brought in Miss America
to testify against Fielding Mellish.

--
Michael Press